Tell ATS Why You WILL Vote For Obama! Convince Us!

Originally posted by Wolf321

Originally posted by consigliere
The lessor of two evils,,,if applicable of course(disclaimer

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edit on 25-5-2011 by consigliere because: (no reason given)

That is the reason I voted for McCain in 2008. I now know that it doesn't matter who I vote for, whomever is supposed to win will win. So for 2012, I will vote for whoever actually best represents my values, despite however a long shot they may be.

I doesn't really matter anyway.

I fear this is too true. I know the polls said Obama won, but I can't help wondering if it was all rigged. Especially with the reports of votes changing in full view of voters.

/TOA

For me it's not about Obama. In any election we have very limited choice Republican, Democrat, or a useless vote. I don't expect the country to change over night. But, a successful politician (by successful I mean one who gets elected) will move the debate in their direction and encourage similar people and people more extreme in the same ideological direction. That may, over time, change the country.

For me it's about the general direction of the country. From the things the Republicans have been calling for they seem to want to move us to more corporate control or toward Fascism. That seems insane to me. I can't think of any former boss who I would want in control of the direction of society. Sure there may be good at making money but there is more to life. Especially since most of the money ends up in their pocket.

I would prefer someone more Liberal/Progressive but if my choice is Obama I will vote for him over any Republicans I see out there now.

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With regards to the 2008 election, I think Obama won fair and square, at least numerically. I think that TPTB choose their man ahead of time and market him well. Obama was a sales job. He was in NO way qualified to be in the position to even be a viable candidate for POTUS, let alone win it. They just put a shell of a candidate to oppose him with McCain. As e-voting machines become the norm, as may be in 2012, they may be able to rig the numbers easier, which would be cheaper than marketing. Either way, freedom is F**ked.

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Thanks for the reply & clarification.
Like you, i did think he "sounded" like "hopenchange" but i realize he's bush II(III).
And, perhaps like you, with Diebold controlling the elections, I'm skeptical as ti is.

Again, thanks for the reply. I'm a new member, but long time lurker, as the chiche' goes.
So thanks for the acknowledgement. Very civil compared to most of what I've witnessed over the years of lurking.

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Im giving Obama a chance to pull our troops out of ALL the wars we are in,If he does this before the election,he might get my vote.(might)

The American people he no say in who is president. Voting these days is a JOKE! Obama will be president 2012. No doubt about it!

I'll tell you I'm NOT voting for the socialist, how about that?
He's a one shot wonder

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I am voting for Barry Soetoro aka Renegade so I can get my RFID chip.

Just joking. Voting means nothing. Presidents are selected not elected.

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For one, in my opinion, all of the right now bows to the Tea Party. They are too extreme and they focus on the dumbest things rather than the real problems we face. Ron Paul is an exception and a straight shooter in my opinion. Unfortunately for him he is not a popular choice amongst his party.

I voted Obama the first time for change. But most of his policies continued on the path of Bush. He may have a D in front of his name but most of his policies were revamped Republican ones. For instance Healthcare, plus they cut out the best part in the single payer option, The surge in Afghanistan etc. Guantanamo Bay still being open. He makes concessions too the right all the time and rarely makes a stand. Everybody getting a tax cut Id rather nobody got one at all.

That being said there is no man nor woman besides Ron Paul that I feel will change the direction we are headed. I listen to a lot of his speeches and interviews and I respect him. I don't agree with all his views but he has my respect. The other candidates just don't get it. They go after useless things. Planned parenthood, unions, Birth Certificates etc. I don't care bout these small pieces of pie. Lets talk defense cuts, Medicare, SS. Real difficult topics.

So that is why Ron Paul is my first choice but I will go back to Obama if he isn't there. There is more time and debates to be had till then, and I listen to the other candidates but I've already been scouting long before election time begins and I'm not impressed with anyone running. I refuse to vote someone out for the sake of voting them out. There has to be a better option on the table. That other option is Ron Paul, Will he be on the ticket is the question

Well there you go....another good reason I will vote for the all supreme leader this election.

I can see no reason not to vote Obama 2012 and anyone who doesn't is just asking for change...everything is just fine the way it is.

I will likely vote for Obama in 2012 for a few reasons, not all of them logical, but then again, I am human. (at least, so I've been told) so I'm entitled to my idiosyncracies. LOL

Logical reason #1:

in 2010 Obama's payroll tax cutwent into effect. 2% off the top of your gross wages. Nice, that. No media coverage, no big signing deal. Just a nice thing very few people noticed.

Logical reason # 2:

In 2009 Obama cut withholding for most everyone, a $787 billion dollar tax break that gave everyone $50 to $65 per paycheck back in their pockets.


Logical reason #3:
He got Osama bin Laden - I don't care if you claim it was SEAL Team 6, or the military - he made the final decision, and if it backfired on him every Obama-hater would have been in line to serve him what they thought was his share of crow... therefore since he would have taken the heat for missing ObL, he gets the kudos for getting him. Fair is fair.

And this is why he's my likely vote, unless some radical sea change happens and he's boning Condi Rice or having an affair with Sarah Palin... or he's proven and convicted of some crime... and not by the rabid birthers, I mean in a real, justifiable court or in Congress.

Originally posted by mamabeth
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The old saying...fool me once shame on you,
fool me twice shame on me.
I voted for obama in 2008,he won't be getting
my vote ever again!

Bush summed it up best with this speech(at the end of the video which points out how dumb he really is)



How on earth did he ever make it to the top with a pea brain

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How on earth did he ever make it to the top with a pea brain

That's simple you never get rid of a good tool. Chaney was the one in charge.

I dont vote, becasue in my teens, learning how things really work growing up, i leaned politics is all theivery scandal lies. learned that all on my own, watching george bush sr. on tv, bill clinton...ect ect. at least to me the last real good president we had in my lifetime, was ronald reagan..to a lesser or greater degree... at least people had jobs in the 80's, people were more or less happy, had social progams, new technologys were always coming out, things were still american made, you neve heard of the new world order on news or some presidents mouth, houses cars property were cheaper and more luxeruous, thier was no police brutality on a heavery scale like it is today..things like that. reagan would come out, with his innocent freindly face and smile, and everyone liked that. bush srt came out with a straight plaid non expressive face and often mentioned new world order..reagen did NOT like bush* learned that from a documentary. he knew something i think. bill smiled but made it plainfully obvious he just sat smoked ciggars.
anyhoo...i had been thinking of voting* and for what we have it would be ron paul* i had high hopes for obama too..and feel he is no real different than the rest now who were in office...giving hundreds of millions of tax m oney to Israel, u dont hear of change anymore, you did BEFORE he was elected, which was a rigged voting computer anyways...that concerns me. under bush jr..2008 corporations got ever so greedy, and layd off god knows how many, proving college was a waist of time and money for them, or technical schools. obama struck me as the type who would have put a stop on the corporate machine doing its thing, mowing jobs left n right...he didnt.
One thing i do agree with obama on, was when he wanted top put a cap on corporate salarys, and in government. well not 100% but it did seem justifiable to me. but under capitalism and the belief you can make as much money as you want, working for it, would bunt heads with that idea. you cannot tell someone how much they can make or not make. the difference though, jobs were cut so CEO's could make an extra $10 million one man* hings like that..so i belive. thats when its plainfully obvious whats going on..ide have put a cap on it somehow legaly. so people who wrok hard keep thier jobs*
obama is too soft. how difficult is it to fix a messed up capitalist system? i mean, change was said* if it take 8-10 years ..thats crazy and impracticle thinking. change for anything or anyone means NOW not tomorrow...time waits for no one,a nd actions speak louder than words. we know most liekly, every new president is going to be another came out of the cracker jax box deal, and say one thing.do something different* we dont have bright minds or heros to come save the day anymore in this country...we have bright minds..but thier all workiing for wall street, or ome corporate company, conjuring up legal mumbo jumbo to screw us outa our homes and taxes. not very advance screwing others around you over is it* rather ape n primitive, midevil like. well thast my view of most future preisdents..

Only if the Republicans run Palin will I vote for the nincompoop. Otherwise it's 3rd Party for me (unless by some miracle, Ron Paul gets the nomination)

I didn't vote for Obama in '08, his senate voting record was WAY too liberal for my tastes. But I was curious to see what direction our country would head in with him as president, I actually did become optimistic that he might be able to make a difference. But his presidency has proven one thing beyond the shadow of a doubt- a vote for either a Republican or Democrat as president is a vote for the status quo. It doesn't matter whether you take the blue or red pill here, both send us to the same place. My conclusion is one of two things are at work:

1. Obama really did believe he could accomplish the goals he laid out in his campaign, but once in office he quickly discovered how little power he really has to do such things, and instead has had to pander to the desires of others.

2. He is a shill for a secret organization that is REALLY controlling things, Bilderbergers or whoever, and his platform was a game of smoke and mirrors to mask a master plan that is being implemented but is not yet apparent.

I lean towards option 1, but I haven't ruled 2 out as a possibility.

I'll vote for Obama again because he's done most of the things he promised to do while managing the largest financial crisis in almost 80 years. In just two years, the S&P 500 has climbed from under 700 points to over 1300 points - that's a clean double of the net value of the country's major corporations and subsequently, all the shareholders wealth (private and public pension funds, county and state investment funds that had been wiped out during the Bush administration).

He pulled all the combat troops out of Iraq, he revived the collapsed auto industry (saving up to 2 million jobs), he passed health care reform (an election promise that won him a 10 million vote majority), he managed to get Bin Laden (who wasn't in either country that Bush invaded), and he even cut taxes (twice).

If any of that comes as a surprise, chances are high that you are a:

a.) Fox News viewer.
b.) Tea Partier
c.) Birther.
d.) All of the above.

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When you say you loved the 2008 Obama vs. the 2011, what does that mean? What has changed? IMO the man has never stopped campaigning. Promises, promises that people lapped up and then what??? In 2008 people vote for an image, they voted for hope... hope of what I am not sure but people got what they voted for. People got a Senator with no experience that basically voted present. They voted for a man that listened to hate spewed from a pulpit every Sunday.

There is no choice between two evils; 3rd party is the ONLY WAY to vote at this time in America, and I don't mean the religious-rights "official" Tea Party.

Ron Paul staying "Republican" on principal is admirable but he'll never get the go ahead from the NeoConservative party. If he did, my opinion of Paul would change immediately; NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY who works for the established two-party system has America's interests at heart. Ron Paul is weakened as a candidate by remaining in a party that no longer nor will ever again share his beliefs.

If the Republican leadership saw fit to pit Paul against Obama, something would undoubtedly be afoot.

Well I know it is shallow but.... My girl friend voted for Obama because he was better looking then McCain. Yes, that is a scary thought that someone would vote that way but that is how serious some people see voting. So I guess if it comes down between R. Paul vs. Obama- she will vote for The O again.