ATTENTION: All you rule-breakers, you misfits & troublemakers, all you free-spirits & pioneers...

Originally posted by KrypticCriminal

Originally posted by IAMIAM
Here is a gent who "Gets it"...

for FREE

I think this is probably worthy of a thread of its own. It actually contains some real insight that people really could benefit from.

I saw this video posted earlier in it's own thread titled "Rebuttal to wayseer manifesto" or something to that effect. When I went to comment, it was 404'd. So, I take it that since it pertains to this discussion, it should not have it's own thread.

I may be wrong. Perhaps give it a shot and see what happens.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


Well i guess its here for people to see anyways. So i'll just leave it at that. Thanks for sharing it though.

How interesting the heart of this discussion has become about money!?

God knows I'm not above wanting and needing it, despite my idealistic wishes. Heck, if we"re participating in this discussion we have homes, computers, pay electric and cable, etc.

I don't know what it's gonna take to stop the insanity of the NWO......the video in the OP just reflects the frustration, helplessness and hypocricy all around us. TPTB have all but won, at a certain point in " The Game " , monopoly, for example, there's no rebounding, you just keep playing till your broke. Hopefully you have a lttle fun along the way...

Ralph Nadar wrote an interesting book called " Only billionares can save us now " very good read, possibly a handbook to the only solution left. The collective, especially those with greater wealth, pulling their/our resources together is possibly our last salvation to retaining any power we still have left....

Inspirational video, thanks for sharing i'm going to circulate it.

Thankies!

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
How interesting the heart of this discussion has become about money!?

God knows I'm not above wanting and needing it, despite my idealistic wishes. Heck, if we"re participating in this discussion we have homes, computers, pay electric and cable, etc.

I don't know what it's gonna take to stop the insanity of the NWO......the video in the OP just reflects the frustration, helplessness and hypocricy all around us. TPTB have all but won, at a certain point in " The Game " , monopoly, for example, there's no rebounding, you just keep playing till your broke. Hopefully you have a lttle fun along the way...

Ralph Nadar wrote an interesting book called " Only billionares can save us now " very good read, possibly a handbook to the only solution left. The collective, especially those with greater wealth, pulling their/our resources together is possibly our last salvation to retaining any power we still have left....

Billionaires are the solution? Nah, let them keep their money. What we need is billions of people without a dime to their name. They are the ones who realise how worthless money truly is.

Have you seen the Plan at the bottom of my posts?

A united "give back" of the chains that shackle us is in order. Who owns the earth anyway?



With Love,

Your Brother

He does "get it;" insofar as he understand the message of love yourself, love "god" (whatever that means to you), and "love others."

I did laugh at the end of the second video, when he asserts that the guy who wrote this book should "freely share it, and see what happens after that."

That's good advice for ALL OF US, where it concerns what we do for a living. Especially the kid in the two videos above. Whatever you do to pay the rent, the utilities and put food in your belly and the bellies of those dependent on you, do it for FREE, now, and "see what happens after that."

In fact -- I think I'm going to demand that of the pest control company who are on their way out to my house right now. This service should be free, after all, right?

reply to post by IAMIAM


Point taken, and we are in agreement overall I think, but a few billionaires in our corner couldn't hurt!

Furthermore, if "spiritual messages" should be "free," shouldn't medicine be even MORE free? If so, why has my overall costs to receive medical care, and prescriptions for my disabled wife gone up by 375% since 1985?

Or maybe only artists, writers and musicians should starve and live under a bridge, while bricklayers, doctors, soldiers, cops and others should get paid?

The dude really SUCKS at singing, but it doesn't even really matter because everything he's talking about is awesome.

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

Point taken, and we are in agreement overall I think, but a few billionaires in our corner couldn't hurt!

Perhaps my friend. But be careful. Money does not exist in nature. It is a man made symbol of contribution to society, at least initially anyway. Those who perceive that they are contributing more often desire that much more control.

If I "donate" one million dollars to the cause, I perceive that I have contributed more than someone who has contributed nothing but his time and energy, thus I want to be the decision maker based on my perceived greater contribution. In reality, all I have contributed is my illusion of superior wealth.

I say welcome all billionaires, but ask that they leave their money behind. Let them return unto Caesar, that which Caesar has given.



Just a point of view of course, but no revolution which depended on money has ever succeeded in bringing equality to all the people who sacrificed for the revolution. It has only continued to enslave them in debt, and an illusion of freedom which is gradually taken away.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
Furthermore, if "spiritual messages" should be "free," shouldn't medicine be even MORE free? If so, why has my overall costs to receive medical care, and prescriptions for my disabled wife gone up by 375% since 1985?

Or maybe only artists, writers and musicians should starve and live under a bridge, while bricklayers, doctors, soldiers, cops and others should get paid?

This is EXACTLY why people need to speak out and pull together ! Just staying alive and getting needed medications shouldn't be a luxuary only attained through money. How many people going broke, working so hard that the quality of the life they manage to hold on to is so full of stress and worry it's hard to remember to even breath........let alone what being happy even means anymore

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
Furthermore, if "spiritual messages" should be "free," shouldn't medicine be even MORE free? If so, why has my overall costs to receive medical care, and prescriptions for my disabled wife gone up by 375% since 1985?

Or maybe only artists, writers and musicians should starve and live under a bridge, while bricklayers, doctors, soldiers, cops and others should get paid?

Yes! Medicine SHOULD be free my friend. For this to happen, we need a dynamic shift in our thinking. Instead of thinking our contribution to society is "greater" than anothers, accept that we all have something to contribute and all contributions are equal. If you can heal - heal. If you can play music, entertain us.

It is the system of competition, not cooperation, that causes iniquity!

You cannot force this mind change. It must be internally realised by careful observation of the global society as a whole.

Every "evil" committed on this planet is the result of competition where there should be cooperation. There is no "evil". Everyone is doing what is "good" for there own select groups.

Until we cooperate, instead of Compete, we will continue to have the issues of oppression, wars, and iniquity.

We will have a one world government. It will be either by conquest, or consent.

Which do you want?

Me, I want the one that I consent to. I want the one that treats all as Kings and Queens of their own free will. I want the one of collective cooperation.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM


I don't disagree with any of that, but I do disagree with the notion that the best way to get there is to stop paying the people who produce things that can be digitally stolen without risk. How should I feed MY family now, if you steal my songs because you can, while we all root for a world where medicine is also free?

What do you do to support your family right now, and will you please start doing it for NOTHING, today?

Why not?

That's all I'm saying.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
I don't disagree with any of that, but I do disagree with the notion that the best way to get there is to stop paying the people who produce things that can be digitally stolen without risk. How should I feed MY family now, if you steal my songs because you can, while we all root for a world where medicine is also free?

What do you do to support your family right now, and will you please start doing it for NOTHING, today?

Why not?

That's all I'm saying.

I understand your position in the now my friend. Yes, the world will force you to the streets and watch your family starve in the now.

This is not the way it should be.

Once you share something with the world, ie it leaves your head, it is no longer yours. It belongs to the world. This goes for everybody! Everything produced by one, can be reproduced, improved, altered, shared by others. The only thing preventing this is the need for money to survive.

It is non-sense. The illusions of ownership and money are why we need to have militaries, police forces, wars, laws, oppression, starvation, and death. We need all these things to maintain our illusions.

I know you need to maintain the system for you have some who depend on you.

Some one will need to sacrifice to bring the system down.

Some one will need to give it all back that it may fall, and a better system be built on it's foundation.

Some one will need to lead the way.

I have nothing left to give my friend but my time and energy, even my life. All of these remaining things I offer to the cause.

Those who CAN sacrifice, those with the WILL to sacrifice, MUST sacrifice, and the sooner the better.

Give it all back if you can. Support those who do if you cannot.

That is why in my plan there is one date designated that we all do it together. In one fell swoop we can watch the Empire fall. One day when everyone says "NO MORE and NEVER AGAIN!".

I need help only in getting the word out and helping others see the better way.

With Love,

Your Brother

I can find nothing to argue with there, brother. Be well all. I am too close to this (not because I know this guy or bought his book -- I don't and I can't afford it!) but because I have seen even my own musical accomplices reduced over time to not paying for art because "no one pays for ours anymore."

Believe me when I say that my mental breakdown last summer (when I started posting here) was in large part due to seeing my livelihood eroded so much that I was forced to retreat to a corporate job I am wholly unsuited for, and where I was paid less and less every year as globalization and outsourcing cut my pay by 70% since 2003. It hurts, and I am sorry if I lashed out at you.

Believe me when I say that if I didn't have to support my wife, whom I adore, because she is disabled, and I didn't have children, who have no one but me to feed, clothe and shelter them, I would rather be dead then work at something I am unsuited to, for "money." This world isn't interesting enough to be a slave for no reason or without purpose.

nice to know im not alone and these feelings and thoughts are getting more frequent! we are good to know we are important and not helpless

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
reply to post by IAMIAM

 

I don't disagree with any of that, but I do disagree with the notion that the best way to get there is to stop paying the people who produce things that can be digitally stolen without risk. How should I feed MY family now, if you steal my songs because you can, while we all root for a world where medicine is also free?

What do you do to support your family right now, and will you please start doing it for NOTHING, today?

Why not?

That's all I'm saying.

I'm guessing your a musician? Is listening to music on you tube stealing? I am sincerly interested in your thoughts. I listen to music quite a bit on you tube, especially some of the older bands, lol, I'm old enough to remember albums, and spent most of the money I earned in my youth buying them, Since that time have still bought tapes, then CD's, but never like I once did.....most of the old albums ,if they are even playable anymore, I couldn't use cause don't have turn table anymore. If I bought the album, tape or CD once, does that mean I can listen to them again on you tube?

reply to post by MountainLaurel


I've heard that argument made, and I do not support it.

Listening to an music on youtube is a great way to "try before you buy." It's like radio, where you have a direct line in to "make requests." It is not stealing.

Stealing is when you download a torrent or rapidshare file, which contains one or more albums, and you don't pay for it. Actually -- stealing doesn't really describe that either, because normally -- when you steal -- you deprive someone else of their property, and in this case, you are merely copying. You are still denying the artist revenue for their work, and as all but the top 1% of music artists make less then 100K a year, often by working twice as many hours as anyone else, those who take without paying are denying the artist the ability to pay their own bills, and forcing to give up art for something else that can't be so easily rendered worthless.

Sadly -- the world doesn't need any more businessmen in suits. It needs more art, music and love. Above all, it needs people who are passionate about what they do, to provide hope for a better future then the vision Wall Street and the Federal Government has decided for us.

Nope -- you're not a thief. Not to me anyway. And no -- I don't support the RIAA.

Be well.

Originally posted by davidgrouchy

Your opinion doesn't count as valid research. When you're ready to tango with an intellectual come back and talk to me. Until then, I regard your posts as pure comedy.