Reopening the case file: NASA UFOs

That 3rd pic on page 1 really looks like a high op chopper tail, boom and tail blade in the back heading staight downward. I'd love to go behind the scenes at the Air Force. That new stealth helicopter might be able to do a nose dive.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

More & more UFO researchers are talking to each other about the possibility that the earth is surrounded by a 'shadow biosphere' that is home to space animals...or as Trevor James Constable calls them in his classic book, "the Cosmic Pulse of Life", "critters"!

They live in the sky, invisible space fauna that can be 'seen' with UV & infrared cameras. They also become visible when they slow down their vibration...like a fan's blade becomes visible when it is slowed down.

Sorry for my late reply buzzEmiller, but it took me some time to do.

I heard about those critters of course, but I have my doubts, I think so far that it is all connected with the UFO phenomenon.
Here is some information about it, perhaps you did already see it but I posted nevertheless.
It’s on zorgons site thelivingmoon.

Energy Projects Electrodynamic Tether

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Critters and UFO's STS 75

NASA says "dust particles and debris". I have seen dust and ice particles in the videos... these look nothing like that...in truth the overall effect seems more like "moths drawn to the light"

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2c2c263c799c.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/65e7c980242d.jpg[/atsimg]

Gallery of Critters

www.thelivingmoon.com...

I personally think that the objects in those pictures are ET crafts.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
The natural, living UFOs share this 'shadow biosphere' with UFOs which were built by beings from another dimension. No mechanical ships from other planets. These are organic craft that are made out of the 'steel like' skin of a critter.

Well, it is clear to me that those UFOs/ET-crafts which were built by beings from another dimension or from somewhere in our own universe are definitely not like the nuts and bolts crafts we have.
I heard more than once the term “the craft was like a living organism” “a biological spaceship“ “metallic looking”.
But I think also that not all those crafts out there are made that way, because the way a craft is made depends on the level of technology and science the makers have and I assume that there are much different advanced intelligences out there which has reached different levels of technology and science.

Just we see for instance happening on Earth with our planes.
One is more advanced then the other.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
The craft merges with the consciousness of the dimensional entity in order to cross over to our physical world.
Much like a wild horse that is saddled by a human rider. When the 2 come together, the horse then acts with the intelligence & purpose of the human. It does the riders bidding.

Right, it’s also interesting to see what Col. Corso said about that.

According to Corso, they determined that the craft was a biological spaceship, functioning in conjunction with a crew of EBE’s (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities). They were biological robots created through advanced genetic engineering, clones designed to withstand the extreme conditions of space travel.
These EBE’s were able to drive their starship through a particular neural interface, whereby they could connect with the craft, becoming an almost integrated part of it.

www....(nolink)/corso-legacy/

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
The propulsion for both the space ships & space critters, is free living energy that is ever present throughout the biosphere. Every planet has this biosphere thus the constructed UFOs do travel between the planets...but that does not make them ET. They come from another dimension that is all around us & in their world things are physical for them. Just as we have it here. But they can not bring a physical body over...unless the 'body' is the UFO.

I do not know what kind of propulsion systems are used in those crafts, but I assume also that they using the so called “free energy” or “zero point energy” as their energy source.
I heard that physical bodies as we have for instance cannot withstand those space-travel speeds, so in those cases is the soul disconnected from the physical bodies during the trip.
I heard also that some ETs [not all because it depends on the level of technology and science], out there use therefore very advanced biological robots during their space-traveling, which they entered with their soul in oreder to control it and controlling their craft.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
The NASA UFO VIDEOS that slayer is discussing with this thread, show many different UFO phenomena. There are UFOs I see on them, that act & move about 'playfully' & other UFOs that appear as plasma like craft. There are UFOs that go so fast that in order to see them you have to grab single frames at 1/30th of a second & field frames that are at 1/60th of a second. These type 2 UFOs change color & appear as self luminous craft or critters.

I see them so far all as ET crafts.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
The NASA UFOs also show how confused astronauts get when asked what some of these phenomena are. They fumble around & sometimes just say nothing when asked.

I agree.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
On discoverer Martyn Stubbs "secretnasaman" You Tube channel there are nearly 300 clips & anyone spending a little time looking a lots of these will see what I see. These government shot space videos are all showing something that is not space ice or debris. The UFOs are very close to the space station & shuttle & if debris... they would cause big time alarm bells...but they do not!

I agree with you that these government shot space videos are indeed showing something that is not only space ice or debris.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
All these UFOs are potentially deadly to the space assets & the amazing NASA videos continually show objects very very close to the shuttles & space station. Even during spacewalks! So these objects must be under some intelligent control in order to avoid endless crashes & damage.

That is also my opinion.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
NASA knows what they are & that they are observing us. So we do the same & watch them. The NASA videos show the cameras always panning with the UFOs...why follow ice?

I agree.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller
Skeptics like Oberg are one trick ponies with only mechanistic explanations. The concepts of a shadow biosphere, or living animals in the skies or any ET, EBE or ED space craft...or free energy is outside their box. The thought that NASA is hiding anything is impossible for the skeptic to believe! Oberg ignores the body of work that the NASA UFO VIDEOS present because he has to. Or his world would come crashing down.

I personally think that Oberg and some others here do know so much more about what really happens in space then he or they will ever admit or say here.

Originally posted by buzzEmiller

When I look at a fish tank, I don't just look a the biggest fish. I look at all the fish... It's the same with the NASA videos...don't just zero in on 1 big fish (the tether)...look at the whole tank (all the Stubbs/secretnasaman NASA UFO archive) with all it's diversity. That's the best way to see the truth about NASA UFOs in our skies & the space around the planet. And that is what I believe the stunning NASA UFO videos show us.

I have seen many of Stubbs/secretnasaman videos, I even have them on DvD.
I think to know a very small part of what is going on, and only because of that alone do I even understand the ongoing secrecy around the UFO/UAP/ET phenomenon.

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

If10 retired astronauts saw something they can not identify it makes a person wonder.

Which ten? You do realize that when checked, these alleged quotations either have nothing to do with spaceflight, or are totally bogus. Why do you act as an accessory after the fact to your own deception?

Originally posted by wonderworld
Slayer has a good point here. NASA STS-088 does have crystal clear images available of Unidentified objects, whether flying or not. That cant be disputed as orbital debri.

Since the crew is discussing stuff that came loose accidentally during a spacewalk, but that commentary is censored off the versions posted on youtube, what's the dispute? That people should be expected to reach pro-UFO conclusions when critical mundane evidence is deliberately withheld by the UFO promoters?

Originally posted by RSF77

reply to post by JimOberg

 

So why is it that NASA doesn't employ these types of sensors? I don't see what there is to lose from it?

I'll make a better reply when I am not under a tornado threat.

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Stay safe, and help your neighbors -- as I'm sure you would.

How would such sensors make the shuttle safer? Anything you add also adds weight and power drain, it has to be mission-justified. NASA was always 'scrubbing' the hardware (and software) to save weight/kilowatt-hours, crew task complexity, etc.

A 'search radar' would show nothing useful since real debris is tracked from the ground by much more powerful radars, and doesn't come withn 'radar range' of the shuttle/station until seconds before potential impact.

Originally posted by diamount
Very interesting. I'm reminded of the Black Knight satellite case.

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Funny you should bring that up. I finally dug out some stuff I'd written based on research 30 years ago:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by RSF77

 

Yes, space debris arent under the Stratosphere and under the clouds?

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I think you're referring here to the very striking appearance of dots suddenly appearing 'out of nowhere', and the reasonable inference that they have come out from behind something, such as cloud cover on Earth that's often in the background.

This interpretation is based on learned responses from our earthside experience -- and works just fine on Earth.

What I suggest is happening in those amazing videos reflect an illumination situation that can only happen in space. So it's understandable that using earthside perceptual cues may be misleading.

When the date/time of these videos is available, a unique pattern of rare illumination conditions appears.

Anybody can verify this -- it's not easy, but it's not impossible, and it's obviously important. I had the opportunity to observe it and learn about it while serving in Mission Control in Houston for many years.

The Orbiter is in free flight -- not docked to anything -- and one of the external cameras is pointed toward the Earth horizon to search for anomalous lightning phenomena. It was called the Mesoscale Lightning Experiment, MLE, directed by Dr. Otha Vaughan at the NASA Marshall Space Center in Alabama. Anybody is free to ask him for particulars -- he's retired but still very active.

The prime data collection interval is during a night pass. Ordinary lightning, and passing cities, are often visible. The airglow layer is visible just above the physical horizon.

The camera is remotely operated by the INCO console in Mission Control in Houston. The crew is doing other stuff -- might even be asleep.

At the end of the observing pass, sunrise occurs. It is difficult to see this on the screen since there's nothing to be illuminated -- but sometimes there's a 'glow' of forward-scatter sunlight reflecting into an edge of the camera scene. Sometimes the mission commentator announces the sunrise on NASA TV.

At this point, any nearby objects shed by the Orbiter become sunlit and 'appear'. This coincidence in time is strong evidence they are near the Orbiter because other regions of more-distant space in the camera's field of view would still be in darkness.

And there's another closer region that is still in darkness: inside the Orbiter's own shadow. This cone of shadow extends down-sun several hundred feet before tapering to a point and vanishing.

Stuff floating aimlessly in this zone are invisible until they cross into sunlight, when they suddenly appear.

Since the camera is aimed at Earth's horizon for the lightning experiment, of course Earth's surface will be in half or more of the scene.

Something appearing will likely be against this earth background, entirely by coincidence.

An argument for this effect being the explanation of the remarkable and genuinely puzzling apparitions of 'appearance' is that stuff usually drifts away from the Orbiter, which would take them out of the shadow much more often than drifting INTO the shadow. And in fact when I've counted up objects appearing/disappearing, there's about a ten to one ratio of appearances to disappearances -- exactly the trend that the shadow explanation predicts. Do this yourself to verify it.

This invisibility-to-appearance phenomenon is very brief. As the Orbiter continues to circle Earth it soon flies over the terminator, the boundary between earth surface darkness and daylight. In that region the bounceback light from earth's surface fills in the shadow zone with enough brightness to illuminate anything drifting there. There is no dark/light boundary to cause the 'appearance' effect.

This is really non-intuitive. It goes against the instincts and trained brain processes that serve us down here on the surface. So it takes a little thinking and experimenting in a dark room to sink in. Try it. It's a fun 'Eureka!' moment.

Once the effect becomes 'thinkable', a lot of the mysteries of these videos become more comprehensible.

On STS-48, the famous zig-zag death ray video, what you now can see is a sunrise in orbit (it is noticeable by a slight bright fogging of the edge of the field of view) when a number of particles all become visible simo, followed by aimless drifting of the particles and a few more popping up in mid-screen (exactly where the shadow zone is spreading away). Then there is a small flash -- at precisely the time records show a thruster fired -- and a number of particles change direction [all of them during and only during the duration of the thruster firing].

One of those zig-zagging particles was one of the original sunrise appearers from a few minutes earlier. This particle is crucial evidence -- it ties small nearby objects becoming sunlit simo with the Orbiter, to the objects which react to the documented thruster firing. It is the key to opening the truth about this video and proving the mundane explanation of it.

I wouldn't expect that this invesigation result would be widely disseminated on the UFO sites. So nowe you have some exclusive access to something kept secret from you by the promoters. And all of this can be independently verified.

Best UFOs ever captured by NASA:
humansarefree.com...

reply to post by gekados


Sorry....but, that is just "Luna Cognita's" video, again.

It's been dissected, elsewhere on ATS. A thread search will uncover its location, on site....

I think in this day and ago, it isn't that far fetched to that single-stage-to-orbit (or SSTO) vehicles exist. Certainly terrestrial ones. This certainly fits the picture of an single-stage-to-orbit (or SSTO) vehicle.

The photos look genuine to me. But I'm no expert. It does look extremely bad-ass I might add. It might also make sense to design something with an unconventional look to keep your enemies (and allies?) guessing.

Originally posted by eyespying
I think in this day and ago, it isn't that far fetched to that single-stage-to-orbit (or SSTO) vehicles exist. Certainly terrestrial ones. This certainly fits the picture of an single-stage-to-orbit (or SSTO) vehicle.

The photos look genuine to me. But I'm no expert. It does look extremely bad-ass I might add. It might also make sense to design something with an unconventional look to keep your enemies (and allies?) guessing.

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Ths is no longer the Dark Ages, however, where only the big guys had sensitive instruments.

Take a look at these guys:

satobs.org...

They've been keeping pretty good track of the top secret X-37B, and they especially watch for objects associated with the ISS. Scan the topics.

What they see is not consistent with what UFO stories portray as happening near the ISS.

Take those STS-75 tether swarm notched circles -- if they were as large as the UFO version claims, they'd have been as big and bright as the full moon when viewed from Earth's surface. Do the math and confirm this, please.

But nobody reported seeing a moon-sized object swooping across the skies during the event.

A suggested explanation for this absence is that there WAS no moon-sized object swooping across the skies.

Alternate explanations are welcome.

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by eyespying
I think in this day and ago, it isn't that far fetched to that single-stage-to-orbit (or SSTO) vehicles exist. Certainly terrestrial ones. This certainly fits the picture of an single-stage-to-orbit (or SSTO) vehicle.

The photos look genuine to me. But I'm no expert. It does look extremely bad-ass I might add. It might also make sense to design something with an unconventional look to keep your enemies (and allies?) guessing.

edit on 23-5-2011 by eyespying because: anomalies

edit on 23-5-2011 by eyespying because: more anomalies

Ths is no longer the Dark Ages, however, where only the big guys had sensitive instruments.

Take a look at these guys:

satobs.org...

They've been keeping pretty good track of the top secret X-37B, and they especially watch for objects associated with the ISS. Scan the topics.

What they see is not consistent with what UFO stories portray as happening near the ISS.

Take those STS-75 tether swarm notched circles -- if they were as large as the UFO version claims, they'd have been as big and bright as the full moon when viewed from Earth's surface. Do the math and confirm this, please.

But nobody reported seeing a moon-sized object swooping across the skies during the event.

A suggested explanation for this absence is that there WAS no moon-sized object swooping across the skies.

Alternate explanations are welcome.

I was making reference to the STS-88 images. Not sure on the tether incident images/video.

Interesting website. Spy ring or hobbyists?

reply to post by SLAYER69


what???

This may interest you in your research, it ties your post to this one and the images re: Abydos and Egyptians:

www.conspiracy.co...

Maybe you could collaborate with the above author on this and make some headway?

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

Thanks you for posting that interesting video.
I'm looking up some information. Be back in a bit.

Hi SLAYER69, you said you would be back in a bit here, but that is a hell of a bit then.
Did you find it not interesting after all, or do you have me in the ignore mode?

Just asking.

reply to post by weedwhacker


You seem to know what a lot of this "debris" is. Could you explain two things for me?. both are in the first YOUTUBE video posted by the OP. The first one is at :40 and the second one is from 2:16 to 2:40.

-Alien

One of the laws of motion: an object in motion will stay in motion unless acted upon by an outside force.

So, referring to the second anomaly i mentioned, how did this thing first of all just seem to appear from nowhere. Also, how did it make a turn with no visible propulsion system? And, the object was obviously not acted upon by an outside force.

Even if you wanted to explain this away as some advanced human technology then you would fail because even if the government or NASA was 100 years ahead of us they still couldn't make things just appear out of nowhere.

But lets just say they could build this thing. Why would they use a piece of super high-tech technology to spy on their own outdated satellites and or space vehicles?

The only thing that can make sense of all this is the fact that this thing is extraterrestrial technology.


-Alien

reply to post by Alien Abduct

The first one is at :40 and the second one is from 2:16 to 2:40.

Re-watching the LunaCognita video.....

@ :40, did you mean the bit just before, of the Shuttle ET sep (External Tank separation) on ascent to LEO? The whitish, triangular thing looks like a reflection, either in the window being filmed through, or inside the camera optics. After :40, switched to a view of Lunar orbit, and I can't see the point, in that one...will watch again.


@ 2:16....be careful, because LC edits the footage, zooming in, highlighting and looping it. By zooming in, the motion of the camera, itself, is missed. The roundish thing looks, to me, like a drop of liquid, probably on the inside of the window, in side the (either Shuttle, or ISS, whichever the camera was filming from).

Look at just the first couple of seconds (before LC "enhances" it) to see the camera moves, and the drop of something, on the window, is close, so appears to move rapidly....

reply to post by weedwhacker


Do you seriously believe that that is a drop of liquid? I'm sorry but your "liquid" explanation doesn't hold water

I see what your talking about, about the camera moving to make it appear that the "drop" is moving. But, looking at the satellite and the frame of the camera, it doesn't move enough to account for the movement of the "drop".

Okay the other one in question is :40 and after being that the film rolls forward I assumed you would start it at :40 and then watch from there not watch backward. Its from :40 to :50 if that helps.

-Alien

reply to post by Alien Abduct


OK......

......I assumed you would start it at :40 .....

Checked it again, went full-screen (but, on a laptop...about a 14 incher).

What I see is the Earth in gibbous phase, in the distance.....and, well is it the very faint, ephemeral whitish blur? That is all I see, and has every indication of being another reflection......


I should repeat that....it seems highly dubious that any actual footage of ET would be so easy to *find* in the publicly released stills and videos. Let's presume there ARE *visitors*, and it is well-known by certain factions. The images depicting such things wouldn't be out there, to be seen so easily, one would think.

A thought, for OP.....on the above ("well-known" ET activity potential).....I recall seeing something, years back, that was intriguing. Was about a division of (NASA, I think...possibly associated with NORAD) that tracked targets that had a specific acronym, to designate them as non-terrestrial in origin. I haven't thought of that, in years, so going from memory, here......