Scary unemployment rate for African Americans

Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
As a white European but a huge hip hop head I feel that mainstream hip hop(hip pop) music may play a role, since the 90's it's been getting steadily dumbed down by design.

I agree.
Most of the black people I know
listen to music like this, and they hate hip/hop/rap.


David Grouchy

It’s no big thing. Statistically black people are behind whites in all aspects of life.

Life expectancy is lower than whites by about 7 percent

Blacks have a higher infant mortality rate

Blacks are arrested more than whites statistically. That’s mainly because of drug arrests.

As of 2009 the poverty rate for whites was 8 percent
The poverty rate for blacks is 24 percent

I mean maybe some other posters have said it maybe the conspiracy is that black people themselves are the reason why the unemployment rate is so high.through verbal abuse to peer pressure of "acting white" as other have said. So they don;t feel the need or want is the better word to learn and better one another.


But if that is so lets investigate deeper. Is it even possible for a race to hold itself back from growing as all humans grow and evolve??

Let's just say...if a white person and a black person with the same qualifications apply for the same job Im guessing the white person is gonna get that job.

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that brings up a good point I wonder what the numbers are on Black owned bussiness??

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I agree with all that you have said you should have created this thread.

Blacks don't work because most of them don't like to work (except blacks from other countries and not born and raised in America).

Their unemployment rate is self inflicted and always has been.

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You have not an iota of evidence to back up such a statement.

Originally posted by dude69
Let's just say...if a white person and a black person with the same qualifications apply for the same job Im guessing the white person is gonna get that job.

As was proven in our last presidential election...

Originally posted by i am just saying
Blacks don't work because most of them don't like to work (except blacks from other countries and not born and raised in America).

Their unemployment rate is self inflicted and always has been.

I disagree big time with this statement, You mean to say that if I offer a job to a black person they will turn it down?
I know of no one right now in this crappy job market that would snub a job.
Regards, Iwinder

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They have on numerous occasions did undercover operations where they would send in two people to apply for the same job and the black man would have greater qualifications and they would invariably give the job to the white man.

They have done the same stings with housing.

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Blacks don't work because most of them don't like to work

I think all humans feel they have need to work. to just have a feeling of self importance and pride and confidence to say that you can produce something build something or provide a service. So are you saying that black people have a moral problem because they don;t have this same need as the other races do??

Originally posted by American-philosopher
I mean maybe some other posters have said it maybe the conspiracy is that black people themselves are the reason why the unemployment rate is so high.through verbal abuse to peer pressure of "acting white" as other have said. So they don;t feel the need or want is the better word to learn and better one another.


But if that is so lets investigate deeper. Is it even possible for a race to hold itself back from growing as all humans grow and evolve??

Yes, it could be possible for a whole race to hold themselves back if, as a race, they continue to believe that they have nothing to offer.

Education is the key words...teach one another...quit with the self pity and the "I'm entitled to be taken care of" attitudes. Find your backbone and prove yourselves. Again...EDUCATION is the key...and I'm not just talking college degrees...or government run schools...or church on Sundays...Learn who and what your people were and are

that brings up a good point I wonder what the numbers are on Black owned business??

There is a black lady in my town that has a small business that she has run for many years. She is successful and makes quite a good living with what she sells.

I read the whole thread and not once was it mentioned that people over the age of 50 have been discriminated against for years and women in the work force over 50...man...another whole 'nother story.
I DO NOT think that it is skin color that keeps ANYBODY from getting employment...anyone can get a JOB, even if it is scrubbing toilets at McDonalds for crap pay....a job is a job...but right now....even jobs like that are few and far between, and if one has such a job, you need at least two or three more crap pay jobs to make ends meet.

On the other hand, education gets you a profession...that is NOT just a job. If someone is able to afford to go to college for what they enjoy doing, or get scholarships for such professions...again, skin color doesn't matter, it's how you use the education you have received that will give you advantage over others.

Will a white with the same qualifications beat a black out for the same job? That is up to the employer...Personal experience is the EMPLOYER is the one that makes the decision...and believe me...have seen it happen many times...being over 50 and a female, we are very much discriminated against.

Rule is, no matter age, ethnicity, or education...it is up to the individual to either better themselves or remain in the cess pool and keep taking the crap that is shoved down ones throats daily by the society that we live in.

People...things are what they are for all of us...no matter who we are...

Racial issues are inherently controversial, but we shouldn't let political correctness stop us from sharing our opinions about this racial "divide", in America, and other places.

What do black "leaders", entertainers and other public figures have to say about it?

I'm sure many can recall some classic Chris Rock here, but what about Bill Cosby? And Oprah?

Every now and then we get this "different" message, and I'd like to think that it's from people who care enough to just say it. Bottom line, there are aspects to "black culture" that are never going to help.

As other posters have already mentioned, that part of the subculture that attempts to keep the "brothers" in their place, by attaching a stigma to things that are considered "too white" (education, proper diction, etc.)

If we could put a word on this problem, we might conclude that there is something rather strong that remains within the black subculture that is anti-assimilation. Perhaps some would never imagine this today, with the recent trend in racial intermarriage that might suggest otherwise, but I think the issue remains. Blacks do not want to be "white", and mainstream culture (worldwide) does in fact derive from our history of European conquest, especially over the past three centuries.

This isn't necessarily a "crime", to want to retain your identity, to want to resist "joining" a culture that in many ways fails to reflect the values of a different people. It's no different from the Native American, who just doesn't want to "join" white America, and in some ways, would prefer the "poverty" of the reservation.

So, it's not so much that Native Americans, or blacks in this case, "enjoy" poverty, or would not like to have better things (jobs!), the question becomes, "at what price?"

If getting an education currently demands that you give up your friends (and for some people, friends are all you have), then that short window in everyone's life to get the education, is going to pass right by. And lots of consequences will (naturally) follow.

At this point, I don't think we need conspiracies, nor would we need to point too many fingers. It's just the way it is, and sadly, to expect big "change", isn't terribly realistic, IMO.

However, saying this, I DO still think there are real conspiracies involved when it comes to this issue, and the evidence is there.

Briefly, I believe that blacks were identified by the PTB as a "useful" group to further their agendas, a long time ago now. This being the case, blacks have been, and continue to be "manipulated" as a group even today (in spite of Obama in the White House).

So, while big "change" isn't realistic, especially under the circumstances, I also think there's hope. That hope would come primarily from raising the awareness that there are PTB that have "harnessed" blacks, as a group, and further, that the PTB are NOT white people (even though they may in fact be mostly "white"). It is TPTB that are the true "enemy" (of the human "race"), and need to be considered as distinct from Whitey!

JR

Racism or defeatism?
if they think they have no chance then they dont.
and his friends? they will be defeatist to.
so they will not support them.
and yes the one doing the interview will be a little racist.
and any attitude will destroy any chance they had.
so they will have to show they are better that whity.
but when whites see that blacks can be better than whites.
who do you think the boss will wont?
all they care about to day is profit.
in England Asians are doing very well at school.
because the family and friends support them.
the college are full of Asians.
attitude has a LOT to do with it.

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I don't know about races but certainly cultures.. just look at the middle east, they're living in the middle ages.

And while we're talking about culture, I don't subscribe to the view that western civilisation is civilised. We've got technology but this society is killing us softly.
Black people got dragged into 'civilisation', maybe it just weren't supposed to be.
Indigenous people usually don't integrate into white societies well, but they were more or less forced against their will. They wouldn't have a problem in a tribal society, but that's gone now, their cultures are a shadow of their former selves.

I have also thought about the idea of PTSD on a collective level, physically and metaphysically, think about it.
Growing up in the ghetto seeing your friends getting killed WILL f with your mind, police WILL f with your body, drugs WILL f with your community.

From watching Boondocks and reading the comic strip by the same name I'm also wondering if BET isn't partly responsible with their PROGRAMMING.



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Originally posted by TheLaughingGod
As a white European but a huge hip hop head I feel that mainstream hip hop(hip pop) music may play a role, since the 90's it's been getting steadily dumbed down by design. Like another poster said, black people 'acting white' getting called race traitors.. hip hop glorifying violence, stupidity and decadence.. how many black nerds do you know?

Black nerds? Not many, but all of them graduated from UEI or DeVry and were hired with 0% experience for 15% more pay than I was earnin despite my 10+ years, hands-on experience in the field as well as the interactions I had to "gussie" up to with the likes of regional and corporate managers of wireless providers such at AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint and the like... and just forget I had to train those aff/act candidates to do my job.

Then of course, there's always the poverty, a vicious circle of ghetto poverty. I don't know man, I don't know if institutional racism still play a role.. it did, but I don't know if it does. I don't think it's needed as an explanation though. There are more than enough factors that could account for this divergence.

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What about asian-americans? They're doing better than whites, I think that's a cultural thing though. Striving for perfection.

Absolutely, the Asians have it figured out, at least to their advantage. Too bad the "african-American" people can't figure it out.

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I graduated Devry and nobody gave me a job, so I don’t know what you’re talking about.

For decades black people were deliberately kept out of good jobs in this country; housing; loans; education; freedom of movement, not to mention lynchings in the south. They don’t have the unity and homogeneousness of the Asians because they are descendent of slaves, who where taken from all parts of Africa, and don’t even know where there ancestors come from.
Cut off from their language, culture, and religion and don’t have a clue what part of Africa their ancestors are from. That’s why Asians do better because they have something tangible to look at for a culture, such as a language or motherland. Black people in America don’t.

If anything it is a minor miracle black people have survived.

When you look at the treatment of the majority of black people in America from the times of slavery up until today, then it is plain to see that keeping them as the underclass has been a well orchestrated conspiracy. Let's roughly list the sequence of events that has led up to the present.

1. Widespread Psychological Damage - Millions of African people were violently forced to come to this country and were treated worse than animals. They were tortured, raped, and murdered and this included both children and adults. Sadistic white people who owned slaves or found jobs as "over seers" could act out their sickest fantasies on children and adults leaving deep emotional scars that pass down into future generations.

2. Fear of an Education - For those slaves or freed slaves who were lucky enough to not have their minds destroyed from psychological and sexal abuse, they were threatened with death or torture for trying to become knowledgeable and educated.

3. Discrimination & Poverty- For those few who managed to become educated and were not killed, they were denied work experience and the ability to further their career. This ensured that they would remain in poverty because jobs that required an education were still reseved for white people. It was even hard for black people to get a decent wage for blue collar jobs, as these jobs were also reserved for whites. They were expected to continue picking cotton as if they were still slaves and were not paid hardly any money at all for the jobs they were allowed to have.

3. Segregation / Inequal Education - When education became mandatory in many of the southern states sometime around the1900s, black schools were not equipped with the same resources or quality of teachers as the white schools. The state governments underfunded black schools so that they would remain uneducated.

4. Imprisonment / Lynching - If somehow your spirit still wasn't broken and you dared to achieve something with the little you were given, there was always a good chance that a white person who found out about your success would outright kill you or send you to prison.

5. Generational Discrimination / Welfare - Lack of a quality education combined with lack of work experience in certain white collar jobs, meant that most black people could not join the middle class in the 1950s and 1960s. Many of them ended up on welfare when the US began its transition into a services oriented country. Also in the 1950s if you were trapped into taking welfare because you couldn't find luck, once you got on welfare you weren't allowed to work to try to get off. It was against the rules to work.

6. Drugs / Civil Rights - It is no suprise that as soon as black people demanded civil rights, that drugs became widely available in black communites. Affirmative action laws and programs for histroically impoverished blacks to attend institutions of higher education seems to "coincidentally" coincide with drugs being introduced into black communities. They US government decided not to outwardly discriminate, but rather give black people the tools to self sabatoge themselves on wide scale.

7. Black Success / Negative Stereotypes - Yes, there are a minority of black families that managed to escape each snare, but this is the exception rather than rule. Now the US government and the powers that be have decided to go back to square one of using psychological weapons. They replaced the image of black success with that of negative stereotypes. Former drug dealers and criminals turned musicians who promote self destruction are now viewed as success stories.

People in this country who aren’t descendent of slaves know who they are.
You might be a German, a Pole, Italian, or Asian. Black people don’t know where they come from. They don’t have a language or culture like others do to fall back on. They were stripped of all cultural identity and forced to adapt a western cultural identity while at the same time being a slave. Don’t you think in those hereditary genes will be some type of conflict?

Not to mention the outward part of being then rejected and made a third class citizen the years after slavery and only up until the 1960’s was there any admission by the American culture that there may be problems in the black community because of decades of overt racism.
And that was done because of riots and years of the civil rights struggle by black people.

For decades in the south blacks were lynched if they just looked at a white woman.

They were lynched if they started to talk about voting rights.

They had to send the National Guard in to let black children integrate schools in the south.

And in the north they hardly could get decent jobs, only in factories. And forget about getting a house in the suburbs, blacks were excluded.

Blacks couldn’t get loans to buy houses

The army was segregated until the late 40’s

They were made to ride on the back of buses in the south and had to give white people seats

This only scratches the surface, but is the bitter experience of blacks in this country and for any of you white people to dare judge black people and you haven’t remotely been through what they have been through historically or presently, is a joke.

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Nope.
My brother took the state police test (written/physical) they failed him half a point on the physical and one guy told him "I'm real sorry but we only need minorities"