Arizonas ban on ethnic studies

kids being deprived of the education eh

well in america tell me where are:

the african american history and culture
the japanese american history and culture
the german american history and culture
the irish american history and culture.

what has been taught in american schools every since their inception is us history american history because we are all americans.

not one culture above any other the great american melting pot from many people one voice one national identity.


fairness and equality is what this country is all about so where are all those others.

what? there are none so why are people screaming bloody racist lawmakers here.

bah.

reply to post by TheDevilOfLies


Can you please define American? What is "American" culture?

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by VicDiaz89

 

Let them learn then. Let them learn how to write cogent sentences and paragraphs in English. Let them learn addition, subtraction, algebra, geometry. Let them learn about the history of the nation, and let them actually study the Constitution. Let them learn biology, chemistry, and other basic sciences. Leave all the social awareness claptrap for the home and the church.

Like i said people like you obviously havent taken ANY ethnic studies class Ever,im complety sure on this because you are 100% ignorant on this subject,you know nothing more on ethnic studies than you can read off of wiki..People like you who support the restriction of education are helping to turn the US into an ignorant country,and with ignorance comes hatred,and only keeps getting worse.

I dont think the bill goes far enough.

Not only should we stop educating about other cultures, we should stop educating about other languages!

We don't need to know how to speak Spanish or French.. we are Americas!
We don't need to know about biology either, because God made us!
We don't need to know about the Environment, we are too small to do anything too damaging!
We don't need Civics class, I dont believe in the system, so Im not going to vote anyway!
We don't need History, it's all a bunch of lies anyway!

Originally posted by SunYu
reply to post by TheDevilOfLies

 

Can you please define American? What is "American" culture?

Diabetes and porn?

Really, though, I agree. People fail to realize that our distinct culture as Americans is a collaboration of all ethnicities and cultures that live here. Why do you think we don't speak with British accents? Because we made English our own!

So a study of any external culture is a study of American culture.

reply to post by neo96


neo ive already adressed this question,if you want ethnic studies YOU MUST DEMAND IT FROM YOUR SCHOOL BOARD.Read through the entire thread before you post.

reply to post by TheDevilOfLies


Well, I got to say I wouldn't have a problem with cutting EVERYTHING but reading, writing and arithmetic. Ever since no child left behind, I think the quality of education has been in decline - so much concern over test scores. But I do get the impression, perhaps I am wrong, is that there is an ever growing anti-Latino sentiment running ramoant across the country and this scares me. Singling out one group to 'hate' or be the nation's scapegoat is wrong.

reply to post by VicDiaz89


sorry i am not a dog i am not gonna bark when you say roll over when you say or sit when you say.

and NO any tax dollars should not being going to any special interest group and as such that means if anyone is not in that special interest tax dollars should not go to them.

what i demand is history be taught. and apparently you didnt watch the video.

there was hatred and stupidity in that video and that was instilled by "my culture is better than yours" crowd.

only if they add anglo-saxon studies.

and maybe something else for the second line.

I think that everyone should have a chance to learn what they want to learn..
but in our democracy, majority rules.. if Arizona decides to ban the class, they have every right to..
indeed there should be no special interests catered to here.. but as there is a significant population of Hispanics, then once they have a majority then they will vote it back in..

reply to post by sonofliberty1776


I seriously hope that you aren't a Christian republican who's pro-life... because if you claim to be, you're seriously doing it wrong.

reply to post by drwizardphd


You hit the nail on the head with the idea of many 'conservatives' wielding government influence to get their ways. I mean, its here with people championing the G to stop catering to minorities (whatever, on that one - if you haven't taken a culture studies, you should really STFU until you see whats in one - its not brainwashing, I don't care what the hate-porn goddess Sarah Palin says) in one breath and then denouncing the intervention of the G in their lives (can we say healthy eating initiatives, anyone?)

Unfortunately, its never been about small gov or big gov, or whatever. its about power... too much of it is going to people to people who aren't the traditional power brokers, and it scares people. new things always do. they can couch it in whatever terms they choose, but in the end, its still fear of the other person that drives them.

too bad their answer is to compromise what they claim to believe in order to make their world a little safer. those who would give up liberty for safety deserve neither.

reply to post by RelentlessLurker


They already have Anglo-Saxon studies. its called English IV - British Lit. Its also under World History and History of Western Civilization.

However, Mexican history which influenced and is a guiding cultural factor in Arizona gets covered under the Alamo and ends with Santa Anna. Not the same thing, there.

reply to post by SunYu




sure could, but i wont, ill just get censored and even if i dont you wouldn't recognize it if it fell in your pants along with way too many other people in this country now


many dont recognize it because you never knew it, you havent been here long enough, or you were here long enough but its been so long you dont even remember it

also interesting you proved another point of mine about the one liners on this site


i know what it is, and i know what it isnt, and im seeing it disappear way too fast and overun by what isnt

and as i notice that, i notice crime and corruption and every other problem in my city increase and this is verified by the words of the police who speak directly to me and my family while trying to deal with this plague in my city

Originally posted by VicDiaz89People like you who support the restriction of education are helping to turn the US into an ignorant country,and with ignorance comes hatred,and only keeps getting worse.

Diaz, nobody is restricting education. You are free to start you own private school and have all your homies who want what you teach pay you.

But my guess is you'd rather bitch and blame others than educate anybody yourself. Let us know when your school is open.

What? Don't have the funds to start your own school? Surely with such a demand for ethnic studies somebody will invest money into your new project.

The only ignorance and hatred I see is coming from people who cry like the spoiled brats they are when they don't get their own way.

reply to post by VicDiaz89


I'm also wondering what makes Mexican Amercans so special that there is a special class for Mexican American history?

We should be spending time educating people to speak english, learn math, science, reading and such. Public education has a flaw, and that is only teaching children enough of the basics to pass the SATs. Basics aren't enough, there needs to be a push beyond basics that involves critical thinking.

That way, when a person tries to spin something to look like it isn't, people will recognize it and be able to point out the flaws in it.

What is important to me is that ALL Americans, and I mean legal citizens, get an education that will lead them to a responsible adulthood. So that if they are wanting and willing, can go to college and further their education.

The more time and money spent on teaching special interest classes, the less time and money spent on futhering basics that can lead to higher education.

If the American public education system spent more time actually educating people and less time with behavior modification, American education would be tops.

Originally posted by SunYu
reply to post by TheDevilOfLies

 

Well, I got to say I wouldn't have a problem with cutting EVERYTHING but reading, writing and arithmetic. Ever since no child left behind, I think the quality of education has been in decline - so much concern over test scores. But I do get the impression, perhaps I am wrong, is that there is an ever growing anti-Latino sentiment running ramoant across the country and this scares me. Singling out one group to 'hate' or be the nation's scapegoat is wrong.

within here we find something to agree with

as a public school wipe out all but reading writing and math

fine by me, theres not enough focus on whats important and i fully agree with you, id rather not take away the other things like art gym music, etc but id rather wipe em all then have a debate like the one going on now

but you say theres ever growing anti latino sentiment

sure IS, and in my city which is a vERY large city in nys it is rampant among ALL INCLUDING Hispanics themselves

i personally have watched and listened as educated Hispanics bash the hispanic culture
i have personally watched as hispanic police bash the Hispanic culture
ive seen the blacks do it, ive seen the vietnamese do it

everyone i know has said they are sick of the situation

now with that said im sure some mod with put some little note at the end of my post for telling it how it is

but im telling it how it is

the reason for this is "hispanic pride" its all about viva mexico and all the nonsense, its about waving all of those flags while burning the american one, its about having a festival and destroying the city EVERY SINGLE YEAR as your group gets together and riots as they "celebrate" their heritage

it is not the rest of the community segregating them, it is them who are unwilling to speak or learn the language after living here for decades


it is them who congregate while excluding their neighbors

it is them openly smoking crack and getting wasted in front of children

it is the latin gangs breaking in everywhere, stealing mail and terrorizing neighborhoods

at least thats how it is here in my city in nys and why my family is personally working with detectives to end the situation


its time to call a spade a spade, if theres growing anti latin sentiment

maybe ask yourself why?

maybe because they can come here and get jobs beecause they do them for slave labor

people use the excuse the americans wont do the work, bs i know 100s of out of workers who would love to work on a farm but they cant get hired because they dont live in the area, cant afford to, or wont even get hired because they wont work for free

then on top of that in the cities they come, pop out baby after baby, right now in one household there are a dozen children constantly neglected, constantly screaming at the top of their lungs, constantly being yelled at and hit in PUBLIC yet the police do nothing, then after popping out the kids, the get EXTRA money from the govt for it

how do i know this? ive heard from their hispanic neighbors who actually can speak english tell me how much they get monthly

you worry about the anti sentiment, maybe we should worry more about whats causing it and actually address the problems that EVERYONE is complaining about EVEN LEGAL hispanics

perhaps its a case of a few rotten apples spoiling the bunch, well if thats the case, maybe the bunch should stop supporting them so much, attempt to integrate into society and be less of an outcast and criminal

Cultural diversity is taught on a college level, so why not start earlier? I think it's a good thing in bringing people together through understanding one another. It's important.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


bringing people together is great

but is it called coming together when 1 group wont make a single step in their NEW home? or will this just be the native american thing all over

Originally posted by MindF

Originally posted by Janky Red
the point of being pro liberty is to be mindful for everyones liberty, you do not enforce your political will upon others in an understanding that they will not do the same to you.

So I suppose you are for very large government, so large that it has the right to dictate education to the educators?

In Majority you are talking politicians, like several bus loads worth???

tyr·an·ny   
[tir-uh-nee] Show IPA
–noun, plural -nies.
1.
arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.

It is despotic to think that crooked politicians feel they have the right to dictate the bounds of curriculum to
educators in modern America...

Are describing a Republic???

Doesn't sound like it

edit on 10-5-2011 by Janky Red because: (no reason given)

You are sadly mistaken and your argument is based on false presumptions.

The point of liberty isn't being "mindful" of everybody's liberty. The American system is based on a premise that every individual has God given rights that the government cannot step over.

So let's begin with that premise. We all have the same God given rights.

So within this framework we have government institutions that provide services. We collectively elect other citizens to execute and manage these services, such as school systems.

The elected representatives in Arizona made passed a law that states no ethnic group gets special treatment. That is not a violation of anybody's rights.

And it's not tyrannical or despotic when a government makes decisions that are not what you want.

If there were no elections and the people had no way to vote these officials out, then yes, that would be tyrannical.

But no, just because the government doesn't provide you what you want doesn't mean your rights are being violated somehow.

You have the right to live somewhere else. That's what great about the United States. Each state can to a large degree self-govern.

And if Mexican-Americans, Polish-Americans, and Japanese-Americans don't like it, so what? It's not the role of the government to appease every minority.

You want an extremely large government that can dictate the specific class that can be taught, if it suits your
ignorant perspective. You no jack all about liberty, you cannot sustain liberty if everyone is out to infringe upon another's. You are a tyrants best friend, it takes people to destroy the sanctity of god's given rights, governments
have stepped over those rights since the dawn of time. You clearly want to bestow upon government the right and will to dictate what study is sanctioned.

It not my role, to roll over and accept you and your governments double speak and tyrannical dictate.

MindF, owns the bounds of liberty, better run it by him first