Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

Originally posted by kaiode1
I love how most of the people that are skeptical of the information in this thread refuse to try and understand how the software works. They don't try to refute the claims made in the post, they just make insults and call people names. "Ridicule is the best way to crush dissension."

There is no desire for truth here...they are simply seeking whatever the most simple of minds will cling onto without it being too easy to debunk in a sentence or two.

meh...the movement was never based in logic or skepticism anyhow.

it "feels" like a fake, therefore its a fake...you cannot reason with most birthers.

High quality scanners can and do scan to .pdf format and can separate aspects of the scanned images (especially text) into layers. PDF is also commonly used for document distribution.

It wasn't edited.

reply to post by Bonified Ween


If real, then layer artifacts that you have found are so rudimentary and simple to avoid that they could only be intentional. Which is to say that IF you are correct (a big if, as far as I'm concerned) then they were intentionally left there so that the controversy can continue.

Why?

Because, now Obama has the advantage of having done everything in his power to settle this matter while still allowing for a large portion of the population to continue behaving and looking like complete and utter nutjobs who can't seem to find material problems with Obama's presidency and instead focus on a completely ridiculous sideshow.

Remember: BIRTHERISM HELPS OBAMA. People who buy into the Birther movement do not and generally never have and certainly never will support Obama. Why would he care what they think? In the meantime, people who are inclined to support Obama see his opposition as a bunch of nutty clowns.

Originally posted by ItsAnOddFuture
High quality scanners can and do scan to .pdf format and can separate aspects the scanned images (especially text) into layers. PDF is also commonly used for document distribution.

It wasn't edited.

What scanners? Just curious. As for Saturn....

So the program knew to separate 90% of the text of the document from the background containing 3 different signatures of the mother / registrar / and doctor ? By god thats amazing! Also, if you notice your two screenshots. The birth cert has "Groups" Clipping Paths with Masks whereas you have "layers of text". Two different things sir. Also look at the groups of the birth cert, underneath each contains the word IMAGE which relates to the IMAGES within that group, whereas again your posting text from a "random document". Again, oranges and apples. How about that 5 million in attorney fee's he's spent in the past 2 years trying to keep this very thing from going public only to release it?

screw it, I am not bringing forward the adobe response anymore..

folks, go back a bit if this is curious, there is a statement (from weeks ago) about the issue in opening up pdf's in illustrator.

If you wish to know the truth here, look back again
if your looking to form birtherism into a religion, then just keep on keeping on I guess.

I never was a birther.. not really...

I will say this though since you guys are attacking the OP so heavily... He said one thing that is absolutely true..

The PDF is comprised of AI layers... That will only happen if the image was created in Adobe Illustrator.... If you've never used Adobe Illustrator before then you shouldn't try to debunk this as you will have no idea wtf you are talking about. A scanned PDF document will never have image layers no matter which way you slice it... (unless it's after slicing it )

I still think Obama was born in the states, but I have a feeling this was created to shut the birthers up anyway...

Of course this is only my Opinion and does not reflect the views and opinions of abovetopsecret.com or the above network...

Originally posted by Bonified Ween

Originally posted by ItsAnOddFuture
High quality scanners can and do scan to .pdf format and can separate aspects the scanned images (especially text) into layers. PDF is also commonly used for document distribution.

It wasn't edited.

What scanners? Just curious. As for Saturn....

So the program knew to separate 90% of the text of the document from the background containing 3 different signatures of the mother / registrar / and doctor ? By god thats amazing! Also, if you notice your two screenshots. The birth cert has "Groups" Clipping Paths with Masks whereas you have "layers of text". Two different things sir. Also look at the groups of the birth cert, underneath each contains the word IMAGE which relates to the IMAGES within that group, whereas again your posting text from a "random document". Again, oranges and apples.

edit on 27-4-2011 by Bonified Ween because: (no reason given)

that wasn't my post, just forwarded it

as far as what I provided was the statement from the people at adobe about issues opening pdf's in illustrator.

eventually you see that this issue is a non issue...or not if you don't want to I guess.

moving on then...

I do not consider myself a "birther" but i do think he was not born in the US. I don't think it matters, we won't be able to prove anything.

The real facts, regardless of what anyone says is, he failed to show it, he somehow was able to go through his whole life without it, which is BS.

I've needed it for every job since i was 16, i needed it to drive, i needed it for a passport, everything.

It should be simple, well where is it? Oh here.

No.

Obama isn't in charge, bush wasn't in charge, clinton wasn't incharge, anyone who believes in any of this political nonsense in my eyes is just a sheep, who cares, do something about it instead of bickering over a #ing birth certificate that obviously wasn't available for all these years.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
screw it, I am not bringing forward the adobe response anymore..

folks, go back a bit if this is curious, there is a statement (from weeks ago) about the issue in opening up pdf's in illustrator.

If you wish to know the truth here, look back again
if your looking to form birtherism into a religion, then just keep on keeping on I guess.

I've used illustrator and I've used InkScape, both having the same results of these being in groups of bitmap images. And I am not a birther, I am a truther.

I was going to try to load it to AI, but I'm not able to view it on the link you provided.

Originally posted by sixneuproele
I was going to try to load it to AI, but I'm not able to view it on the link you provided.

edit on 27-4-2011 by sixneuproele because: (no reason given)

Yes the machine is busy trying to kill it, it was on Drudge for awhile on a blog that was killed. Then it was a youtube video and then there was the google document, which google has now deleted. Anything that drudge linked to is now dead.

reply to post by Bonified Ween


Of course you're getting the same results

Scan your long form birth certificate, open it in Illustrator, and you'll get the same or similar results...depending on the quality and resolution of your scanner.

THE TOPIC IS ABOUT HIS BIRTH CERT OK I GET IT BUT CAN SOMEONE TELL ME Y I KEEP GETTING BLOCK FOR ASKING FOR HIS FOOT PRINT ON HIS BIRTH CERT EVERYONE HAS IT Y DOESNT HE HAVE ONE

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by Bonified Ween

 

Of course you're getting the same results

Scan your long form birth certificate, open it in Illustrator, and you'll get the same or similar results...depending on the quality and resolution of your scanner.

How about you scan your long form birth cert and prove me wrong. Thanks for playing

Originally posted by Bonified Ween

Originally posted by SaturnFX
screw it, I am not bringing forward the adobe response anymore..

folks, go back a bit if this is curious, there is a statement (from weeks ago) about the issue in opening up pdf's in illustrator.

If you wish to know the truth here, look back again
if your looking to form birtherism into a religion, then just keep on keeping on I guess.

I've used illustrator and I've used InkScape, both having the same results of these being in groups of bitmap images. And I am not a birther, I am a truther.

from the Inkscape wiki:

Commercial Proprietary Software. Retails for roughly $500 USD alone but is also available as part of the Adobe Creative Suite. Educational discounts can vary greatly.

So Inkscape is an adobe product, aka, same code

now for fracks sakes, do your bloody research...stop making the reasonables do the googling for you already!

I think there's a general misconception about how scanning a document works in relation to the creation of a PDF document. Also, for the record, this and any other PDF can be opened by a multitude of programs out there aside from Adobe's products (as I, myself, have done).

When scanning a document, certain programs (that are OCR-enabled) can and will attempt to distinguish text from graphics, and break the document into their various parts. The success of doing so varies depending on the quality of the original document and the typeface used. In my experience and in my opinion, there is no scanning software that will break apart a scanned document into various images (elements), complete with an alpha channel (transparency), which happens to be the case here.

Some have argued and posted pictures of a scanned document broken into various layers, but these layers are being detected as text, not bitmapped graphics.

Also, the elements in the birth certificate aren't layers. I believe the OP used the term "layers" to put it more into layman's terms than anything else. They are elements (that can be individually moved, sized or otherwise transformed).

reply to post by FOXTROOPER


Because anyone who has taken one moment to look into it knows that no legally issued US birth certificate has a footprint on it. You might as well claim everyone has a brain map on theirs, why doesn't he.

Birtherism is a very simple study. You just actually have to study.

Originally posted by FOXTROOPER
THE TOPIC IS ABOUT HIS BIRTH CERT OK I GET IT BUT CAN SOMEONE TELL ME Y I KEEP GETTING BLOCK FOR ASKING FOR HIS FOOT PRINT ON HIS BIRTH CERT EVERYONE HAS IT Y DOESNT HE HAVE ONE

From 3 seconds of the google machine

Most hospitals in the U.S. issue a souvenir birth certificate which typically includes the footprints of the newborn. However, these birth certificates are not legally accepted as proof of age or citizenship, and are frequently rejected by the Bureau of Consular Affairs during passport applications. Many Americans believe the souvenir records to be their official birth certificates, when in reality they hold little legal value.

damn folks...the hells wrong with you anyhow...google it before asking.

Stupidass chewbacca defense

Why can't I just eat my waffle?
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