So What about the Rights of the POLICE!?!?!?

Originally posted by kevinunknown
reply to post by zroth

 

They don’t have any more or less rights than the rest of us, we are all subject to the same laws

This is just a silly statement. I am happy to contribute to the thread but it has to stay grounded in reality.

Everyday I see police on their cell phones, running red lights while tailgating travelers. just 1 examples to debate this claim.

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by Prowler33

 

Than you are aware of the training and how you are told to arresst someone. You are trained on how to perform a arm hold and leg kick to drop a person to the ground. And during that training you were told more ways of not to do it because you would break someones arm or cause facial injuries to person because they would land on there face with no way to protect themselves. But you also know other officers that do it the wrong way on purpose and know what there desired effect is on that person. Now what are there rights again?

Yes, there is a force continuum and in my personal experience, 90% or more of all arrests require ZERO force other than a verbal command to put their hands behind their back.

For the other 10%....We are trained in DEFENSIVE tactics and it is reactive to the suspect's actions. The suspect should dictate the amount of force an officer responds with.

With that said, YES, an officer will always respond with one or two levels of force above the stimulus that the suspect does. For example, if a suspect pulls a knife on a cop, the policeman will use his pistol. If a suspect displays active aggression by punching a cop, he will respond with an impact weapon (baton) or a taser.

At the end of the day, a cop just wants to go home alive. If we are in a fight, we are afraid of being knocked out and the suspect grabbing our pistol and shooting us. It's happened. There are people that will kill us and we will defend ourselves. It will not look good on the evening news, it may get us fired, but survival out there is key.

Before you judge us, please head Compton, Harlem, Detroit, or South Dallas and try to be a "peace officer" and enforce the laws. I can show you neighborhoods that the POSTAL SERVICE will not deliver mail to because it is so dangerous. When you "walk the beat" of these neighborhoods, you will understand that it truly is a matter of survival to us and not just a power trip.

reply to post by murphy22


I understand your point of view but in reality a cops life really is put in danger every day when they are working. You are right that there is definitely an uneven balance in entitlement to respect. It should be a mutual respect between the two and not in favor of any ONE. Understandably that you feel if they disrespect you then you should totally disrespect them but a bigger person would point out in a respectful way to the officer that the way they are treating you is morally and ethically wrong. Disrespect as a response only serves to inflame a situation.

reply to post by HellstormRising


I think a lot of them would then take offense of you saying that, and then make your life even more miserable. It would not make a difference how hard you tried to be nice about it.

I put out an honest challenge for all you police haters:

put on the uniform for 1 SHIFT, come work with me, and after that you'll have the right to tell me I'm a brain washed, violent, gun toting, steroid pumped, death deserving punk...

but I know that after being assaulted, yelled at, chasing idiots drinking and driving and not stopping, then picking up the body pieces from the resulting accident, you won't have the same outlook on my profession...

This is a serious invite. I DARE anyone to do it. But I know none of you police haters will take up the challenge... Some of you can't because you are criminals (so you hate us because we always end up stopping you from doing what you know best), and the others, well you just won't because you are damn scared *snip*

Magnum

Originally posted by kevinunknown


" it’s not the police that have this power, it’s the law, its society itself that needs laws for without law there would be anarchy and we need people to enforce these laws, the police. That does not mean they are above the law only that they enforce it, if they break it they will be punished just like the rest of us. "







There is no law outside of one's self. We obey what we choose. Police have the power to punish, or capture for punishment and that is probably why most people look down at policing as a profession. Also I think history proves that they don't get punished "just like the rest of us"
en.wikipedia.org...


Not to mention they have the "right" to escalate a situation to control it by force. That in itself is non-sense to me.
I believe it is called the force-pyramid. or something
www.cityofseattle.net...
Above just as an example


I am fond of police and work within the legal system; However, I do know the system has flaws. To represent that system inherently has flaws. That is idealogical. We can't live that way so for the most part we have good people trying to do the right thing. Also, with the nature of what a cop does (submersing himself into the entire negativity of mankind), is it any wonder some of them turn out bad?

edit on 2-4-2011 by eazyriderl_l because: I added the larger space to separate your words from mine due to quote box error.

When the people that pay you are the target of your intimidation, you have to expect backlash.. If we had a more social, more involved approach to law enforcement it wouldn't be so bad. As of know we have presumed guilt and degradation as a fundamental of "ground level" law enforcement. We catch people we don't know, often for questionable reasons as opposed to having a local relationship that discourages crime and distrust in the first place. It really gives the impression of exploitation for money and control.

reply to post by kevinunknown


I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. I cannot say I understand why you are doing this though. Why throw yourself to the wolves for nothing? Not one person on ATS will give second thought to how they feel on this subject, actually it is like that with most subject on ATS. Sure you will get a few here that will agree just as I did but really after years of being on ATS I see nothing more than hate on this subject and those involved.

Even if you could show police doing something right people will say they are supposed to be doing that, it is their job. If you show one doing their job with a video that does not show the full incident then the cop is an evil prick. Not saying there are not bad cops as there certainly are, but in the eyes of ATS all cops are evil. Most here are closed-minded to rational thought when it comes to the subject, because many agree with criminal activity.

I said more than I intended to and will end it now. Just know you are fighting a losing battle on this subject. I gave up hope on it years ago. Good try though.

Raist

Most people have no problem stripping prisoners/felons of their rights...

Most kops do more harm to society than any of those guys ever did...

Originally posted by JBA2848
When they choose to wear a badge and up hold the law they choose to be held to a higher standard. If they don't like the job there paid to do and feel like they should not be held to a higher standard than quit.

edit on 2-4-2011 by JBA2848 because: (no reason given)

Could not have said it better!! I have seen people run red lights with a cop sitting in the lane next to me. Nothing done. On the highway other cars were blasting past me and the cop pulls me over. His explanation ? I was the easiest to catch since I was only going 5 mph over the limit. Laziness and corruption. When I was growing up there was respect for them. Today there is just contempt.

just please stop the taser abuse..
it was meant to be an alternative to deadly force, nothing more..
then we can talk about rights..

www.amnestyusa.org...

reply to post by Magnum007


What do you want a medal? I have been assaulted on numerous occasion's by the police or as they are known in Glasgow, the Filth! I once had my arm broken and vertebrae fractured by these good old boy's, all for nothing i may add. You might be one of the good one's, i don't know. If you are i can tell you that for everyone of you there are ten *snip* idiot's, you know the one's, the one's that get beat up by their wife's and take it out on the general public, or where bullied at school and now it's PAY BACK TIME! Give a man a uniform and he will loose his common sense, give a man a police uniform and he will loose his soul!!!

Originally posted by Uncle Gravity
reply to post by Magnum007

 

What do you want a medal? I have been assaulted on numerous occasion's by the police or as they are known in Glasgow, the Filth! I once had my arm broken and vertebrae fractured by these good old boy's, all for nothing i may add. You might be one of the good one's, i don't know. If you are i can tell you that for everyone of you there are ten Fkn idiot's, you know the one's, the one's that get beat up by their wife's and take it out on the general public, or where bullied at school and now it's PAY BACK TIME! Give a man a uniform and he will loose his common sense, give a man a police uniform and he will loose his soul!!!

For those who are not from Glasgow, this is a classical “ned” response to anything about the police.

A lot of folks who are preoccupied with perceived authority have mommy/daddy issues from childhood. But instead of seeing that, they project their fears onto police, "establishment", "the powers that be", "illuminati", "corporations" and other supposed boogymen. With this fear/hate they disempower and cripple not the powerful but themselves. .Sure, one in a hundred police officers probably lack integrity, but thats not what police-hatred is all about.

reply to post by Skyfloating


That sounds about right. I think you hit the nail on the head.

Raist

reply to post by kevinunknown

For those who are not from Glasgow, this is a classical “ned” response to anything about the police.

I wouldn't know about a ned response to Police in Glasgow as i am not one! Although if you think that only neds in Glasgow have a problem with the Police then you are living on Fantasy Island.

reply to post by Skyfloating

A lot of folks who are preoccupied with perceived authority have mommy/daddy issues from childhood.

Lol........Like who? If you mean me Sigmund you are sadly wrong, i had a wonderful upbringing!

Sure, one in a hundred police officers probably lack integrity, but thats not what police-hatred is all about.

One in an hundred? Where do you stay Paradise?
One good one in every hundred you mean, surely!
Who said i hated the Police, stop putting text into my mouth!

reply to post by JibbyJedi


Are the police "brainwashed"? Or is it we who are the subjects of an attempt at brainwashing? I can only guess that many of those who are posting/ creating cop bashing threads 1. don't know any cops in real life, 2. have their own issues with authority, or 3. have an agenda to discredit law enforcement and gin up resentment toward cops in general.

Let's say it works. Who benefits if TSHTF? I note that many of these posters are the same ones who advocate oppressive regulations and mandates, advocate looking the other way regarding illegal immigration or groups of people disturbing the peace- and safety or comfort, of everyone (else), and often the socialist perspective of "redistributing wealth". That's pretty interesting...pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.

I've been on the wrong end of a rookie cop in a tiny town speed trap, so yeah, stuff can happen- but where oh where is someone who will post the actual statistics of "police brutality" or "authoritarian overreach"? I want to see the numbers. I am also *very* familiar with corruption in city/ county politics from the standpoint of construction/ code compliance and vector control (mosquitoes and animals, wild and domestic). This is where the real problems lie.
ATF and the Feds, I can't speak to, but the local guys, Dept of Public Safety and the Texas Rangers don't have many- if any, who deviate from their stated purpose. Some of them are too conservative in the way they do their jobs. (I'm saying that too lenient is more common than too overbearing)

IMHO, it's not real smart to turn on the people who risk their lives every day (for pyss poor pay) to protect us AND our rights. Naturally, those who are itching for the "revolution" see it differently. The last thing they need is for people to trust someone other than them or their agenda. No, LEOs aren't perfect- they're human. But I trust the cops I know (and their peers) a LOT faster than I'd trust a cop hater.

reply to post by Uncle Gravity


Funny you should say that because I am from Glasgow......