Arizonas ban on ethnic studies

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Just out of curiosity, does your support of state sovereignty extend to supporting AZ in it's fight against the federal government for trying to enforce its own immigration laws?

I respect it, sure. I will speak out against it in conversation but I do not condone the federal government stepping in to decide their fate. I'm an open-borders kinda guy but I don't live there so it's not my place to twist arms any more than it would be there right to twist my state's arms to do something.

I'll argue against closed border policies but I'll actually fight for their right to exercise their own policies. Doesn't mean I agree with them.

reply to post by illuminatitanimulli


lol absolutely nothing i said refers to this bieng a racial issue.Let me simplify this thread for you,In my opinion,ANYONE who restricts or supports the restriction of a quality education to anyone who wants to learn is a moron.

reply to post by VicDiaz89


Anyone who holds special interest in advocating their race at everyone's expense with no representation of other races is ignorant imo.

Sorry guys got to go to work so mexican americans can learn their heritage (which is lazy on their parent's part). Nice debating with you. (for most part). Goodnight.

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Wow, blindly condescend people with other views much? Way to dismiss me as a non-eligible participant in the debate because I believe in a freedom that counters your own pet prejudices.

In any case, like I said, they can do whatever close-minded things they want to do over there and I'd never agree with federal interference. It will just inspire some more advanced minds to get into leadership paths and try to change it for the better.

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Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Are hispanics not catered to enough in this country? Is that your problem?

There is nothing wrong with teaching Classes that actually are important instead of the touchy feely classes a certain segment of the population believes everyone needs.

lol you seem to have internal issues with hispanics,thats fine,but you have to remember that america is one giant melting pot of cultures and races,and for government to take away ethnic studies from any of them is as wrong as the patriot act...Its as if my neighbors home burned down and i invited him and his family to stay and after they settled in ii forced them to do all my chores and pay all my bills and showed them the door if they didnt like it..Its wrong beyond belief ..

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If the ethnic studies classes are so important, why don't supporters of them simply get together and fund them outside of normal school hours?

Perhaps they dont care enough to cough up their own money and only feel comfortable when they are wasting the taxpayers money instead.

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by VicDiaz89

 

If the ethnic studies classes are so important, why don't supporters of them simply get together and fund them outside of normal school hours?

Perhaps they dont care enough to cough up their own money and only feel comfortable when they are wasting the taxpayers money instead.

That could be said for any class. Using that rationale, the supporters of math should fund math classes. If they didn't allow people to attend class unless they were Hispanic, then I'd see your point but... really, you are just being sort of narrow on this topic.

Originally posted by ViperChili
reply to post by VicDiaz89

 

If the ethnic studies classes are so important, why don't supporters of them simply get together and fund them outside of normal school hours?

Perhaps they dont care enough to cough up their own money and only feel comfortable when they are wasting the taxpayers money instead.

If your suggesting this why not just go all the way an put price tags on all school subjects?your arguments arent valid..

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Personally I don't think they should teach ethnic studies in school, just general history. We don't need divisions in society... Latino pride, White pride, Persian pride groups among others are terrible for society.

We should learn skills in school, not about how different we are (If indeed we are so)

The whole system needs an overhaul but it was designed to be this way.

Divide and conquer. Simple as that. Keep ourselves fighting among one other so we're too distracted to fight our real problems.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

Wow. Just... wow.


If the classes are truly open only to students of certain ethnic backgrounds (which I have a hard time believing as ethnic studies classes were open to all when I was in college), then I agree with the bill.

In all other circumstances this is completely ridiculous. What classes are provided should be up to the school and only the school (or possibly the school district). Why do we need the government to step in and tell us what we can and cannot learn about?

What angers me most about this is that many of those who support this bill will claim to be against big government in all forms. Obviously, that only applies when they don't get their way. If they agree with it, then by all means let the government come in and tell us exactly what we can and can't learn.

Exactly.... The very first thing that came to my mind too

It's a hell of a hard row to hoe with such a high level of cognitive dissonance going on.

Originally posted by star in a jar
Personally I don't think they should teach ethnic studies in school, just general history. We don't need divisions in society... Latino pride, White pride, Persian pride groups among others are terrible for society.

Divide and conquer. .

That is one way to look at it

Keep in mind that teaching about other cultures is also a very good way to
expose, de-stigmatize and demystify the nature and origins of exotic peoples.

Knowledge itself, cannot make you a racist or a bigot

Racially motivated pride groups are pretty weak IMO

Originally posted by Cuervo
Exactly. All these supposed "champions of liberty" are celebrating liberties being removed from us. Celebrating less liberties and more restrictions.

Why wouldn't these guys be upset? Since it has a negative impact on people of Mexican heritage, they don't feel compelled to defend this restrictive law? Hypocrites. All of them

See, the problem is a lack of education in basic subjects like English.

For example, some people have never learned the difference in meaning between the worlds "liberty" and "entitlement."

This law does not take away liberty. In fact it's an expression of liberty. The people of Arizona had free elections. Their representatives who were elected passed this law. That's liberty.

Expecting the state to tax all of it's citizens' labor and property to fund hispanic cultural classes in an "entitlement." Nobody is taking away your freedom to study whatever you want. They just don't want to pay for your special education.

What your complaint comes down to is you want other people to pay for something you want. If you think this form of eduction is valuable you are free to pursue it and fund it.

Not giving you my money so you can have what you want isn't an attack on your liberty, Cuervo.

Originally posted by MindF

This law does not take away liberty. In fact it's an expression of liberty. The people of Arizona had free elections. Their representatives who were elected passed this law. That's liberty.

I am sorry, but restricting the bounds of education to meet a political agenda is the opposite of liberty.
Fascist, totalitarian governments use political dictate to silence undesirable education.

It also sounds like the old south talking, equating tyranny with liberty.

Liberty is allowing people to do, learn and express what they will

Tyranny is attempting to silence and block these things based upon your contrary beliefs

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But this is exactly why our economy embraced a socialist value,so education could be paid for by all,no subject that students are willing to protest for should be too taboo for government spending to pay for...Why should students have to pay for a course that has just as much educational value as any other subject in todays curriculums.Its not like its a mandatory class,its an enrichment/elective type class,a class that most arizona students enjoy..

Originally posted by Janky Red

Originally posted by MindF

This law does not take away liberty. In fact it's an expression of liberty. The people of Arizona had free elections. Their representatives who were elected passed this law. That's liberty.

I am sorry, but restricting the bounds of education to meet a political agenda is the opposite of liberty.
Fascist, totalitarian governments use political dictate to silence undesirable education, it sounds
like the old south talking, equating tyranny with liberty.

You are entirely wrong.

Arizona has elected officials. People are free to vote for these officials. If people don't like what they do they vote them out of office.

If people don't like what the majority in Arizona does they are free to move to another state.

Perhaps a better education on what "Facism" and "totalitarian" and "tyranny" really means would have served you. Just because you don't agree with the will of the majority doesn't mean your liberties have been violated.