It's time for mankind to break his Earthly bonds. Commercialise space and let NASA die!

Slayer, my man, I would totally agree, and my favorite sci-fi Quote..

"Earth, what a S**** hole" by none other than Ron Perlman in Alien Resurrection.. LOL

However, we have some HUGE issues to resolve first, take a look at any of the 'NASA didn't go to the moon' threads, which basically are truely washed away to mudslinging other than boiling it down to physics, logic and true engineering...seirously..

But, like some of the above posters have mentioned, it takes $$$$$$$$ LOTS of it..and where is it going to come from .. exactally and who's fingers are going to be in it..

anyone with a vested intrest which means they will want to own it .. lock, stock and barrel. Gov. & big business..

Do i think it's possible? At this point, no. I believe there's just to much in space to overcome and in 200 years, perhaps.. if we're even here that long

Slayer for one more time S+F for you.

I agree that private sector must get involved in the space program,but if people really want to colonise space,the first thing that we must do is to unite.
What i mean by that?Here is the list of space agencies around the globe,including their badgets.

Space Agencies

Instead of every country developing their own space program and compete with the rest on who will go first to the moon and who will put their flags in a more viewable place,i say they should become one.I bet that in each and every one of them there are some great minds that if they worked together,they would have solved the problems we are facing right now.

The first step towards that unification is the Planetery Society.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.planetary.org...

The Planetary Society is a large, publicly supported, non-government and non-profit organization that has many research projects related to astronomy. It was founded in 1980 by Carl Sagan, Bruce Murray, and Louis Friedman and has members from 125 countries around the world. The Society is dedicated to the exploration of Mars and the rest of the Solar System, the search for Near Earth Objects, and the search for extraterrestrial life.

Their latest project called Lightsail1

LightSail-1 is a solar sail project being developed by the Planetary Society, an organization devoted to space exploration. A solar sail is a spacecraft that uses only radiation pressure from sunlight to travel. LightSail-1 was announced in November of 2009 and is scheduled to be launched in November of 2011. It will be 32 square metres in the shape of a kite and will have electronics attached. It will test the theory of propulsion by only sunlight. If successful there will be two more projects.

This means that if they are succesful,spaceships won't need expensive fuel but instruments that will use and manage radiation from the sun(or any star).Solves a big problem i guess.

Who knows maybe one day we will grow up and stop behaving like 5 year olds

"My ship is bigger than yours"
"I went to space faster than you"

But that's just me dreaming.

well done slayer69 another great thread, wish I could write threads as good as this lol,

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Don't forget that movie "Into The Sun" where the sun is dying and so they send a nuclear payload on a ship to deliver to the sun to reignite it. During the flight, two of the crew have dreams or visions of flying into the sun. I thought this movie was fascinating.

I'll say that the age of exploration MUST resume. Earth is sardine-can, we are stuck on it at the moment, all the world is discovered on earth except...
Space and the other planets!
We belong in the stars and not stuck on this rock!

Originally posted by epsilon69
In space we just wouldnt enjoy the same standard of living as here on Earth. First of all we would be completely out of our element as we are inherently creatures of Earth. We have adapted to Earth's gravity, atmosphere, and ecosystems. In space our muscles and bones would atrophy, we would not enjoy the range of foods we eat here on Earth.

If we grew our food in space we would need to grow foods that are nitrogen donors in order for the soil to remain fertile. So we would be forced to eat alot of legumes, this neglect of other food groups could cause dietary deficiencies. Our protein intake could be greatly affected. We would be forced to farm animals that used up the least amount of space this would mean chickens. Because we cant have cows grazing around in Zero Gs. Even if we had gravity the amount of space; cows and other livestock would take up would make them inefficient.

The radiation levels in space will also give us problems. Even low levels of radiation combined with weakened bones from low gravity could cause easily broken and fractured bones. Solar flares can come out of no where and if we were say on a moon base and a solar flare hit us it could kill everyone onboard with no warning. Diseases could also be spread much easier on a space station with people living so close to each other and sharing the same amount of limited breathable air. We also don't know what will happen to fetuses developing in a zero G environment. Lack of sunlight would reduce our Vitamin D counts weakening bones further. We would have to supplement vitamin D or install UV lights on the stations. Powering the stations would also be a problem. If we used nuclear reactors this again would increase the amount of radiation the people onboard would receive and along with solar radiation and cosmic might be enough to push the human body to the breaking point. The point im trying to drive home here is even though we all see space travel on TV with star trek and star wars in reality it would not even remotely resemble this propaganda. Space is a dangerous and inhospitable place for human life and in my honest opinion we should do our best to live in balance on this planet because it's the only one we will get.

Yay for ignorance! Stay on earth and don't progress? Is that really what you just said? Too many ego's on here thinking they have the future all mapped out,,

The 'elite' of this world would rather keep us right here where they can control us with debt slavory than let their pets wander out into space.

That isn't going to happen. the guards of this prison planet are putting in the next layer of barbed wire as
we are speaking. The Weaponization of Space. and you think they will let you into outer space without their control allow you access to stop their ultimate plan....

It wont be long before Branson will be taking over the entire galaxy, I wouldn't be suprised if I were to look up one evening and notice that he's errected a supreme advert on the Moon reading "The Moon is brought to you by Virgin"!

Yeah right.
We cant even take care of our own planet so why would we be allowed to go out and trash the universe.

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Have you seen the movie Moon Slayer 69 ?

Moon (film)
en.wikipedia.org...

Lunar Industries employee Sam Bell (Sam Rockwell) is contracted to work for three years at the largely automated "Sarang" lunar base ("sarang" means "love" in Korean[7]), with only an artificial intelligence assistant named GERTY (voiced by Kevin Spacey) for company. His job is to oversee the automated harvesters which extract helium-3 from the lunar regolith. He periodically sends full canisters to Earth, where the helium-3 is used to generate much-needed clean fusion energy

Launching canisters ! like you mentioned !
It reminds me of harvesters in the movie called DUNE the SPICE!!! LOL

Movie ! The Moon

Moon" - Official Trailer [HQ]



Watch the resource helium 3 Pod launch to earth!! from the Movie trailer MOON at 1.47. mark

Explains it alot !!!!

and what do i mean by that ! ok you want it you got it !

Read my thread ! The research through the search engine of Information Bridge website type in lunar base
or lunar base cargo and see what you can find ! Enjoy !

Buzz Aldrin's Dream ,Helium 3 and Lunar Resource Base, page 1
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh did I forget. I did forget to mention that this is still a badass threead Slayer. Snf for your enthusiasm.

Bet I had you al suspeneded in suspense huh?

erm we are the produce ..the fresh meat an' potato's of a gazillion alien yuppie scumbags
all taking MFKZT...www.1minpages.com...
You and your's are going to have SERIOUS TROUBLE trying to find any vacant real estate..out solar system
is buzzing with all name a spacecritter.. see my alien lunar orbital condo shots here
www.1minpages.com...

I have read through most of the replies and have not seen anything
of this so if there has been anything posted you have my apologies.

Someone mentioned earlier about the constraints of space exploration
was distance, the raditiation a person accumulated over the time required
to travel to Mars, bone density issues and so forth.

All that got me thinking about an ex-astronaut I saw on some tv show
awhile back that might have goten past all those problems. He has developed
a new engine that could get someone to Mars in under forty days. It was
supposed to be tested on the ISS this year, but with funding being slashed
and now all the mechanical problems who knows.

I will try to post links to all this. I have already tried once this morning and
never having done this before I was a complete failure at it. This time I will also
just type in the relevant info so I will not have to redo my entire post again.

Dr. Franklin Chang-Diaz
Ad Astra Rocket Company
Variable Specific Impulse Magneto Plasma Rocket


www.jsc.nasa.gov...

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

With our space transportation technology still stuck with rocket engines and low-thrust ion drives, the price per kilogram cargo to space (around $20,000 just to reach geo-sync orbit) must be reduced to a mere fraction of todays price. That means rockets must be mass produced with high automation and low labor costs. The launch facility needs to be located in a place which favors year round operations, with low risk from natural disasters, a politically stable area, and freed from the smothering controls, restrictions, requirements and taxes of most first world governments. I can only see Helium3 mining on the moon (as others have mentioned) as having the needed risk-reward potential of attracting the capital needed to fund such a huge project.

The current world financial system in its current state is IMO the biggest threat to even getting a viable program up and running. Any private venture will have to have access to a huge credit line, and with all the world´s currencies all being fiat and backed by nothing but thin air, and with a $700+ trillion dollar derivative timebomb ticking away within that system, any economic black swan event can destroy the economic machine needed to make Helium3 production viable. Any economic disaster would instantly freeze a corperations credit line and force a shutdown of the whole operation within days. A fiat crisis could turn a corperations cash reserves into instant Zimbabwian toliet paper. No private space mining venture can take place with such a risk hanging over it´s head.

There is only one way to properly finance a space-mining project under todays conditions and that is to operate as independantly as possible outside of the current farce of an economic system we all live in. That can be achieved by selling shares in the venture in exchange for physical gold and silver. A corperation solidly backed by reserves based in gold and silver can continue to follow it´s quest with little fear of a potential fiat currency crisis wiping it out. And, if a fiat crisis doesn´t happen, what better collateral to have to open your credit lines with than a solid pile of gold and silver.

I´d trade some of my silver Eagles for a share of such an operation in a heartbeat.

Richard bransons pet project is a joke, it is dangerous flimsy no saftey features, and downright dumb, you have a craft that changes shape once it gets into orbit, and relies on this new shape to get back to earth safely, this is a carbon fiber tube with movable wings and a rocket strapped to it.

multiple things can go wrong preventing it from transformin while floating there, i personally think it will end in tragedy. they are trying to reinvent spacetravel from scratch, disregrding everything ever learned. and all safety requirements. it's junk.

If there really was as much interest in space travel as some here seem to think then it would have happened already, and a new competitive company would have overshadowed NASA by now, but it hasnt.

plus it would take a hell of a lot of investment by some of the richest people on earth, to even get close to NASA's budget (and they are underfunded) do you want that? full control by the richest smuggest bastards in the world.

Originally posted by KingConn
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

these songs are sick lol its funny how auto tune can make anybody sound good lol

Carl Sagan is singing to us from beyond the Cosmos er umm grave

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Guess what.. ? you can do that with a Laser.
a space laser could be used to fuse the dust into a shinny glass like substance. you could do this. its do'able.
and as far as I know - no one is at home and there are no Space Cops or laws or any of that jazz. hum, Thanks for the Idea - I will see if any Rich Bastards want to put a monument on the moon for all to see... might make a few bucks too.

Originally posted by gaurdian2012
ok correct me if I am wrong but TPTB want to keep the population under 5 billion right (georgia guidestones) well instead of killing the majority of people, (what a narrow vision) why not terraform the moon and mars possibly europa. whether or not the moon and mars are inhabited is irrelevant we Mankind have a right to be there it orbits our world and mars and europa are in our neighborhood. there is alot of unused real estate waiting to be colonized what happened to that pioneer spirit? or does that pioneer spirit only exist when and where there are indigenous peoples to exploit!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it's 500,000 not 5 billion if I'm not mistaken.

I've often wondered if that is misunderstood and means that "They" don't want to kill us or reduce the population to that number but rather its a warning to the survivors of some hidden ["Known" only to them] of some upcoming natural or cyclical global catastrophe of mankind and it's a message to the survivors?

That's possibly why it is written in so many languages....