Hawaiian Senator said Obama not releasing long-form BC to hide identity or citizenship of his father

Anyone could "falsify" "pieces of papers. I would like to "demand" DNA testing and may the blood sample(s) settle the matter once and for all. Then again that could be quite an invasion of privacy. But he and furture "presidential hopefuls" have nothing to hide, then there should be NO problem in proving futher proof to stop the noise of "birthers" and pals.

Originally posted by pikypiky
Anyone could "falsify" "pieces of papers. I would like to "demand" DNA testing and may the blood sample(s) settle the matter once and for all. Then again that could be quite an invasion of privacy. But he and furture "presidential hopefuls" have nothing to hide, then there should be NO problem in proving futher proof to stop the noise of "birthers" and pals.

ummmm

how would DNA testing prove where he was born ?

Originally posted by filosophia
www.dailymail.co.uk...

It could have to do with what his name is on the birth certificate, who is actually listed as his father, the citizenship of the father,' Slom elaborated.

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While people debate if he was born in Hawaii, the media never brings up that the place of birth may not be the number one reason as to why Obama is not releasing the BC.

Holy smokes. Stop it with the bc already.

Obama is not a citizen because hawaii was a sovereign nation ruled by a monarchy but under illegal occupation by the us when obama was "born there."

Wake up people. You are being ruled by european banksters from rothschild family.


Associated press. Reuters. Bank of england (backs 5 merchant banks that run fed reserve).
Wake up!

Spread the knowledge. Start the awakening now!
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Originally posted by pikypiky
I would like to "demand" DNA testing and may the blood sample(s) settle the matter once and for all.

Settle what matter exactly? How stupid are you to think a DNA sample will show the state that someone is born in!

As a conservative who believes Obama was probably born in the United States, I find this whole subject hilarious.

The guy brought it on himself. In order to "connect" with different people from different places, he supposedly hails from Hawaii...and Kansas...and Illinois...and Kenya...and Indonesia...ad nauseum.

*If* he should clean this mess up, there's the reason right there: he brought this on himself. Personally, I think there are plenty of other reasons to fire him, so let's all just move on. (Will it happen? Probably not.)

I'm a Rothschild banker flunkee, apparently, and I approve this message.

The Hawaiian monarchy was overthrown by American sugarcane plantation owners in 1893 who then established a "republic" (if you could call it one), Hawaii then became a US territory in 1898 and a state in 1959. Hawaiians became US citizens in 1900 (bear in mind that some US territories had to wait until well into the 1970s for citizenship).

Barack Obama/Soetoro/whoever he really is was born in 1961.

Originally posted by DONTBEIGNORANT

Originally posted by filosophia
www.dailymail.co.uk...

It could have to do with what his name is on the birth certificate, who is actually listed as his father, the citizenship of the father,' Slom elaborated.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

While people debate if he was born in Hawaii, the media never brings up that the place of birth may not be the number one reason as to why Obama is not releasing the BC.

HOLY SMOKES. STOP IT WITH THE BC ALREADY.

OBAMA IS NOT A CITIZEN BECAUSE HAWAII WAS A SOVEREIGN NATION RULED BY A MONARCHY BUT UNDER ILLEGAL OCCUPATION BY THE US WHEN OBAMA WAS "BORN THERE."

WAKE UP PEOPLE. YOU ARE BEING RULED BY EUROPEAN BANKSTERS FROM ROTHSCHILD FAMILY.

ASSOCIATED PRESS. REUTERS. BANK OF ENGLAND (backs 5 merchant banks that run Fed Reserve).
WAKE UP!

SPREAD THE KNOWLEDGE. START THE AWAKENING NOW!

what year was hawaii made a state ? 1959
whay year was obama born ? 1961

thanks for playing !

Originally posted by pikypiky
Anyone could "falsify" "pieces of papers. I would like to "demand" DNA testing and may the blood sample(s) settle the matter once and for all. Then again that could be quite an invasion of privacy. But he and furture "presidential hopefuls" have nothing to hide, then there should be NO problem in proving futher proof to stop the noise of "birthers" and pals.

DNA testing to show where he's from?

What the hell?

ATS. The home of the insane. Later.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by filosophia
Obama is not releasing the BC.

Except that Obama HAS released his birth certificate (more than any other POTUS did whilst President) - why do birthers keep claiming he has not?

edit on 25/4/11 by dereks because: (no reason given)

And since when did the citizenship of his father have anything to do with anything either? Do any of these birthers know anything about the US at all?

Birthers:
The Federal Government has to accept Hawaii's word as to what they say a birth certificate is.
There is nothing about the citizenship of his father in the eligibility requirements.

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Since when did the citizenship of the father have anything to do with anything??

Are you serious? That's the whole issue. Where Obama was born does not matter. His father being Kenyan (Obama says so), his father NEVER having been a U.S. Citizen makes Obama ineligible according to the "natural born citizen" clause in the Constitution. Vattel's Law of Nations (capitalized--referring to the treaty) is also mentioned in the Constitution, and Vattel is very clear that citizenship follows the father...

Since I linked many references in a separate related ATS thread, I'll limit myself to one here:
www.newswithviews.com...

Originally posted by Habit4ming
his father NEVER having been a U.S. Citizen makes Obama ineligible according to the "natural born citizen" clause in the Constitution.

Care to show that exact clause in the constitution?

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well.. things just keep getting stranger about this topic...




"there was a birth announcement, but its been explained that his Grandparents could have called in the newspaper and said "Hey, our Grandchild was born".. and he didn't have to be born in Hawaii to do that. So its raising the issue again.." Mike Evans replies "Absolutely"

Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate Hawaii Issues Birth Certificates to Foreign Born Residents! Here’s Hawaii saying it like it it. All Doubts Cleared my Friends. A. From Hawaii’s official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: “Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country“ (applies to adopted children). B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5. C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate. D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17. E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3. F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: “In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.” Now that we all understand that you can be born in Madagascar, Russia, Norway, Brazil or even Kenya like Obama and still have a REAL birth certificate that both Snopes and Factcheck would say was real since they are real. That doesn’t mean you were born in Hawaii. Does this matter to America?

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Originally posted by freedom12
reply to post by dereks

 

They are referring to the "long form" original birth certificate sir. Not the "certificate of live birth". Mr Obama could simply show his original long form birth certificate and end all this. Why won't he?

Not to mention the fact that the "certificate of live birth" that was released could very easily be forged, even from within the department from which it originated. We have people from within the MVD (DMV to some of you) here in New Mexico getting busted all the time for selling ~real~ licenses to illegals. You don't think an organization like the DNC could have some sway over one or two state peons?

Flatfish says:

Just exactly what difference does it make who his father was? The fact that his mother was a U.S. citizen combined with the fact that he was born in Hawaii, is all that it takes to qualify him as a "Natural Born Citizen" of the United States, thereby eligible so run & serve as POTUS.
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Not true, Flatfish. There is a difference between a citizen, a natural born citizen, naturalized, etc.
obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com...

www.obamanotqualified.com...

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Not to mention the fact that the "certificate of live birth" that was released could very easily be forged, even from within the department from which it originated.

This is what I find so funny about birthers and their silly claims - they do not stop and actually think about what they are posting!

if you had stopped and thought about what you just posted, you would realise that any "long form birth certificate" could also be forged.

Which is exactly what birthers would claim if it was released, as the whole birther argument is not over any bit of paper Obama shows, but the fact a black man is the legal POTUS!

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Not to mention the fact that the "certificate of live birth" that was released could very easily be forged, even from within the department from which it originated.

This is what I find so funny about birthers and their silly claims - they do not stop and actually think about what they are posting!

if you had stopped and thought about what you just posted, you would realise that any "long form birth certificate" could also be forged.

Which is exactly what birthers would claim if it was released, as the whole birther argument is not over any bit of paper Obama shows, but the fact a black man is the legal POTUS!

The original would be much harder to forge. Agreed, though - it could be, but it's never been presented for scrutiny, has it? HAS. IT. ?

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
but it's never been presented for scrutiny, has it? HAS. IT. ?

Nor does it need to be! Where is the "long form certificate" from all previous POTUS's?

Oh, they never had to show theirs as they were not black!

Honestly, I don't care anymore.....even if Obama gets thrown out of office - what is going to happen?

Suddenly everything is going to be better? A RINO-Republican get put in office? What exactly is going to change?

ac360.blogs.cnn.com...
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The Donald claims that Obama's birth certificate is either missing from the archives or does not exist.

Real estate mogul Donald Trump's latest claim about President Obama's birth certificate is that it's missing. "Well I've been told very recently, Anderson, that the birth certificate is missing," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper Monday. "I've been told that it's not there or it doesn't exist. And if that's the case it's a big problem."

The least transparent President in history.
I bet his real father is Frank Marshall Davis.

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Wonderful post - clearly outlines why this is a never ending discussion. It won't end as long as "anti-birthers" insist that there is no need or reason to question Soetoro/Obama. They will rabidly continue to detract and distract for as long as possible and attempt to slander any reasonable person that simply wants answers to simple questions which even Soetoro/Obama refuses to answer and goes to great lengths to protect and deflect from having to do so. It is a lame and ineffective technique for avoiding a valid inquiry into the truth and will never satisfy those that are on a quest to discover it.
In some sense it is understandable when you consider that inherent in the very term "anti-birthers" is denial of the idea that Soetoro/Obama was even really 'born'. To them the whole issue is invalid and negated on the basis of if you "don't ask" then there is no need "to tell" - end of discussion and that should be good enough.
Considering all the documented and blatant lies that Soetoro/Obama has told since taking office should provide more than enough proof that his veracity is questionable to a great degree, even more so when considering all the shadowy elements of his mysterious and hidden past. The only real solution is to continue to question despite all obstacles, roadblocks and detours put in the way by 'anti-birthers' until the truth finally comes to light, which to the sheer dismay of 'anti-birthers' is inevitable.