Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

Originally posted by ken10
Seen this question posted elsewhere....

The BC lists obama's mums race as "Caucasian" But lists his dads race as "African"......Is African a race ?....Surely it would be Negroid, No ? ............Especially in 1961.

The clerk fills out what the parent tells them.

Originally posted by Schkeptick
This thread is BOGUS.

I opened up Illustrator and the long-form & found what OP mentioned.

Then I opened a random PDF I had created myself - which I knew was from a single image.

Illustrator randomly broke down my single image into different parts, which I could easily select and hide from view, as he has done here. My single image was broken into at least FIFTY parts - BY THE PROGRAM. I opened up several different PDF files to confirm - and every single one did the exact same thing.

This is something that Illustrator does for editing purposes. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the birth certificate itself.

This is a screenshot of what the long-form b.c. looks like when I open it in Illustrator (I trimmed both images or else they would be too big):

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1d6d9a80cc67.gif[/atsimg]

And here is my random PDF file:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d315facbf18a.gif[/atsimg]

I *know* that my file is a single page of text, but Illustrator breaks it down into many, many pieces. The only reason my document is broken down into text pieces & the b.c. shows "clipping paths" is that Illustrator doesn't recognize the old typewriter as any known font.

I hope the OP just doesn't really understand his program and is not intentionally pulling a hoax on ATS.

Yes, good stuff Schkeptick, again I was too absorbed in minutiae. Thanks for making a much clearer post.

Originally posted by Rocky Black
You could be the doctor who delivered him at the hospital in Kenya and they would call you a liar to your face and call you a birther.

I knew it was fake to begin with.

Listen If I was the president and there was nothing to hide the first day someone came out and said something it would have been released that day with a yes and what is next.

I would not have hired attorneys and spent million of tax payer dollars to prevent its release.

WHY??
Because it is a fake plain and simple .People are gonna believe what they want to belive ..Me, I think it is fake just because the way he handled it and nothing more.

Fake BS fraud

Then don't bother posting.

Anyone can do what you just did there and being stubborn and unwilling to open their mind.

It's pretty easy to say "Hey I know he's a fraud I don't need facts to prove anything"

Well yeah that's probably why you are completely wrong then, eh?

Assumptions are assumptions, but do not provide definitive results.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Can somebody explain this for me? Go to the post I just linked too and I would love to hear the explanation for that.

So they faked his birth certificate, in a amateur manner even.

They must be arrogant enough to think this wont hit the media.

Originally posted by ericsnow

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by rogerstigers
This is what is leading me to believe it was some wonky artifact of the way it was scanned or generated. It's way to odd of an anomaly to be explained as a "blatant forgery". A blatant forgery would be a blank form with a layer of text.. that's not what we see here.

This I agree with. Different equipment and programs - - generate things differently.

There is a Republican elected official - - who went to the actual health department in Hawaii - - saw the long form herself - - and has verified its existence. I can't remember her name. That works for me.

BULL! Who are you and how much are they paying you?

BULL? That a Rep verified the long form?

I heard the recording of her verification on a talk radio show yesterday. Maybe they faked that too.

A scanner will digitize an image into one layer.

This image is in several layers. Each layer contains a section of the overall image, and each layer is separate. Each component was obtained independently, and then they were all put together similar to if you had several sheets of transparencies for an overhead projector. Once they are all stacked together, it looks as if they are all part of the same image.

This is done in adobe by a command called "flatten image." What it does is take all of the layers and squeeze them into one layer, and saving the file as a single, contiguous image. Neglecting to do this before saving means that you can go back and rearrange the parts later. Neglecting to do this on a final release means you've left proof that your image is a frankenstein creation from several different pieces.

What this means is that the document has been forged, pieces of it coming from several different independent sources.


Period.

Originally posted by prizim

Originally posted by Bonified Ween

Originally posted by prizim
The problem here is that you do not know how a scanner works.

Sorry, you are incorrect.

Uh dude, you can bring the file in Illustrator and see for yourself. You don't understand how digital forgery works.

Perhaps you will want to rescind this statement once you figure out whats going on.

You cannot open a scanned document into illustrator and decide whether or not a document is forged.

Sorry, you are incorrect.

en.wikipedia.org...

The scanned result is a non-compressed RGB image, which can be transferred to a computer's memory.

A scanner will scan and create a color value for each pixel.
It takes the combined pixels and stuffs them into an adobe pdf.
There should be NO CLIPPING MASK'S at ALL, it should be one raster image.
Someone did something to it after it was scanned.

Im not saying its fake, but its not straight from the scanner.

I dont really care anyway, this does not change the fact that the president is an incompetent egomaniac.

But feel free to pay attention to this, while the dollar crash... or have you not noticed ?

Originally posted by Bonified Ween

Originally posted by Danbones
here we go again

I would be interested to see incorporation papers for a Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital in Hawaii. Bet one doesn't exist.
This is no small thing. Also, this "new" Birth Certificate does not have the name or signature of a doctor, just an attendant
This clearly shows (but is subject to `citation` on Wiki) that as of 1978 (up to the date of the actual merger) the maternity part of the hospital was still known as the Kapi`olani Maternity Home.

Therefore this would have been the case in 1961 when BO was born !!!!

So, where did they get the name : KAPIOLANI MATERNITY & GYNECOLOGICAL HOSPITAL ???????????

www.rense.com...

Haha this just gets better and better! Thanks for that

Yeah, but Bonifide everyone knows Rense is just a bunch of crap, right?

Jeff Rense himself thinks he's Gary Spivey...(ok so not THAT bad).

Rense:



Spivey:



I frequented that joint years ago and every damned conspiracy is a Zionist Plot this and Zionist plot that.

Most of the things on that site that are relevant are taken from other sources.

Lions and Tigers and Zionists Oh My!

Originally posted by 30_seconds
A scanner will digitize an image into one layer.

This image is in several layers. Each layer contains a section of the overall image, and each layer is separate. Each component was obtained independently, and then they were all put together similar to if you had several sheets of transparencies for an overhead projector. Once they are all stacked together, it looks as if they are all part of the same image.

What this means is that the document has been forged, pieces of it coming from several different independent sources.

Period.

Actually if you read above, this seems to be a property of Adobe Illustrator.

Everyone who is skeptical over the multiple layers needs to read this post:

Originally posted by Schkeptick
This thread is BOGUS.

I opened up Illustrator and the long-form & found what OP mentioned.

Then I opened a random PDF I had created myself - which I knew was from a single image.

Illustrator randomly broke down my single image into different parts, which I could easily select and hide from view, as he has done here. My single image was broken into at least FIFTY parts - BY THE PROGRAM. I opened up several different PDF files to confirm - and every single one did the exact same thing.

This is something that Illustrator does for editing purposes. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the birth certificate itself.

This is a screenshot of what the long-form b.c. looks like when I open it in Illustrator (I trimmed both images or else they would be too big):

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1d6d9a80cc67.gif[/atsimg]

And here is my random PDF file:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d315facbf18a.gif[/atsimg]

I *know* that my file is a single page of text, but Illustrator breaks it down into many, many pieces. The only reason my document is broken down into text pieces & the b.c. shows "clipping paths" is that Illustrator doesn't recognize the old typewriter as any known font.

I hope the OP just doesn't really understand his program and is not intentionally pulling a hoax on ATS.

Originally posted by scghst1
What really struck me is the fact that there is no Soc. Sec. #'s on it. My long form has both my parents soc. sec. #'s on it,

That means nothing. SSNs for newborns are issued AFTER they are born. You must send the SSA your BC in order to obtain one. And I do not see why a parent's SSN would be on it. My original does not have anyone's SSN on it.

ETA....not sure if anyone else answered this first....I just responded before looking

Originally posted by crudos

Connector is correct here. Thanks for pushing your post back up again. I was getting too absorbed in the technical details of scanning software and the artifacts they can create, etc....

Thanks Connector and Crudos.

Its been a few years since I dealt with documents. I'm not proficient - but know enough to know when someone knows what they are talking about.

reply to post by Schkeptick


Your PDF is all plain text, Illustrator recognizes the text...What is happening the the BC PDF is totally different...there is a lot of masking going on...see the groups and the clipping paths? Those do not exist in your PDF. Those are clearly done by a person. Try changing each group's visibility one by one and you'll see that only the important data dissapears

Originally posted by Connector

Originally posted by Connector
You people do realize this PDF was created by the Hawaiian Hospital, not the WH, right?

You do realize that Hawaii switched to electric BC records in 2001, right?

You do realize that the hospital uses OCR scanning ( which may require 2, 3 passes[layers] especially with hand writing) on old vaulted originals from before 2001( printed on plain white paper) and places the layers onto new current print stock, right?

You can NEVER obtain your original BC. They will only produce copies( using graphic software or photo-copying, etc. depending on the state procedure) that are designed to meet CURRENT legal requirements ( tamper proof design, watermarks, etc.).

If anyone is at fault, it's the technician at the hospital who didn't flatten the image and then passed it on with the new print out, BC package.~ETA~ or the post below may explain why people are getting layers in Illustrator, I get no layers in Photoshop CS5....

Do you really think that if this conspiracy is real, with all the power that people attribute to it (i.e. numerous people lying, ads in newspapers 50yrs ago, etc.) They would release a doc that can be questioned?

~ETA~ In other words, this is how they make BCs in Hawaii now.......

God this crap will never end.......as the world sinks into oblivion

edit on 27-4-2011 by Connector because: (no reason given)

Quoting myself here, since people are still not understanding why layers maybe showing up in some programs.

The Hawaiian officials CREATE BCs nowadays. Do you really think the green background is from the '60's?

God people open your heads!!!!!!!!

I'm outta here.......this is useless.......

By your own explanation, anyone can obtain one of these Hawaiian BC then insert it into Illustrator, then create fake BC for whoever they want. In other words, it is not a very secure method to use. By the way, I did not know that you could have a BC emailed to you. I thought they were mailed out, as you need an official copy, with state seal, which an electronic copy would not have.

Originally posted by ericsnow

Now how much is the Southern Poverty Law Center paying you? Or do you work for Cass Sustein?

This is PAINFUL that some of you still don't believe it's a fake. Either you're speaking out of total ignorance or you really do work for a counter intelligence agency. Simple as that.

edit on 27-4-2011 by ericsnow because: (no reason given)

Hands up.....you sussed me.......I did it for money............I was too expensive for Trump!

From the source several weeks ago:

On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated ...



Adobe Illustrator is not, repeat not, and repeat yet once again not a general purpose PDF file editor. Opening any arbitrary PDF file in Adobe Illustrator other than PDF files saved in that version of later of Adobe Illustrator with the editability option (which saves the Illustrator document editing data as private data within the PDF file) may result in content loss or corruption.

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PDF layers are part of an overall feature known as optional content in PDF and are conceptually very different than Illustrator layers. Since PDF optional content features in general are very much a superset of Illustrator layers (PDFMaker for PowerPoint uses optional content to handle certain slide build features, for example), there would be no easy way for Illustrator to readily pick and choose what optional content features to support and translate. As such, don't expect this to be "rectified" in any way in future Illustrator releases.



(To make things even more interesting, both PDF and Illustrator layers are very different than Photoshop layers which allow for defined interactions between layers such as masking!)

Dov Isaacs

From the adobe forums.
Basically, scanning in PDF = immediate wonkification and pseudo-layers if opened in illustrator if I am grasping what this is saying.

Which means the whole open in illustrator or use illustrator in general at any step of the process = wonkyness abound.

Take it for what you will.

add: Source of that clip

-Brought forward due to relevance

reply to post by 30_seconds


You are plain wrong. The thread I've pasted below demonstrates that this is not a layered, forged document. Try it yourself, I did and got exactly the same results as Schkeptick.

reply to post by Schkeptick

Originally posted by Sacriligeous
reply to post by Schkeptick

 

Your PDF is all plain text, Illustrator recognizes the text...What is happening the the BC PDF is totally different...there is a lot of masking going on...see the groups and the clipping paths? Those do not exist in your PDF. Those are clearly done by a person. Try changing each group's visibility one by one and you'll see that only the important data dissapears

Yeah but as I said before a product such as OmniPage would do that.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by ken10
Seen this question posted elsewhere....

The BC lists obama's mums race as "Caucasian" But lists his dads race as "African"......Is African a race ?....Surely it would be Negroid, No ? ............Especially in 1961.

The clerk fills out what the parent tells them.

Exactly. That's why we cannot assume that the information on this Certificate of Live Birth is accurate......