Osama Buried at Sea...within 24 hours. Really?

rumor is a video of the burial will be released

we all know it's fake of course

reply to post by DarthChrisious


Problem with that logic is Mohammed is considered the last prophet in Islam and Bin Laden is just a man from a rich Saudi family. He hasnt started any new religious movement and like I said, Islam forbids any form of idolatry. For instance, the Sunnis clash with the Shia because of differences in doctrine, like Shias worshiping at religious shrines which is completely frowned upon by Sunnis. This excuse put forth by the US governemnt completely contradicts the religious beliefs of Osama and his followers. If he was Shia, it would make a little more sense but a Wahhabist?

The governement is banking on the American people's ignorance towards Islam, to pass this lie.

So whens the withdrawal of a million troops begin?

But Obama mentioned that the body is under US custody during his speech.

You know the event is going to be scrutinized by people all over the world. All the government has to do is take a few reasonable steps to prove what they claim to have accomplished. I understand that there will always be the conspiracy theorists out there that will ALWAYS challenge it but if the proper steps were taken, reasonable people would be able to accept it for what it is.

The government has once again failed to take basic steps to prove the grandiose claim they have made.

Dumping the body in the sea within 24 hours is completely against all logic and reason. They have been looking for this guy for 10 years. They finally find him, launch an operation, kill him, manage to grab the body and fly it to the nearest boat just to have (I would hope) some sort of autopsy and DNA test and toss it overboard?

It smacks of destroying evidence.

You can not test the DNA without something to compare it to. What are they comparing it to? Did they have Osama's DNA? Well if they could gather a sample of his DNA then why could they not put their hands on him? Are they comparing it to one of his family member's DNA? Which family member is providing the sample?

Why not have the body independently tested to prove your claims? Why not take the time for some form of reasonable verification to prove it. Do not let the body touch American soil. Send it to another country, allow numerous scientists from neutral countries to take their own samples and test it. Something!

This whole "we killed him, take our word for it," is not very reasonable.

My theory is that Osama is in fact dead. Osama probably died, from his kidney failure or from an airstrike, a while ago. His minions probably destroyed the body shortly after so the United States would have absolutely no chance at verificaiton. TPTB probably found this out through various sources of intelligence and verified it, then the decision makers probably ordered this extravagant story be generated to stir American morale, divert attention from recent events or get certain people reelected.

I want to believe it and if it checks out to be true great. But, something inside me says something just is not right.

It's not that surprising. Did they really need a tomb that could be used as a symbol for these nutcases to worship? Dumping him in the ocean was a good idea. Not to mention, I don't think any country wanted to be stuck with his tomb.

I'm pretty sure there will be enough revenge repercussions as is, and burial at see is perfectly acceptable for Islamic matters as the 24 hour requirement is fulfilled (consider being at sea and away from land by more than a day) while also eliminating possible burial locations becoming a type of shrine and focal point. Sure, this could be a fake, but it could also be true and avoid additional problems with a body that could be accessed and turned into holy items such as pieces of saints (reliquaries) in the Catholic religion being given to cathedrals and such. Having nothing solid to honor while burial in acceptable manner might just save a few extra lives.

Originally posted by jaxnmarko
I'm pretty sure there will be enough revenge repercussions as is, and burial at see is perfectly acceptable for Islamic matters as the 24 hour requirement is fulfilled (consider being at sea and away from land by more than a day) while also eliminating possible burial locations becoming a type of shrine and focal point. Sure, this could be a fake, but it could also be true and avoid additional problems with a body that could be accessed and turned into holy items such as pieces of saints (reliquaries) in the Catholic religion being given to cathedrals and such. Having nothing solid to honor while burial in acceptable manner might just save a few extra lives.

Muslims dont have anything remotely close to the concept of saints and arent into idolatry. Do you forget all the riots in some Muslim countries over the punblished Danish cartoons depicting Mohammed? If some can be so fanatical over the reproduction on a piece of paper, you think the same fanatics would be making relics out of cloth?

Did the American government just rewrite the tenets of Islam last night without telling the billion Muslims on this planet?

if i worked for the CIA i would use this website as a heads up to all the questions people would have after a major questionable event. we here at ATS come up with all the possibilities as to what makes a story unbelievable.

I really don't think they followed proper "islamic practice"....they probably just threw the body overboard and treated it with no care...But they obviously cant say that so to make people happy they would state it was done in tradition.

reply to post by WilliamRikeronaSegway


That's exactly what I was saying! I was actually agreeing with your reply to jtripp! Lol I should have specified!

I heard an interesting theory, that in the fire fight the seals may have gotten a little carried away and riddled UBL's body with rounds, but the US wanted to make it seem like a clean kill so they dumped the body

reply to post by onehuman


It's not just you. Everyone I am running into today, common people are talking about this. I have a neighbor that is all gun-ho for the war on terror absolutely fuming mad that they just threw his body into the see without. She doesn't believe it and she is one of the sheople that believes everything. I told someone that had not heard the news yet and the conversation went like this.

Me: Did you hear they killed Osama?

Them: Who's Osama?

Me: Bin Ladin!

Them: Oh! Really?! When was this?

Me: Yesterday. They did a raid on his mansion in Pakistan and shot him twice in the head.

Them: Wow! That is great news.

Me: Yep. They confirmed it was him by DNA.

Them: Good. So we got him finally after all these years.

Me: Yep. After they confirmed it was him they dumped his body overboard into the ocean.

Them: WTF! Are you F-ing kidding me?!

Me: Nope.

Them: That's BS! haha...someone is lying to us. Who the hell is supposed to believe that?

If it was legit and true, we would have seen autopsy photo's and the burial at sea like we saw Hussein being hanged.


Anyone else find it strange (code name) Bin Laden (former CIA operative) he was living in a mansion in the rich area of afghanistan??


And,,,, the govt is demanding pakistan answer questions about helping him hide when he wasn't even in pakistan..

Very strange indeed. But to be devil's advocate: if they had a burial spot, it would be unearthed or just cause too much disturbance and problems from 'visitors,' whomever that may be.

I was kind of drunk the night I first saw that. The next morning when I awoke I had to ask someone, "Did I just dream it or did the news really say we dumped Bin Laden's corpse in the sea?" But we freakin' did. How odd. The (cover?) story is so plausible. People will debate endlessly to no end..in accordance with/not in accordance with Islamic law. Perhaps his body was horribly destroyed and the US did not want leaked images that would ostensibly cause extreme retaliation from Muslims etc... But how could the White House let those fears trump the inevitable call for total and utter proof that this man is finally dead? What the hell? People have been scouring history for final proof on Hitler's demise. It's pretty certain that Hitler died in a bunker, but the point is if the US or the Soviets had Hitler's body they probably would have kept for longer than 24 hrs.

reply to post by TrueLies


then why did musharraf complain about the US entering his soverign nation ?

Originally posted by onehuman
Im sure there probably isnt anything in their practice about being buried at sea. Im also guessing the burial within 24 hours part is correct. All I know is I read it, posted it earlier on another thread because I didnt want to start a new one, and then I discovery it is now gone from the article. I just find that curious. and like I mentioned earlier, Fox is supposedly reporting it as well, I just can't seem to bring it up. Not that I am a Fox fan mind you.

edit: Now I got it to come up

LINK

HAHA Funny how everyone dislikes Fox News but always seem to go to there website or watch them on tv

He's probably in a top secret cell being tortured for information. I would sing like a bird if they hit my nuts with any type of voltage. If he's still alive, then you can bet we will see all his cronies get one shotted soon on the news. I don't believe in conspiracy's that much, but he would be worth more alive to the US then dead. After all he knows his own organization better then anyone,and if we think he's dead,they could tortured him without impunity.

if it's true then watch the news, they supposedlyly have hard drives and papers he had with him. it would make a great back story instead of him being alive.

reply to post by SusieX


i don't think they'd make his resting place a "shrine" per se, but to say that religious zealots(remember, you said they're "not considered muslims by other muslims") or those generally anti-american(in a violent way) wouldn't visit it(or "make pilgrimage")? i'd disagree.

and he may actually BE in an unmarked grave, and they just say they dumped him at sea to prevent exhumation.