ATTENTION: All you rule-breakers, you misfits & troublemakers, all you free-spirits & pioneers...

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


Thank-you for your thoughts on this, and I couldn't agree more that this world needs more art, music and love. You made some excellent points and gave me some insight that rings true, and supporting artists, is money well spent !

Originally posted by WhizPhiz
Well, I liked the video and it was definitely inspirational...but their entire website is a money making charade imo...

I agree... I came to that conclusion too after visiting the website and seeing the extortionate amount.
Garret John LaPorto has already wrote a book titled The DaVinci Method.

The majority of the video responses I watched on YouTube have come to the conclusion that the video is nothing but a great advertisement for his book, but it is mainly a money making thing...

Although I did find it very inspiring and agree with the message it spreads.

reply to post by IAMIAM


Your quite an idealist ! Power to you Brother......you have many obstacles before you. I watched a very interesting documentory about the Zeitgeist movement called " Moving Forward " although some beautiful, and possibly brilliant ideas......it leaves me skeptical...especially because of my mistrust of the trickery being used to create a NWO.......it's a veiled threat to say it's happening, so why not join peacefully !!!

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

Your quite an idealist ! Power to you Brother......you have many obstacles before you. I watched a very interesting documentory about the Zeitgeist movement called " Moving Forward " although some beautiful, and possibly brilliant ideas......it leaves me skeptical...especially because of my mistrust of the trickery being used to create a NWO.......it's a veiled threat to say it's happening, so why not join peacefully !!!

It is more than a veiled threat my friend.

On February 17, 1950, James Paul Warburg confidently declared to the United States Senate: “We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”

It has been the plan for a very long time.

I am not so certain the zeitgeist movement is what I have in mind. They are particularly atheistic and I do not believe that is the way to go. I am more for leaving the "God" question open to each to find on their own, but treating each as if they are a creation of the divine whether they believe in such or not.

The stumbling block is not in front of me for I have already resigned myself to the life I imagine, and it is a Heavenly existence. The stumbling blocks are in front of those who have not joined me yet. Those will be removed if not by each individual, then by divine intervention.

I would seriously stray off topic to say any more, but I have several threads going which go into more detail.

Rest assured there is a better world on the horizon and it will not be a world where Man rules over Man.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by DocEmrick
Originally posted by davidgrouchy

Your opinion doesn't count as valid research. When you're ready to tango with an intellectual come back and talk to me. Until then, I regard your posts as pure comedy.

In that case you're welcome.


David Grouchy

The message may seem inspirational, but there are a few conflicts within it. Healthy rebellion is a good thing and the fact that only small minority does it at once, also a good thing. Unconformity is what allows any system to eventually evolve. But widespread anarchy is the lack of a social system and not an alternate. If we all belonged to some giant simplistic native tribe, there would still be rules, traditions; and punishments to those that break them. If self governance can not work in the most basic of confines, it’s beyond folly that it be presented as an adaptable lifestyle. (regarding the video)

If that wasn’t the case, the hippie movement would still be alive and kicking today. There is a reason that they all got jobs and faded into the masses. No one told them to do it just that after too many years, rebellion itself becomes systematic. The spirit of the original idea dies long before the socially established compromises, which are necessary for us to act in unison.

The real problems occur when we try to make allowances, for every possible behavior of human nature. Who will be the champions of those poor child molesters, or the defenders of those DUI offenders? Let’s give the cigarette smokers their rights back and allow them to once again rejoin society. Who cries for the rapists, the bank robbers and the violent gang members? Let’s open the prisons and allow our less than perfect brothers and sisters, to once again take their places among us.

Group hug folks.

Just be sure to check for your wallet after.

Unfortunately I can not even walk away with just the inspirational part, that the video is obviously trying to convey. Since the premise would require the innocence, that would make Disney scratch his head.

He goes on a bit doesn't he?
I wasted valuable ebay time watching that and basically all he does is pat you on the head and says " there, there... I know you're an anarchist, goth nerd with no mates but its ok cos' so was Einstein and Richard Branson, now be a good boy and buy this book.."

This video was amazing to me. Very univeresal and to the heart. I find myself to very passionate and intouch with my emotions and this left me with my mouth wide open and eyes full of tears. I wish more people had less fear in their life because we would see more of the greatness we were designed to have.

Originally posted by JakesterL
Who will be the champions of those poor child molesters, or the defenders of those DUI offenders? Let’s give the cigarette smokers their rights back and allow them to once again rejoin society. Who cries for the rapists, the bank robbers and the violent gang members? Let’s open the prisons and allow our less than perfect brothers and sisters, to once again take their places among us.

I will be their champion my friend.

The reason why we have child molesters is because we have children who have been molested. It is a viscious cycle that can only be stopped by confronting the pain of the child who has been molested, teaching how to properly love by loving them properly, and welcoming them into society. Instead of shaming the act, treat it as a proper illness and weakness that they can freely confess when they are having such temptations without condemnation. If a child molester came up to you and said they were having the urge to molest a child, would you help them through it? Most would not. They would be condemned and shunned which drives the behavior under ground.

The same goes with drunk drivers. Alcoholism is a symptom of person escaping the society we have created. Driving while drunk is an inevitable act when we locate our bars far from housing and offer no other means of transportation to and from. Sure, one could call a cab if one still has money left over at the end of the night, but a more sensible solution is a courtesy ride system at no cost. There are ways to eliminate such things as DUI's, but right now they are not "economically" feasible. The truth, we value money more than lives.

Our goal SHOULD be returning our prisoners to society as reformed members. Isn't that what prisons are supposed to do? Of course, but we all know they are merely "Crime University". Good for them. We have built a society of dog eat dog, then try to contain the carnage in a set of rules. When a dog doesn't play by the rules, put them in a cage with other meaner dogs. This way when they come out the population is so scared of the damage that they do, that we can enact even more laws, grow our police force, and put even more in cages.

The answer to the worlds problems is Love. It always has been. We must learn to love each other equally rather than the material things that keep us divided. If we do not tear down the system we have of dog eat dog, we will destroy ourselves fighting over a plentiful world.

Love all, Judge none, be at peace.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


Ive been reading your posts closely and i agree with everything you've said so far. I just have one question for you.

Do you feel that science and technology has a role once the system falls?

I know this is one of the fundamental factors in the zeitgiest movements ideology, A vision which you may not share. I just feel it would be a waste of one of mankinds greatest conquests if it did'nt have its place.

The problem with the zietgiest movements "Resource based Economy" is its too massive in scale. There talking about a massive overhaul of the entire planet, where each country simply hands its resources over to the centralised control system. It also calls for the demolishing and rebuilding of entire citys which in itself would put a massive strain on what resources we have left.

So what if someone developed a maths based algorythmic system which could control a village first. Removing the need for beaurocracy or a man/woman at the top saying this should be done this way and when. Once this sytem has been tested and proven to work you scale it up to a city. Then link those citys to regulate a country. Then linking countrys to regulate the world. At first encumpassing the monetary sytem. ei. this country needs oil and so it orders it from another country etc. etc. Untill the system is so efficient that it ends the need for man/woman to be involved in the sytem at all. Stripping both the responsability and power from those who have all the influence today. Once this is in place then were all free from the chains of the monetary system and are free to pursue our spiritual and interlectual goals.

I know this is crude explanation but you get my point. What are your thoughts.

okay... first of all I must say it's a good message.... but just a couple of things which I didn't see brought up in the few pages of comments that I read(forgive me if they were)...

Keep in mind thatGarret LoPorto who has been featured in The New York Times, Money Magazine, The London Financial Times, and The Boston Globe and some other national newspapers. He's also been on national TV including CNN and ABC, Nitebeat and MIT TV. Now I could be wrong, but one usually doesn't get repeated coverage and praise from the mainstream media unless you are an integral part of the TPTB wheel. IMO you don't get to be the founder and CEO of a successful multi-million dollar technology & media company, and address prestigious audiences including Massachusetts Institute of Technology, University of Massachusetts and The Computer Freedom and Privacy Convention, unless you are involved with TPTB.

I think a lot of us here agree that the goal of TPTB is to reduce the youth into a tool that can be used to their benefit. What could have been a problem in their plans they want to turn into their powerbase. This video and website would go along way towards helping them do just that. It has a lot of little things in its production that, to me, give it away as being a tool of TPTB.

The production quality is way better than average. How many anti establishment groups do you know of that could produce a main stream quality video as this one is? The music is perfect... power chords at the right time to get you all pumped up and trance to make you feel mellow and subdued.

Now how about the copyright material? There is a ton of it all perfectly placed to bring out the right emotion at the right time. Do you think that TPTB would allow their hollywood productions to be used in a manner to bring them down? What about all the media clips? that's all copyrighted too.

So what is this video designed to do? It's targeting a specific group of rule-breakers, misfits & troublemakers, all you free-spirits & pioneers... gathering their info... and getting them to pay to subscribe to a service.. now the group is isolated, manipulated, instructed and pretty much controlled... and you can even connect to facebook and twitter to tell all your like minded friends about this cool anti establishment group..

SH!t... that just went from a cute cudlly video that made a bunch of you people all happy and feel like you belonged into a steaming pile of propaganda in a flash....

Sorry, but I'm a skeptic at heart and this thing is way to smooth to be anti-establishment. But as always I admit I maybe could be, possibly, slightly incorrect..;0

reply to post by wearewatchingyouman


All very good points and you appear to have read between the lines very well. I fear you are too late though. I think most who have previously posted are done and on to the next one. which is a real shame.

This is a perfect example of how someone should look at these things. If only more people had your skeptical eye.

Great work!

Originally posted by KrypticCriminal
Ive been reading your posts closely and i agree with everything you've said so far. I just have one question for you.

Do you feel that science and technology has a role once the system falls?

I know this is one of the fundamental factors in the zeitgiest movements ideology, A vision which you may not share. I just feel it would be a waste of one of mankinds greatest conquests if it didn't have its place.

The problem with the zietgiest movements "Resource based Economy" is its too massive in scale. There talking about a massive overhaul of the entire planet, where each country simply hands its resources over to the centralised control system. It also calls for the demolishing and rebuilding of entire citys which in itself would put a massive strain on what resources we have left.

So what if someone developed a maths based algorythmic system which could control a village first. Removing the need for beaurocracy or a man/woman at the top saying this should be done this way and when. Once this sytem has been tested and proven to work you scale it up to a city. Then link those citys to regulate a country. Then linking countrys to regulate the world. At first encumpassing the monetary sytem. ei. this country needs oil and so it orders it from another country etc. etc. Untill the system is so efficient that it ends the need for man/woman to be involved in the sytem at all. Stripping both the responsability and power from those who have all the influence today. Once this is in place then were all free from the chains of the monetary system and are free to pursue our spiritual and interlectual goals.

I know this is crude explanation but you get my point. What are your thoughts.

I believe that science is the most accurate way of coming to understand the divine and technology is merely putting to use those divine gifts of knowledge. Spirituality and Science do not need to be at odds, nor should they be. I honestly do not see how the two can be separate. We have seen that when spirituality shuns science you get radical superstitious fundamentalism, and when science lacks a spiritual foundation you get gross miscarriages of our humanity. The two are inseparable and the technology which comes from this marriage is a divine gift for all to enjoy.

Before I get to the zeitgeist movement, let me ask you this. If you had everything provided for you to enjoy your life at a high middle class life style and all that was asked is you do what your hearts desire is to do for society in return, whether it be a janitor or a brain surgeon, would you do it?

I have asked that question to everyone I have met and have only had a few say no. Those that said no felt that such a system would cause people to quit their jobs or do substandard work.

Then I remind them how many are unemployed, how many are living off of crime, how many are simply homeless having given up on the system, and how many are retired. Once you take all these numbers into consideration, very few are actually working anyway. Those who are working are being worked to death!

If we all accepted the same life style, a very comfortable lifestyle, more would be encouraged to contribute, the work load would decrease dramatically, more music, art, entertainment would be produced, and our overall happiness would be nothing short of heaven. All would have what they need IF we worked to ensure all have what they need equally. This is beyond communism or fascism where the state owns everything in the former, and corporations own everything in the later. I am talking about a system where no one owns anything but themselves, and shares everything else. It is radical because it hasn't been tried since the beginning of Man.

Imagine if your child wanted to be a Physician, all he had to do was go to the Hospital and let the staff know he wants to be a Physician. Then THEY train him.

Your child wants to be a mechanic, go to a local garage and learn.

A Vet, go and help out and learn.

What ever your heart desires, go learn.

I am not talking about tearing down cities for the infrastructure is already there. I am talking about radically altering our motivations. Completely eliminating money and ownership.

Once it is thrown down, go back to what you were doing. If you worked at walmart and was happy working there, go work at walmart. You won't get paid, but when you need groceries you just go get what you need.

There is a misconception that people pick their jobs because they do not have a choice. The reality is people find the job that they like for the most part. Some hate their work because it does not pay the bills. Eliminate the bills, provide a comfortable living for all equally, and people will love to work again, no matter the job. Especially when they are loved as equals.

Now to zeitgeist. It is an excellent long term goal to build cities as they have them designed. We must move past our archaic designs. There is a reason we do not have Roman aquaducts bringing our water to our cities anymore. Better technology makes old systems obsolete. I say we move forward with the zeitgeist model, but in our poorest most dilapidated areas. It can be done, but the old idea of iniquity and competition must first pass into our history.

I feel I may have blabbed too much, maybe even went far from the original topic, but I hope I covered your questions. I'll give it some more thought and maybe start a thread on the subject of future city building.

Thanks for asking.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


Thanks for your reply and yet again i find myself in complete agreement. Personaly my energy and effort would be available to do whatever was required in this new sytem. As long as my basic needs are catered for. Then what more could i ask.

This still brings us back full circle to the fall of the present system. I personaly would be willing to completely reject this current sytem. Im even willing to set it to the date that you put forward in your other thread. I cant help but feel that it will be you and i alone though. While most are in agreement with the idea. Im not hearing any resounding yes's. How will the movement keep in contact to check who's in and who's out. How do i know it wont be just me wandering the streets looking for a place to sleep while i wait for everyone else to make their decision. Part of me feels that the experience of doing this alone will help me grow in spirit. Im just not sure how to get my message to others when im on the outside looking in.

Maybe were too far ahead of our time. Maybe we should wait for a perfect oppotunity when people are looking for a better way. A time which best illustrates our point that the old ways are'nt working. Maybe the next banking crisis or global reccesion, which cant be too far away. Meanwhile reaching as many people as we can in the meantime.

I dont think im prepared enough for whats to come yet, and i dont think theres enough people to make the change.

Originally posted by KrypticCriminal
Thanks for your reply and yet again i find myself in complete agreement. Personaly my energy and effort would be available to do whatever was required in this new sytem. As long as my basic needs are catered for. Then what more could i ask.

This still brings us back full circle to the fall of the present system. I personaly would be willing to completely reject this current sytem. Im even willing to set it to the date that you put forward in your other thread. I cant help but feel that it will be you and i alone though. While most are in agreement with the idea. Im not hearing any resounding yes's. How will the movement keep in contact to check who's in and who's out. How do i know it wont be just me wandering the streets looking for a place to sleep while i wait for everyone else to make their decision. Part of me feels that the experience of doing this alone will help me grow in spirit. Im just not sure how to get my message to others when im on the outside looking in.

Maybe were too far ahead of our time. Maybe we should wait for a perfect oppotunity when people are looking for a better way. A time which best illustrates our point that the old ways are'nt working. Maybe the next banking crisis or global reccesion, which cant be too far away. Meanwhile reaching as many people as we can in the meantime.

I dont think im prepared enough for whats to come yet, and i dont think theres enough people to make the change.

Your fears are the same fears holding people back my friend. I knew I would face them when I came on to ATS to share the concepts.

Here is all I need of anyone who is at least contemplating the idea and the possibilities. Believe it is possible and be a beacon of light for others.

That really is all I need. Never stop showing the light of love to the world, help those who are losing hope, and talk to them about our future possibilities, ie spread the word.

This isn't my idea my friend. This idea came from above. It is Man's destiny. It is the garden of Eden, the Kingdom of Heaven, the promised land. Heaven and earth will be moved to tear down the old ways that the new can be built. It isn't going to be easy and there will be tragedy along the way.

All I can say is, Know thyself...

And follow your heart.

A Final Warning

Everything is in divine order my friend!

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by KrypticCriminal


He does make several good points, but the one that stuck out for me was the copyright issue. US Copyright law specifically contains provisions for fair use, in reviewing, or for derivative works or works of satire. That doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy here, but it does mean that use of less then 25 seconds of copyrighten works is protected under "fair use" provisions.

reply to post by IAMIAM


Some homless guy standing on the street corner preaching has been done and is a great source of amusement to many. It is something that i would be willing to do if i thought it would make any difference. The main stream media has already hard wired people in to believing those who do this are crazy and should not be taken seriously.

I think we need to be more organised than that. As a preperation we should develop a network so people in a certain area know and can get in touch with others in their area. Then those who are on board can all come together when the time arrives and move as one. This will draw more attention to us and our cause and it will allow for people to support one another.

Then we could gather all those who are already outside the system ei. the homeless by moving around the city to the various missions or where ever the homeless people maybe. All the time spreading our message and gaining support. Then Each group from each city should have a specified area were they can congregate. Protest peacefully and again support one another. Then we could focus on getting our message to the masses. Hopefully we'd attract media attention which we could use to reach a wider audience. The Authorities will step in to shut us down bringing more exposure to our cause. We'd have to be ready to get a clear message out at this critical moment as TPTB will make us appear crazy by manipulation of the media.

Together we stand, divided we fall. We cant appear to be a cult, thats very important. We cant allow for any kind of fear mongering. As our numbers swell. Revelution will come ever closer. We just need to make sure everything is in place for a smooth transition. Then will come the upheaval.

I think we should start to undertake public services as a sign of our intentions. Picking up litter or cleaning up green spaces. Setting an example of what we hope to achieve.

Ive babbled on enough but with some planning in place this might just be possible.

Originally posted by KrypticCriminal
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

Some homless guy standing on the street corner preaching has been done and is a great source of amusement to many. It is something that i would be willing to do if i thought it would make any difference. The main stream media has already hard wired people in to believing those who do this are crazy and should not be taken seriously.

I think we need to be more organised than that. As a preperation we should develop a network so people in a certain area know and can get in touch with others in their area. Then those who are on board can all come together when the time arrives and move as one. This will draw more attention to us and our cause and it will allow for people to support one another.

Then we could gather all those who are already outside the system ei. the homeless by moving around the city to the various missions or where ever the homeless people maybe. All the time spreading our message and gaining support. Then Each group from each city should have a specified area were they can congregate. Protest peacefully and again support one another. Then we could focus on getting our message to the masses. Hopefully we'd attract media attention which we could use to reach a wider audience. The Authorities will step in to shut us down bringing more exposure to our cause. We'd have to be ready to get a clear message out at this critical moment as TPTB will make us appear crazy by manipulation of the media.

Together we stand, divided we fall. We cant appear to be a cult, thats very important. We cant allow for any kind of fear mongering. As our numbers swell. Revelution will come ever closer. We just need to make sure everything is in place for a smooth transition. Then will come the upheaval.

I think we should start to undertake public services as a sign of our intentions. Picking up litter or cleaning up green spaces. Setting an example of what we hope to achieve.

Ive babbled on enough but with some planning in place this might just be possible.

I agree whole heartedly with you my friend. There are many many such groups popping up around the internet and else where. The problem is they all end up going for the almighty dollar. People are popping up left and right to take advantage of those who are looking for a better way.

Here is one organisation that seems to have broken the mold and appears to be on the same sheet of music as I am.

I am just watching it at this stage, so this isn't a full endorsement...

Awakening as One

Now if you are interested in starting something new, I will gladly help out where ever I can. We cannot recruit here at ATS, but I know some people who may be interested, who know some people who may be interested. We could probably get a movement up and going rather quickly at no cost.

I can design a forum for communication using ez-boards for now....

Let's take this to U2U if you are interested.



With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by KrypticCriminal

 

He does make several good points, but the one that stuck out for me was the copyright issue. US Copyright law specifically contains provisions for fair use, in reviewing, or for derivative works or works of satire. That doesn't mean that there isn't a conspiracy here, but it does mean that use of less then 25 seconds of copyrighten works is protected under "fair use" provisions.

Where is this law that says use of under 25 seconds is protected under fair use... could you please share where you got this info... I'll leave a link to where I get mine... as I understand it, it's a case by case basis.... there are many factors that go into a fair use decision... and things like whether it was used for profit and if the clips were used to convey a broader message, as opposed to just being random, hold a lot of weight... youtube has taken a lot of videos down for using clips of movies in the past.... and hollywood has pretty damn good lawyers who keep their stuff out of things they don't want them to be in... but like always I may be wrong... broad copyright law; www.lib.umn.edu... ... specifically fair use; www.lib.umn.edu...

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Oh,my,I,really love this......I, am passing this on. This was a really good video. It makes so much sense,WE THE PEOPLE OF UNITED STATES,You know our preamble,I,believe it totally.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ” Meaning and application The Preamble serves solely as an introduction, and does not assign powers to the federal government,[1] nor does it provide specific limitations on government action. Due to the Preamble's limited nature, no court has ever utilized it as a decisive factor in case adjudication,[2] except as regards frivolous litigation.[3]

,We aren't to accept just what people says. We,have the right to find out all truth and facts. Also our constitution,we want to follow also,and our government should too. Thank you for this video.