Hawaiian Senator said Obama not releasing long-form BC to hide identity or citizenship of his father

reply to post by jaxnmarko


Are we just down to vaguely insulting "birthers" via your suspect predictions?

God itself could present me the Long-form BC with a state seal, signed by Jesus, Buddha, Superman, and Mighty Thor and it still wouldn't qualify him for presidency, it's actually a non-issue and a Red Herring from the major media.

The real issue is the citizenship of his father.

If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.

I can answer that... How about a LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE! whatyaknow! all he has to do is show it and end this debate.

and for those saying he has proven it by showing the certificate of live birth that is a total joke. hawaii was desperate to have people come live in hawaii when they entered the union, so they made it extremely easy to get this 'unofficial' bc. you didn't even have to be born in hawaii you just had to apply for it.

and for those saying when you lose a bc you only get the short bc now and not the long and it doesn't matter if you are joe schmoe or obama... do you guys take yourselves seriously? i think it does matter when joe schmoe is well, just joe schmoe, and obama is the POTUS. i think that matters a lot!

what bothers me is i had to show my long form bc to just play little league baseball. but its not required to be POTUS now

something is fishy here. why doesn't he just show it and not spend millions to hide his past???????

you shills who blindly support this dumba$$ are not doing this country any good. forget your leftist ideology for just 2 minutes and put your country first por favor.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by Byteman
LMAO, a printed computer generated list?
How official.

Can I honestly ask you what you would accept as proof that Obama was born in Hawaii?

Who is this Soetoro/Obama and why are people without any intellectual integrity trying so hard to stop any questions about his real identity? theintelhub.com...

reply to post by ShakaDoodle


you are wise in your understanding...

portraying people as "conspiracy theorists", whether "birther," "truther," or other is the current modus operandi for those in control.

the person is maligned by merely posing a simple question, then "lumped" into a group and stereotyped by the very same people that tell us all to be politically correct...it is all very evil

in the end, the truth will win against the deceivers

you mean the kind of proof you give, when you showed a birth certificate from Hawaii from 1930
WHEN HAWAII WASN'T A STATE

dude, that was the funniest thing I've seen on ATS when someone called you out on it. i never laughed so hard all week. then you got flustered, took a while to respond and all you could come up with is. 'uhhh, I meant to do that' :lol

you are a typical BarryBoy. and its not just that post, a lot of your posts in all the threads you post in that are supposed to be fact are based in... well fantasy

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
he fraudulently used multiple ss numbers from people who were dead.

Can you prove this? And I don't mean with a link to a YouTube Video with scary music. I mean actual proof.

Originally posted by Homedawg
barrys being a drug mule and male prostitute

Can you prove these allegations?

Originally posted by Homedawg
There is anohter "Birth Certificate",locked in a vault,that contains much mor info than the one relased "on-line"..only the owner of tha cretificate can authorize th release of the document..

There is no way on this sweet Earth that Obama can release that document. It doesn't belong to him. It belongs to the State of Hawaii.

.thats the one I want to see,...

You have every right to want to see it, but no right whatsoever to see it.

reply to post by dereks


Care to do your own homework? No.
Okay, I'll educate you since you are ignorant of "birther" talking points.

Proof Obama had Indonesian citizenship

Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School, a public school, in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration in which it clearly states Obama’s name as “Barry Soetoro,” and lists his citizenship as Indonesian. Obama’s father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4, 1961 in Hawaii, and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher, took the actual footage of the school record. At the time Obama was registered the public schools obtained and verified the citizenship status and name of the student through the Indonesian Government. All Indonesian students were required to carry government identity cards, or Karty Tanda Pendudaks, as well as family card identification called a Kartu Keluarga. The Kartu Keluarga is a family card which bears the legal names and citizenship status of all family members.”

As far as Pakistan, I could argue my way out semantically and claim I meant it wasn't safe to travel there. I won't though I'll admit, that's one single one I got wrong.

It's too bad me being correct about Obama's Indonesian citizenship means he's disqualified from being president.

Originally posted by galactictuan
Malcolm X is his father.

'Nuff said.

Very close. His father is a Malcolm X type but not him. Trying researching activist/writer types his mother was associating with around the time he born. There is your secret answer!

Not that most people care but here are a few facts that are verifiable if one will look. I am not going to repeat the sources here because, personally, I don't think I can change any minds, and I don't want to relook them up because I investigated this a year ago..

Hawaii became a state in 1959. Obama was born in 1961.

At the time of Obama's birth Hawaii, having few natural born "citizens of the United States" allowed others to verify birth. In order for someone to be considered a U.S. citizen in Hawaii, a family member could simply file an affidavit declaring the birth of a child without producing the original Birth Certificate or the child. A sworn affidavit by a family member was sufficient. Those same people could also submit notice of birth to the local newspapers making the announcement. If someone wanted a foreign born family member to appear to be a natural born citizen, Hawaii was the place to do it since no proof was necessary. The fact that his grandparents lived in Hawaii made it an ideal situation to have their grandson appear to be natural born whether he was or not. Telephones and telegrams were available in 1961.

Hawaii acknowledges the short form as legal proof of birth because their law in 1961 permitted the acquisition of citizenship by affidavit only. That is and was the law. However, it may or may not be the truth.

So the fact of the matter is, there actually may not be a Birth Certificate (long form) and only the Certificate of Live Birth (the short form) which was obtained by affidavit. I do not know but I would like to know.

There really isn't much riding on this except the integrity of our Constitution which has been shredded over the past 20 years or so but yet, I would like to still think the law matters.

It is because of these possibilities that there is a question in my mind about his birth. A long form would satisfy my concerns.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Originally posted by pikypiky
Anyone could "falsify" "pieces of papers. I would like to "demand" DNA testing and may the blood sample(s) settle the matter once and for all. Then again that could be quite an invasion of privacy. But he and furture "presidential hopefuls" have nothing to hide, then there should be NO problem in proving futher proof to stop the noise of "birthers" and pals.

ummmm

how would DNA testing prove where he was born ?

Your right it will not prove where he is born. What it would do would prove either way the rumor that Lolo is his real father. I think not he looks half white and half negroid African to me. But then again I am not a doctor!

are you seriously referencing factcheck.org a known anti-birther propaganda website, hahahaha

uhhh... African is a continent, not a race. i have 5th generation WHITE friends from South Africa that are white and African if you are too dense to not understand the difference between a geographical location and a race.

and think about what you just quoted... because his parents gave the info, its ok so it goes on the 'short form' unofficial BC. ok, lets go with that. that just proves the short form which he showed is BS.

do you really think a long form OFFICIAL BC would accept a geographical location as a race?

do you really believe what you are saying? how much koolaid have you ingested?

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by Caji316
What? African IS NOT a race......Barry certificate says he is "African"...Opps.....Someone messed up on this

And a bit of research would have found

why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.
www.factcheck.org...

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by jaxnmarko

 

Are we just down to vaguely insulting "birthers" via your suspect predictions?

God itself could present me the Long-form BC with a state seal, signed by Jesus, Buddha, Superman, and Mighty Thor and it still wouldn't qualify him for presidency, it's actually a non-issue and a Red Herring from the major media.

The real issue is the citizenship of his father.

If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.

thor says look it up or suffer the wrath of mjollnir !!!

wow

deny ignorance indeed

external link

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:•Anyone born inside the United States *
•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S"

And CNN continues their anti-birther propaganda. I saw another discussion of this on CNN today.They showed the certificate of "live birth" again and another picture of the back of it with a dated stamp(2007 I believe) from Hawaii showing that this is an "official" COPY of his cert. of live birth. My question/challenge is simple- How did they make a COPY of his COLB that includes the RAISED state seal? To my knowledge, there is NO copy machine in the world the could copy Obama's COLB and produce the raised seal. Am I wrong? Is there some new copy machine that duplicates raised seals? If so, could someone provide a link or name the copier that produces raised seals on a copy?

reply to post by syrinx high priest

How am I being ignorant?
Your list does not state qualifications for Natural born citizens, only US citizens.

Even if your list stated Natural born, he gave it up when he became Indonesian.

I am not denying that Obama may have been, or is now a US citizen.
I am stating that he is not a NATURAL BORN citizen.

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by filosophia
Obama is not releasing the BC.

Except that Obama HAS released his birth certificate (more than any other POTUS did whilst President) - why do birthers keep claiming he has not?

edit on 25/4/11 by dereks because: (no reason given)

Well, because they can't come up with any reasonable critiques of Obama's policies, so they manufacture 'fantasies for little children' (Rush's quote in regards to birthers, not mine)

Either that, or they are all DNC operatives trying to make anyone critical of Obama appear moronic by association.

reply to post by freedom12


My mom lost my original birth certificate so when I moved to a new state I had to get a copy. That copy has a raised seal. I seriously doubt that copies of BCs from any state are run off on a general copy machine with computer paper.

Originally posted by Byteman


If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.

Byteman, this is not exactly true. Both parents need not be citizens. Only one parent needs to be a citizen. However, there is some issue as to whether his mother was a legal citizen at the time of his birth. There is some confusion in my mind over some of the reports i have read. There is a time frame (and I am not sure what it is) that the parent must live in the United States if they are/were under 18 during this time frame. I am not interested in investigating this further but would like someone to pick up on this and explain it to me. I just wanted to clarify to keep the facts in order and I don't have all the facts on this particular issue. The father's nationality doesn't cloud the issue but her age and location does.

Post Script-Byteman posted the reasons I asked for as I was writing this. Thank you.

Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by syrinx high priest

 

How am I being ignorant?
Your list does not state qualifications for Natural born citizens, only US citizens.

Even if your list stated Natural born, he gave it up when he became Indonesian.

I am not denying that Obama may have been, or is now a US citizen.
I am stating that he is not a NATURAL BORN citizen.

click on the linky

the citizenship of your parents only matters if you are born outside the US, so his fathers citizenship is literally irrelevant, hence the ignorance comment
he was born in hawaii, and that has made you natural born since 1900

Originally posted by Nite_wing

Originally posted by Byteman


If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.

Byteman, this is not exactly true. Both parents need not be citizens. Only one parent needs to be a citizen. However, there is some issue as to whether his mother was a legal citizen at the time of his birth. There is some confusion in my mind over some of the reports i have read. There is a time frame (and I am not sure what it is) that the parent must live in the United States if they are/were under 18 during this time frame. I am not interested in investigating this further but would like someone to pick up on this and explain it to me. I just wanted to clarify to keep the facts in order and I don't have all the facts on this particular issue. The father's nationality doesn't cloud the issue but her age and location does.

Post Script-Byteman posted the reasons I asked for as I was writing this. Thank you.

edit on 25-4-2011 by Nite_wing because: (no reason given)

nope

if a mexican mother crosses the border illegally and gives birth in a texas border town, that baby is a natural born citizen and eligible to be president (as far as that clause is concerned)

I apologize, I am speaking about those not born on U.S. soil. I understand the anchor baby issue.

reply to post by Nite_wing


got it