(To christians... ) So.... just hypothetically....what if Jesus returns... (Serious responses only p

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"Show me anywhere in the bible he has pulled off such guerilla tactics and I may run off and get myself some as well. absurd thread... "

There are plenty of references in the bible that suggests Jesus will return to be part of a conflict.
Going by his description in the christian and Islamic eschatology, Jesus could return as an islamic guerilla...as the thread title suggests.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by dl2one

 

"Show me anywhere in the bible he has pulled off such guerilla tactics and I may run off and get myself some as well. absurd thread... "

There are plenty of references in the bible that suggests Jesus will return to be part of a conflict.
Going by his description in the christian and Islamic eschatology, Jesus could return as an islamic guerilla...as the thread title suggests.

misquote ;p

Your description of Jesus in the OP reads more like the AC than the Messiah!

The sword can also refer to the tongue. When Christ returns, he will speak. Those who have chosen the darkside will perish.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


I'm a Christian, and first off you cannot usually make assumptions like that out of single quotes, you have to examine the verse in it's full context.

For many MANY year's people have been saying "It's the signs of the times man, Jesus is coming back soon". You can't forget Mark 13:32

3232But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.


Another reason we cannot make guestimations about when Jesus will come back is that there are 2/3rds (forgive me if I'm a tad bit off on the statistics) of the world that still know nothing about Jesus Christ. I don't know when Jesus will come back but I DO know that he will not come back until the whole world has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by sk0rpi0n

 

a) Jesus, as defined by Christians and muslims would return to wage war. On what document are you suggesting he would be a hermit. Note that I will not oppose Jesus having hermit like qualities. But basis what we kknow of Jesus from 2 different sources.. Jesus will return to wage war.

sources please

Just from what is written about him, i believe no one would even realize who he was...

Return to wage spiritual war, i would agree with that, not physical war though.

I agree, but wouldn't spiritual revolution cause physical wars? If you will, the "raptured" vs "those left". Otherwise, I'm leaning towards a form of ascension where "physical" no longer has a tangible meaning.

What if it was Mohammad whp said these words?

Mohammad is/was not the son of God, he was a mortal man like you and I.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Most of the Christians, were I a betting man.

To be clear...

Not all Christians believe Christ is going to return.

My mom doesn't, thats a fact. She also doesn't think that what Paul was saying is a permanent statement, she think it could mean something totally different. I'm on the fence. But it's not like we goto hell if we don't know when He is coming. If He comes then great. I'm not the type to get excited over things like this. Now if He can grant me the ability to fly, then now we're talking!

With all of our modern search power and all the historical and archeological information out on the Internet, why don't more Christians start to study the early formation of the Christian church.

The historical Jesus was Yeishu Ben Pantera and just a man who died. According to some mystics, he can appear as a spirit. So therefore, he may already have returned.

Originally posted by KJV1611
When Jesus returns, there will not be time for choosing sides. He will kill over 250 million people within the first day. Read my sig ↓ for more details.

Jesus is not returning as a lamb to die. He will return as a King to rule....by killing all the opposition. Hope your on the right side guys and gals.

So what's the difference between Christ and the Anti-Christ then?
Guy shows up and says join or die. Both will use God's word to gain ranks, and at some point he (Chist or the other fella) will begin eliminating the opposition. How will one tell the difference?
Also; I wasn't aware that Christ was for the NWO.

I know the Bible speaks of Christ's return as he will come back with fiery eyes (angry), blood soaked robes (red), and a sword-like tongue (talking $h!t), but I don't imagine him killing a whole lot of people and then reigning King over the rest, which is how you make it sound. Sure he may smite the wicked, but I don't believe that he'd regard someone as "wicked" just because they didn't follow his Dad around like a shadow, throwing praise and money at him their whole lives, because if that's what God is, I'd rather face nothingness after death.

You've entitled your post towards christians, meaning believers in Jesus. I was raised a christian, but it wasn't enough. I've studied every major world religion, and that wasn't enough either. I turned towards science, and that wasn't enough either. I settled on druidism. Eh, it's a trade-off, meaning you can study whatever you want and still follow your own path. The fewer rules the better it is to learn. I studied science, chock full of rules, and while coming closer to describing reality, it left an empty whole that couldn't describe what people feel inside. Basically, science had no answers either. Imagine that.

I take the premise of your thread to be about christ vs anti-christ. (A sort of Christianity vs Islam spin-off, cleverly disguised by hinting that maybe OBL was Christ returning and we just killed him. LOL. Humor me. The first time around he didn't come to save the "righteous", he came to save those that were "lost". However, he also stated that there is none righteous, no, not one. Ouch. That means that everyone is "lost". Ouch again.)

Basically stated, the whole world was f$%^&d up back then, and......

Whoa, hold your horses. The whole world was f$%^&d up when he had Noah build an ark.

......then it was f$%^&d up again by the time Jesus was born. He was able to state that there are none that are "right" with god, ie, "righteous". I think this proves that even though mankind had good intentions, he didn't get what god wants us to do. What's the design specification, and why are all these flaws happening?

Well, it's because of the anti-christ. Not a person, a state of mind. The simple definition is anyone against Jesus's teachings, ie, "righteous" behavior. How to get your gig on with God. How we lost that connection we used to have back in the garden of eden, when God would come down and talk with us. Jesus tried to tell us what the "Kingdom of God" is really like. It also says that he'll come back in clouds. We won't be able to see clearly at first. Cloudy vision. (Uhm, honestly, can we currently?) Then, I think, we'll finally get it. WE are the anti-christ that won't let Jesus return, and that is why no man knows the hour or date. Humankind won't get off our butts and do something to change anything, and that is why we have religion. Religion teaches us how to behave. It keeps us corralled as sheeple. It reigns in our free-thinking. Religion is the anti-christ. Religion causes the wars.

"IF" was the major premise. I, as a druid, can firmly believe he will come back someday, albeit nothing what MSM expects. I have visions, been mum, maybe I'll do a thread sometime. The christians say when, and describe all sorts of various events, so that it becomes unappealing hodge-podge masquerading as something you'd want to believe in. Why the if? As a druid, you have the ability to rationally sift through any set of belief systems, and choose the most useful characteristics. Why the if? It seems to be that you are struggling about a shift to Islam. Don't fight it. Learn. Neither are right. Excuse me, "righteous". Get my drift?

Think about who you have to answer to. Jesus? Mohammed? Buddha? God? Yourself? Then, think about which you fear the most. Who in that list is the best guidance counselor? Who would you most like to be?

When you ask if, I have to ask questions as well. It'd be interesting to see answers to those four simple "religious" questions.......

We fly by the seat of our pants in this reality, forsaking facts for fiction, and denying ourselves our love for Jesus. We stumble because we have no idea how to express our love. It's been programmed out of us by the anti-christ, by society. We don't trust our neighbors anymore, we can't afford it. Ah ha, we've stumbled on a beast. The economy. It dictates what we do, paying bills, forcing us to work, and then luring us with it's sweet wiles. HE double hockey sticks yeah, I have a smartphone. It's amazing. I go to work everyday to afford that luxury. However, I don't worship it, it's just a tool and convenience, and not really required. I could live without it. I choose not to. Yes, this does DETRACT from Jesus being in your heart. If he's not in enough hearts, he'll go extinct. Isn't it our job to keep him strong with our thoughts?

However, it's not enough to just believe. You have to act. You have to think you have the heart of Jesus, to turn the other cheek, judge not, and to separate the wheat from the tares. WHEN he comes back, he will rule with a "rod of iron", pretty strict for, oh about a thousand years. Can't you tell a good person from a bad person just by their character? How can you not judge them? Programming loop 101, you can't judge a loop unless you are outside the system, with no interactions. WE are all people wanting to do good, but not knowing the best way to do it. Someone will step up someday, perhaps a hermit, and once he tells us what to do, we are changed "

Matthew 24:30-36 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

Then the scarier part:

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. (NIV)

Kinda quick for those not prepared. Hm....

Originally posted by ren1999
With all of our modern search power and all the historical and archeological information out on the Internet, why don't more Christians start to study the early formation of the Christian church.

The historical Jesus was Yeishu Ben Pantera and just a man who died. According to some mystics, he can appear as a spirit. So therefore, he may already have returned.

The Historical Jesus was actually baptized "Yeshua Bar Josef". Uhm, a bit uncomfortable, but his name was actually Joshua. "Joshua son of Joseph." Shame on you, do your research. Uhm, care to share your source?

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Look, you're all wrong. Jesus lives. I saw him yesterday at the pizzeria. He works there with his brother Virgilio. No, they're not Italian but they make a nice calzone. He'll be there tomorrow too. Does that count as a "second coming"?

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I wonder what it is with people just like yourself who think Jesus is fictional... All of the testimonies of people who's writings are in that very first published book called "The Bible"

Because... Back in those days, the regular folks depended upon the utmost honesty and personal integrity in order to survive... Anyone known or proven to be dishonest, or a liar would be jobless and sitting in the dirt hungry.

Who will I believe, a person like yourself who just seems to be disnfranchised with this crazy planet with so much deception etc.. And who could blame you?

Or people who, at the time even then was quite diverse with many diiferent philosophies, maybe even more so than right now, but which depended on personal testimony as the only way to know the relative truth of any news or information relayed.

And speaking of news, the news of Christ as a teacher and as a rabbi was spreading fast in those places and becoming known in Rome. Included in these news stores of the time were testimonies of Christ doing frightful things like curing people afflicted with very severe afflictions like "permanent blindness" since birth no less, and other sworn statements of Christ even bringing back a young girl who had been dead for longer than a day which amazed many and shocked or stunned many more...

Who it affected most, and caused great fear to, were the Obama's and the Bushes, and the clinton's of the times.. All of the ones who felt they were the powers and the authorities...

To these people it scared the most. Someone who could do things beyond their comprehension which was also causing them to see that this man called Christ was gaining huge followings and raining on their parade so to speak..

So they conspired to kill him..

These stories run far to deep to be someones fairy tale, and they were retold by people with much more integrity and clarity of memory than anyone you would know in todays times...

So to me, those are who I believe simply because their stories as told in that book are told by trustworthy people..
Or I could believe someone like yourself who doesn't have a clue, doesn't want to have a clue, and is mad enough at life to just write it off as some fairy tale... /note, it's never too late to open that ole thinker back up ...

Nahhh, I'll believe those folks in that book because they cared about real integrity and honesty back then..

Something that is hard to find these days except among friends and family..

And because I chose to give that all the benefit of the doubt and seek to learn more about Christ, he has rescued me from death three times I know about, maybe even more times than that , that I don't know about.

So now I know it for myself as a fact that he is real and he cares about people for some reason.

reply to post by teapot

Your description of Jesus in the OP reads more like the AC than the Messiah!

How so? Read the OP again. I said..

There suddenly appears a skilled guerilla warfare commander... who will be labelled by the MSM as an "islamist terrorist". He will be extremely religious. He will fight for his religious beliefs against a government/ruling authority that is far from religious.

The AC is often described (by christians interpreting the AC verses) as a major leader who commands vast forces armed with state of the art technology... how else will he implement the 666 system??? I hypothesized a case where Jesus returns motivated by nothing but religon in fight against an irreligious authority.

Also the AC does not fight for a religon... he exalts himself... remember.

The sword can also refer to the tongue. When Christ returns, he will speak. Those who have chosen the darkside will perish.

Jesus clearly implied that he would bring the opposite of peace.... which the sword is symbolic of. Its pretty literal.

reply to post by Mactire


When Jesus returns, the opposition he will be killing off are the Untied Nations that come together in order to destroy Israel, led by the Anti-christ This is clearly and easily seen, read, and shown in the Holy Bible

All you people with questions and assumptions about the return of Christ just need to open your Bible and read it The answers are there and easily understand on a 6th grade reading level

ZEPHANIAH 3:8
"Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my DETERMINATION is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy."

Hundreds of more verses.... hundred, just like this one. I'll post more if you want to see, but judging by your reply, you don't want to know the truth and would rather remain ignorant in order to not go through life worrying I understand your position, I really do. The more knowledge we gain, the less happy we are.

reply to post by KJV1611

When Jesus returns, the opposition he will be killing off are the Untied Nations that come together in order to destroy Israel, led by the Anti-christ This is clearly and easily seen, read, and shown in the Holy Bible

The word "united nations" is never mentioned in the bible.
Whatever you said can only be an interpretation of whats said in the bible.

All you people with questions and assumptions about the return of Christ just need to open your Bible and read it The answers are there and easily understand on a 6th grade reading level

ZEPHANIAH 3:8
"Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my DETERMINATION is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy."

Jesus was not on earth when Zephaniah was written.
Also, even Islam claims that God will punish the nations...and destroy the earth.

I dont see how that answers the OPs original question.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


That's a pretty weak excuse and argument pal. The verse quoted WAS about Jesus's return to earth during the second advent. Just because you don't understand the Bible nor what is in it, doesn't mean you should ignore every verse in the Bible that was wrote when Jesus wasn't walking around in the flesh. You have much to learn. MUCH.

The comment on the united nations not being in the Bible isn't even worth comment on my part.