Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

reply to post by BiggyMcBigPants

It is only human nature to believe in something so strongly that no evidence, regardless of how compelling, will dissuade someone. Not shocking at all that once the birth cert. has been released there are still people that will not believe it. I weep for the future of this country /smh
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Yes your right! The people who want to believe that their god was born in the US will not accept that he would deceive them with lies and fake documents!

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Originally posted by Annee
Authenticity of documents can not be determined on line. Period!

I have to address this statement.

When they released the COLB on-line we were told that that was PERFECT PROOF.
But now we have the BC released on-line and we are being told on-line is NOT good enough?

Which way do you want it because you can't have it both.
Just asking...

I joined ATS (though I'm a long-time lurker) just to weigh in on this issue. I was amazed at what I saw when I looked at this PDF up-close.

First, I'm a well-schooled and professional graphic artist, and have been for decades. I voted for Obama, am a democrat and am not considered anything even remotely close to a "birther." I thought all of this birth certificate bunk was hogwash, but now I'm not so sure.

Not only is it plausible that this birth certificate was somehow modified from the original, it's the only explanation. You cannot, I repeat, cannot create a PDF from a scanned image and have it automagically break down into separate, distinct components--complete with alpha channels no less. It's impossible. As in, absolutely, utterly impossible.

The ONLY way this could happen is if it is constructed in a desktop publishing solution, and then a PDF is created from that. Why they would have done this will remain a mystery, I'm sure, but you can bet your life that that's just how it happened.

reply to post by crudos


Layers is possibly a miss-used terminology - clipping paths/bounding boxes and or artifacts shouldn't be present in a scanned pdf, IMHO.

Originally posted by naycalvert
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

I've opened scanned pdfs from Xerox, Canon, Brother and HP printers in InDesign and illustrator and I've never encountered layers, artifacts or bounding boxes

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In my experience, I run into all sorts of messes when opening up PDF's in Illustrator. Bounding boxes, blank text fields, lines, boxes, etc... Alot of these PDF's are created in low-end programs and create alot of extra junk, and Illustrator picks up all of it. Again, that is my experience.

Originally posted by Bonified Ween
Your not using it right

Shift+Ctrl+L? Original file from whitehouse. No?

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Agree with that - me also being a lurker and a professional graphic designer!

Originally posted by naycalvert
reply to post by crudos
Layers is possibly a miss-used terminology - clipping paths/bounding boxes and or artifacts shouldn't be present in a scanned pdf, IMHO.

Where all of us failed - Adobe Acrobat is going to bring down the presidency.

Originally posted by Bonified Ween

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
The left side is depressed because every week each state places all births in that week in a binder so that there aren't a thousand sheets of paper that could get lost. This is to keep the state offices neat and clean.

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!

Who said anything about the page being depressed? This PDF can be taken apart into different layers in Illustrator, it means it was built using Adobe illustrator. What is so hard to understand about that? When you scan something its ONE IMAGE. A scanner does not scan 5 images and put them into one JPG or whatever file your assuming. This has 5 different images embedded in the one PDF all layered.

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All you need to do is to look at it in Illustrator and you can see the document has not been scanned (which would produce a flat, 1 layer file) but has in fact been created with several pieces in different files. I'm no birther, but the file doesn't lie. It's been constructed. And I've used Illustrator and Photoshop close to 20 years now so I know what he is talking about and he is correct.

Originally posted by crudos
I feel something is being confused here. When you open the original PDF in Illustrator, there are NO layers present. When you do a select all and release the clipping path, then you see the artifacts left over from the scanning program. There are still no layers present. This was not and is not a layered file, nor was it ever. I am quite confident of that.

I just looked at it in InkScape again.. You are right.. it's not layers -- its groups. There is a single layer, but artifacts grouped together.

I like the explaination of image enhancement software -- possibly as a plugin for a scanning and archiving process. It would explain the anomalies and the grouping.

Originally posted by PrinceDreamer
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

No this references that illustrator layers and Acrobat layers are handled differently, and that any slide layers that are created within acrobat may not work correctly. These layers are both different to Photoshop layers also.

It is not saying that transferring a Illustrator graphic to PDF will create new or additional layers

layers still need to be manually created whether in Acrobat or Illustrator (Or any other imaging/editing software)

You can try for yourself if you have both products, scan an image, and then send to Acrobat PDF it wont create layers for you

You need a few more things
1) knowledge of what program they are using for scanning. I think it is probably a bigboy product such as a filenet product, perhaps something from indus, etc...these are high bulk mass scanning programs that most countys and big businesses use (I installed the scanning software for my county in the 90s).
Then you need the process done in getting the original pdf, see how its broken down.

These things are not done with some guy and a scanner...this is industrial strength stuff. all criminal records are stored this way, all offical documents, as its the only legal method for scanning and storage.

saying you downloaded a copy of it online and opened it up into illustrator showing the layers means nothing at all (especially since the layers show bleedthrough at that..making it look, if anything, redundant verses digitally altered information).

Its been over a decade since I was working in this field, so I am a bit rusty, but I do remember halos as the norm...in saying that, the product I was supporting (the FYI package) was wonky enough on a good day. we had to make a custom viewer just to support the pdf properly..

if the issue is that opening this specific format from a bigboy product in illustrator is creating nerfdom, well, that isn't suprising for old school scanning...or if I am reading adobe correctly, even new scanning to pdf.

so again everybody is lying?...then nothing will convince you if not this....so what is the point.;..you'll never...and i mean NEVER believe that Obama was born in the U.S.....so, who cares about trying to convince you people....i don't...and nobody else will care either. it has become a useless circle jerk for you people.

What really struck me is the fact that there is no Soc. Sec. #'s on it. My long form has both my parents soc. sec. #'s on it, and the Mother section is much, much larger than that of "Obama's", and is before the Father section on mine. Consider it for two seconds.... A Woman is the one actually giving the birth, so why would she come second to the father, ever? Especially considering the dad can up and leave whenever.

Originally posted by crudos
I feel something is being confused here. When you open the original PDF in Illustrator, there are NO layers present. When you do a select all and release the clipping path, then you see the artifacts left over from the scanning program. There are still no layers present. This was not and is not a layered file, nor was it ever. I am quite confident of that.

I'm sticking with you - - YOU sound like you know what you are talking about.

I have done this stuff before - - but am not proficient at it.

It can also make a difference if you are using Mac or PC - - what versions - versions of programs - etc.

There are variables.

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I agree, but if if was created by a low end program this would mean it is not original. If this is genuine, they would have scanned it in and there would be no artifacts, as scanned Pdfs, usually sent from multi-function office printers/copier are flattened.

The PDF was downloaded straight from the Whitehouse site from a link inside THIS THREAD

Now, us "birther s" (proud to be one) have to worry that this little BS act does not turn people off to this issue. Some might not realize that another fraud has happened! This guy desperately needs to go to jail, along with who ever protects him. I don't think people realize how serious and deep this goes. It is like something you would see in the movies, only we are really going to loose the US for real!

Originally posted by naycalvert
reply to post by crudos

 

I agree, but if if was created by a low end program this would mean it is not original. If this is genuine, they would have scanned it in and there would be no artifacts, as scanned Pdfs, usually sent from multi-function office printers/copier are flattened.

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By low-end program, I mean the scanning program itself. It must have some kind of text recognition capabilities present to make the artifacts. The other possibility is that the original is a plain piece of paper and to make this legal, needs the special background inserted into the scan. I think another poster talked about this, but these long threads make it hard to remember who said what, and where.

The insane birthers strike again!!!

Doesn't matter if Obama proves he was born in this country or not, these people will stop at nothing.

Unpatriotic and Ungrateful.

Originally posted by rogerstigers
It is interesting... The scanned image would appear to have been altered before placing on the green bar background. It looks like it was scanned and then they removed the background so that it would be transparent and placed it on the green bar. This would leave white blurs around the letters due to the anti-aliasing effect of a scanner.


Not sure why there would need to go to such lengths. I don't necessarily buy that the content of the birth certificate is faked, but it seems a little extravegant for them to have gone through so much trouble to remove the original background of the scanned document.

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I also find this interesting.

I wish I knew more about certain processes, but I can tell people this;

With certain scanning programs, it treats words and numbers separately than it does pictures.

Here is a description of what OmniPage does (I use it in our office all the time):

OmniPage converts images such as scanned paper documents and PDF files into document file formats used by computer applications such as Microsoft Word, Excel, and Adobe Acrobat, and into HTML.[citation needed] The software is compatible with standard interfaces such as TWAIN and WIA, thereby covering virtually all of the scanner and multi-function devices on the market; it is often bundled with such devices.[citation needed] OmniPage supports more than 120 different languages.[7] The software is marketed in two different versions, one directed mainly to industrial or higher level professionals, which includes a number of additional features including advanced speech software for the production of audio-books, and a more basic version oriented for personal use. Multi-platform versions of the software are also available (which work with the various versions of the Windows and Mac OS X operating systems).[c

I know that here at work it would separate them as layers for easy editing and such and then you can decide to rebuild it as a PDF.

I am not saying it is forged, or not. I am saying that products like these do break up varying items (pics vs text) and layers them for easy editing.

Just an idea.

I personally can not comment on this, but if I was to debunk the "layer" theory, this is where I would check first.