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Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by derst1988
What was released was a Certificate of Live Birth. Not the real Birth Certificate
Not that birther lie again, Obama showed the only birth certificate Hawaii currently issues. It IS a birth certificate
Originally posted by balon0
This whole birthplace issue is ridiculous. Shouldn't this be something debated on and brought to attention
B E F O R E he ran for president?????
Originally posted by userid1
Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by syrinx high priest
And again, since you glossed over it.
He gave it up when he became Indonesian, IF he had it in the first place.
It would seem you've glossed over doing any research.
In order to give up your US Citizenship - you MUST write the State Dept and request revocation. Do you have any proof this was done? IF he had Indonesian citizenship, that did NOT automatically revoke or invalidate his US citizenship (feel free to check the State Dept web site for details).
Additionally, please show us where in the Constitution is says that anyone holding dual citizenship (US obviously being one of them) is ineligible to be President.
For that matter, show me where the SCOTUS has specifically decided what "natural born" really means since it certainly was NEVER defined in the Constitution.
Arizona Senate Bill 1308 passed out of committee yesterday by an 8-5 vote. This bill is a cleverly disguised attempt to protect President Obama from eligibility scrutiny. It does this by declaring persons born with dual citizenship as natural born citizens. But it does this in a very sneaky manner. That’s right. Arizona has now passed out of committee a bill which states that persons born with dual citizenship are natural born citizens of the United States. This same bill is being considered by all states party to the compact. So infamous congratulations to the 8 votes in Arizona who passed this unconstitutional bill to the full Senate floor. They’ve just declared those born as dual citizens eligible to be Commander In Chief of the US Armed Forces.
Anchor babies will not be eligible for US citizenship according to this bill, but Obama will be eligible to be POTUS. Looks like a deal was struck to protect Obama by attacking the citizenship of children born on US soil to illegal immigrant parents
Originally posted by truther357
First..If there is another Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama bc..and it is (1961) real? It would state that Obama was born in Kenya and his father's nationally would be stated as Negro and not African like the forgers at Fact Check and Politi Fact put on their 'illegal document' photo copy Obama birth certificate...Sure fooled the idiot's at the Federal Justice Dept.
Originally posted by ToneDeaf
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Not to derail the thread, but does anyone know what the symbol
is that Obama is wearing (on the chain) ?
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Originally posted by AuranVector
Originally posted by truther357
First..If there is another Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama bc..and it is (1961) real? It would state that Obama was born in Kenya and his father's nationally would be stated as Negro and not African like the forgers at Fact Check and Politi Fact put on their 'illegal document' photo copy Obama birth certificate...Sure fooled the idiot's at the Federal Justice Dept.
I can't stand Obama, but you should know that no one's "nationality" would be listed as "Negro."
Negro is a race, not a nationality.
Nationality should have been filled in as "Kenyan" -- not the generic "African" -- Africa is a huge continent with many nations.
AuranVector
Originally posted by Puck 22
reply to post by dereks
In Hawaii, the state that issues it, it is not considered valid I.D. and is not accepted when applying for a driver's license or even when trying to join the Boy Scouts.
Originally posted by AuranVector
Originally posted by truther357
First..If there is another Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama bc..and it is (1961) real? It would state that Obama was born in Kenya and his father's nationally would be stated as Negro and not African like the forgers at Fact Check and Politi Fact put on their 'illegal document' photo copy Obama birth certificate...Sure fooled the idiot's at the Federal Justice Dept.
I can't stand Obama, but you should know that no one's "nationality" would be listed as "Negro."
Negro is a race, not a nationality.
Nationality should have been filled in as "Kenyan" -- not the generic "African" -- Africa is a huge continent with many nations.
AuranVector
Originally posted by freedom12
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
OMG......are you kidding me? You're gonna claim that this is a real birth certificate from 1930? Let's point out the obvious first 1)Hawaii wasn't even a state til 1959, which is in the insignia at the top of your fake cerficate. 2) the technology used to make your "supposed 1930" certificate wasn't available then. I'd go on, but your picture of this is so obviously fake, why even bother??
Originally posted by dereks
Originally posted by derst1988
What was released was a Certificate of Live Birth. Not the real Birth Certificate
Not that birther lie again, Obama showed the only birth certificate Hawaii currently issues. It IS a birth certificate
Not that most people care but here are a few facts that are verifiable if one will look. I am not going to repeat the sources here because, personally, I don't think I can change any minds, and I don't want to relook them up because I investigated this a year ago.
Hawaii became a state in 1959. Obama was born in 1961.
At the time of Obama's birth Hawaii, having few natural born "citizens of the United States"...
...allowed others to verify birth.
In order for someone to be considered a U.S. citizen in Hawaii, a family member could simply file an affidavit declaring the birth of a child without producing the original Birth Certificate or the child. A sworn affidavit by a family member was sufficient.
Those same people could also submit notice of birth to the local newspapers making the announcement.
If someone wanted a foreign born family member to appear to be a natural born citizen, Hawaii was the place to do it since no proof was necessary. The fact that his grandparents lived in Hawaii made it an ideal situation to have their grandson appear to be natural born whether he was or not.
Telephones and telegrams were available in 1961.
Hawaii acknowledges the short form as legal proof of birth because their law in 1961 permitted the acquisition of citizenship by affidavit only. That is and was the law. However, it may or may not be the truth.
Article IV Section 1: Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
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According to 6 CFR 37.3 [Title 6. Homeland Security; Chapter I. Department of Homeland Security, Office of the Secretary; Part 37. Real Id Driver's Licenses and Identification Cards; Subpart A. General] the term certified copy of a birth certificate means “a copy of the whole or part of a birth certificate registered with the State that the State considers to be the same as the original birth certificate on file with the State Office of Vital Statistics or equivalent agency in a registrant's State of birth.”
(source)
On April 1, 2011, the US Department of State changed its requirements for birth certificates used as proof of citizenship for purposes of applying for a passport. Effective on that date, all certified birth certificates submitted as proof of citizenship must include the full names of both parents. In addition, the certified birth certificate must include the full name of the passport applicant, his or her date and place of birth, signature of the registrar, date the birth certificate was issued and a multicolored, embossed, raised or impressed seal from the birth certificate's issuing authority. The issuance date of your birth certificate must be within one year of your birth.
So the fact of the matter is, there actually may not be a Birth Certificate (long form)
and only the Certificate of Live Birth (the short form) which was obtained by affidavit.
I do not know but I would like to know.
There really isn't much riding on this except the integrity of our Constitution which has been shredded over the past 20 years or so but yet, I would like to still think the law matters.
It is because of these possibilities that there is a question in my mind about his birth.
A long form would satisfy my concerns.
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
It would not matter if his father was born in Australia or elsewhere as long as Obama was born in The USA he is eleigible as the qualification ruling applies to the minor and not the parents.
His dad could've been wanted in 12 nations and as long as his child is American born and bred that is the only thing that matters.
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874): In this case decided after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Court stated (pp. 167–68): The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.
Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the 'natural born' citizen is eligible to be President.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
It would not matter if his father was born in Australia or elsewhere as long as Obama was born in The USA he is eleigible as the qualification ruling applies to the minor and not the parents.
His dad could've been wanted in 12 nations and as long as his child is American born and bred that is the only thing that matters.
en.wikipedia.org...
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874): In this case decided after the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, the Court stated (pp. 167–68): The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.
Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163 (1964): The Court voided a statute that provided that a naturalized citizen should lose his United States citizenship if, following naturalization, he resided continuously for three years in his former homeland. We start from the premise that the rights of citizenship of the native-born and of the naturalized person are of the same dignity and are coextensive. The only difference drawn by the Constitution is that only the 'natural born' citizen is eligible to be President.edit on 26-4-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
i love how so many people ignore how he fraudulently used multiple ss numbers from people who were dead. not that thats illegal in any way or anything
given the above, it isn't so hard to believe that his true birth certificate shows indonesia as his birthplace. i think it will eventually come out. i'm willing to bet that trump already has damning evidence, and that hes saving it for the 2012 campaign.
its all a show anyways, written to captivate the observers and make them think their votes actually matter.
Originally posted by AuranVector
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
i love how so many people ignore how he fraudulently used multiple ss numbers from people who were dead. not that thats illegal in any way or anything
given the above, it isn't so hard to believe that his true birth certificate shows indonesia as his birthplace. i think it will eventually come out. i'm willing to bet that trump already has damning evidence, and that hes saving it for the 2012 campaign.
its all a show anyways, written to captivate the observers and make them think their votes actually matter.
I can't stand Obama, but where did you come up with Obama born in Indonesia?
Barry's mother had no connection to Indonesia when Barry was born. It was a few years after Barry was born.