Near proof of HAARP causing earthquakes, and direct evidence that contradicts HAARP website

Originally posted by 1AnunnakiBastardAnyway I'll recall the document available in the website of U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, reported by that woman, "Natalie" on George Norry's C2C...

C2C is about two notches short of Rense.

At any rate, she's quoting Kucinich's "space buddies" bill in its original form, which is a sad statement on the technical prowess of our legislators, and the 2025 document. I bet you won't find her include the preface and summary of 2025, because when you do, it explains that it's a grad student project of MAFB air war college, and is not some laundry list of off the shelf weapons. But everyone tries to make out like it's this soooooper secret document stolen from the AF and maybe I'll be killed for posting it but here IT IS!

Pfeh.

You guys should really read the context in which these things are developed, by whom, and what the intentions were. But that takes all the fun out.

Originally posted by Pervius

Decades ago simple devices were made to rock a small pendulum back and forth. They attached this tiny device to bridges and if they matched the harmonic frequency of the bridge they could get it to rock/sway....even fail.

You match the harmonic frequency of anything....very little power is needed to de-stabilize it. HAARP can destabilize fault lines causing earthquakes...and doesn't even need to be on high power.

This isn't really true.

Let's start with Tesla - oddly, his "resonator" which he claimed caused so much damage that he had to destroy it to saaaave the city (a nice twist on TDAMH), wasn't documented anywhere, other than by himself.

No news article, no comments from people working on the building, no seismological records, nothing.

Of course, ol' T was after some funding. He then stated that "he could SPLIT THE EARTH WITH TNT!!". And was challenged and had to recant.

Why, you might ask. Well, in order to get some sort of Tacoma River Narrows resonance effects, you have to have a structure that actually HAS a well defined resonance, it also has to have very little dissipation (high Q) and you have to have enough energy input that you overcome all losses and end up with a surplus all the way until the system fails in some manner. That's why you don't see pendulum clocks swing bigger and BIGGER until they're doing circles and snap!

It's also why when you're swinging as a kid, the swing gets so large and then stops.

Or, hell, I can hit a note in this room with the door closed and it'll resonate pretty well. It's annoying to the other guys (one reason I do it) because it really sings - but the room doesn't start wobbling around and then detonate.

Why? Simple loss. You're putting in little bits of energy, and you hit a resonance, and that allows you to store SOME energy in the resonant elements of the system, but as the thing starts to grow, so do the losses, and at some point, you lose as much as you're putting in. End of story.

Can it contribute to a systems failure? Absolutely. Is it likely you can attach a wind up clock thing to a building and Jericho it into rubble? No.

I know people like to bandy "resonance" and "frequency" around as magic destructive forces, but I'm going to wave the wet blanket wand of "low Q" at you and defeat your resonance attack.

Just gotta ask this question. Why would they want to do this? And don't bring up this non-existent tbtb spiel either. What is a serious reason haarp would want to create mass panic, loss of life and property and pure destruction?

reply to post by THEDUDE86


Keep dreaming, we do not have the power to wield Earthquakes as a weapon, every Earthquake that has happened was mother nature's work, not the work of man, and I'm pretty sure I have far more proof of this, that far outweighs the supposed proof you have

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
I could PROVE HAARP makes people stupider. Just look at this thread! But anyone who disagrees with me is paid diinfo, trying to fool you into believing in a HAARP induced fantasy.

I laughed so hard when I read your response!!!! It is so funny how people overlook things. PBS did 2 different documentaries about the Magnetosphere and the Solar Max. If you watch both and have studied Tesla's work, you will see how it works, if you keep an open mind. If HAARP pushes the ionosphere outward, a solar flare and satelite energy could push it back, like putting pressure on a pimple. And it goes "POP". Tesla stated that if he had enough energy he could split the world in 2, and this was back at the turn of the century. Where did his notes and work go? The government took it and used it and kept it from public view. I tend to believe Tesla, and that he could have split the world in 2 with harmonic frequency. And that's what it is all about, sound waves, energy waves and the like.

reply to post by THEDUDE86


I'm certainly not wise enough to really interpret all this but I have to say its nice to see thought out, investigative threads like this with actual evidence being presented for debate. Regardless of whether its true they can make quakes or not, its a breath of fresh air after all these stupid doom/prediction/dot in the sky "ufo", threads based on youtube videos from nameless authors with no actual evidence for their ludicrous claims.

Originally posted by daddio
If HAARP pushes the ionosphere outward, a solar flare and satelite energy could push it back, like putting pressure on a pimple. And it goes "POP".

Only, there isn't a structure to go "pop". It's more a condition than a rigid structure, like your pimple. It's a bad vacuum, with ionized gas in.

Tesla stated that if he had enough energy he could split the world in 2, and this was back at the turn of the century.

Then he was challenged on it, and recanted. That isn't in 14 point font in the books, though.

Where did his notes and work go? The government took it and used it and kept it from public view.

Actually more than one government. We got some of it, and some went to Serbia. Then some of it was stolen from Serbia, some of it was returned by us, it's sort of hard to follow after a while.

...and that he could have split the world in 2 with harmonic frequency.

Frequency of what? Harmonic to what? These terms have pretty distinct definitions in physics, but sadly they were among those that were absconded by the Queen of Woo, Madame Blavatsky. From her, they reentered the common vernacular with no real definitions other than "cosmic, man!"

"Harmonic" just means it's an even integer multiple of the fundamental frequency. Not that it's "cosmically tuned to a different reality" or the like.

And actually, Tesla never said squat about 'harmonic frequency' there - he said he could set off small charges of explosives in one spot every few hours and split the world in two. It drew the attention of a few physicists who questioned him on his amazing discovery of mechanically lossless dirt and rock, and he recanted. You have to hand it to Tesla - he really went all out when he needed funding.

Originally posted by LanceG
Why would you even glance at the HAARP website twice, much less hold up the page as a _standard_ against which you make your case? Make up your OWN mind!
LG

I agree make up your own mind, which does by the way require knowledge of what your making it up about.
the links the op provides are a part of that knowledge.

Here's an insanely huge write up on EMI regarding electronic interference, failure, or damage. Though these types of facilities had better be well aware of these and take great measures to avoid any such ranges from transmitting, though were they to need to test a frequency range in the danger zone I don't know how they would...


cryptome.org...

Originally posted by Nefarious
Here's an insanely huge write up on EMI regarding electronic interference, failure, or damage...

They don't call the Blackhawk the "crashhawk" for nothing.

The first block would kill you if you flew too close to an FM station, before they fixed the control system shielding.

...and that he could have split the world in 2 with harmonic frequency.

Frequency of what? Harmonic to what? These terms have pretty distinct definitions in physics, but sadly they were among those that were absconded by the Queen of Woo, Madame Blavatsky. From her, they reentered the common vernacular with no real definitions other than "cosmic, man!"

"Harmonic" just means it's an even integer multiple of the fundamental frequency. Not that it's "cosmically tuned to a different reality" or the like.

And actually, Tesla never said squat about 'harmonic frequency' there - he said he could set off small charges of explosives in one spot every few hours and split the world in two. It drew the attention of a few physicists who questioned him on his amazing discovery of mechanically lossless dirt and rock, and he recanted. You have to hand it to Tesla - he really went all out when he needed funding.

Please watch this video www.youtube.com... and explain to me why this could not work with the tectonic plates here on Earth. Why couldn't HAARP produce sound waves tuned to a specific frequency and cause an earthquake? And to the one who posted the question of "Why" government would want to create major disasters; it is to create dependency. If we are dire straits, we are left at the mercy of the government! This is part of the one world domination that is in the works. Or at least this is my belief.

Originally posted by blaznlex1Why couldn't HAARP produce sound waves tuned to a specific frequency and cause an earthquake?

Because it's a radio transmitter, and radio is not sound. Might as well why can't parakeets crap out RDX and make little explosive eggs.

I didn't watch the yt link - is that the goofy one with Frakes narrating where the guy uses a subwoofer to try to prove a point? If so, there's *dozens* of inaccuracies, sleights of hand and lies.

Close temporal correspondence between geomagnetic anomalies and earthquakes during the 2002–2003 eruption of Etna volcano

G. Currenti,1 C. Del Negro,1 M. Johnston,2 and Y. Sasai3
Received 5 March 2007; revised 28 May 2007; accepted 18 June 2007; published 12 September 2007.
[1] The early stages of the 2002–2003 lateral eruption at Mount Etna were accompanied
by slow changes (over some hours) and some rapid step offsets in the local magnetic
field. At five monitoring locations, the total magnetic field intensity has been measured
using continuously operating Overhauser magnetometers at a sampling rate of 10 s. The
very unique aspect of these observations is the close temporal correspondence between
magnetic field offsets and earthquakes that occurred in the upper northern flank of the
volcano on 27 October 2002 prior to a primary eruption. Rapid coseismic changes of the
magnetic field were clearly identified for three of the most energetic earthquakes, which
were concentrated along the Northeast Rift at a depth of about 1 km below sea level.
Coseismic magnetic signals, with amplitudes from 0.5 to 2.5 nT, have been detected for
three of the largest seismic events located roughly midway between the magnetic stations.
We quantitatively examine possible geophysical mechanisms, which could cause the
magnetic anomalies. The comparison between magnetic data, seismicity and surface
phenomena implies that piezomagnetic effects are the primary physical mechanism
responsible for the observed magnetic anomalies although the detailed cause of the rapid
high stress change required is not clear. The modeling of the observed coseismic magnetic
changes in terms of piezomagnetic mechanism provides further evidence of the complex
interaction between volcanic and tectonic processes during dike propagation along the
Northeast Rift.

Very interesting, and here's a bit from HAARP directly regarding geomagnetism relating to the project:

www.haarp.alaska.edu...

Magnetic field variations of interest in this program are those induced by electric currents in the ionosphere. The major signal categories detected by the induction magnetometer are short period magnetic pulsations such as Pc1, Pc2, Pc3, PiB, and PiC in a frequency range above a few tens of milliHertz. Among these, the induction magnetometer most efficiently detects Pc1 waves in the frequency range from 0.1 Hz to 3 Hz. Pc1 signals are the result of ion-cyclotron radiation generated near the equatorial plane of the outer-magnetosphere that make their way to the ionosphere guided by the magnetic lines of force. In addition, signals generated in the atmosphere that are caused by lightning discharges, the Schuman resonances, are also detected and sometimes become strong enough to mask signals from the ionosphere.

reply to post by Bedlam

No, the video is showing how to break glass with soundwaves by tuning in to the frequency it creates and magnifying it with a speaker. It shows in slow motion how the glass will begin to vibrate from the sound created and then shatter.

So you don't believe these loud rumblings people have been hearing that last 10-20 mins. are coming from HAARP?

reply to post by blaznlex1


The video is clearly showing the effects of a shock wave by sound - air compression..
Yes and in fact earthquakes are often triggered by vibrations and it definatley cause vibrations . . .
What happens with crystal glass can also happen with earth; earth is mostly silica crystal.

HAARP is a radio signaling array; so it transmits electromagnetic signals.
Can EM be converted to acoustic shock waves? Certainly.

Can HAARP be used to cause a specific directed earthquake at a specific required/wished location - NO!

I stated before: There is a good possibility that HAARP might have triggered two earthquakes; though there is no concrete proof. In one occasion the Chinese did monitor radio magnetic pulses from direction of Alaska and they clearly accused the USA on diplomatic and public level.

BTW: There are only TWO full featured HAARP like arays in the world as far as I know:
HAARP & HIPAS in Alaska
ZSAP of China in Antarctica.

Possible three more but not with confirmed abilities of transmission:
CHIRP in Xinjiang, China;
Jindalee WA, Australia;
Jicamarca, Peru.

Then there are a larger number of EISCAT arrays - at least 27.

NOTE: My data might be a bit old since I last updated my study in this during Feb 2010.

I am not sure about HAARP in Alaska, but the Chinese array in Alaska also has a deep underground array on each of the 20 main antenae. This were observed during drilling and installations in 2006. This fact does give a complete different and lessor known abilitiy to Terra Firma manipulations.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by kwakakev

 

A speaker that produces soundwaves in the very low Hertz frequencies must have an ENCLOSURE!! Especially, something in the BACK to reverberate!!

Have you heard of a plasma speaker? en.wikipedia.org... . There are other speaker designs that do not use a cone or enclosure as the typical speaker designs have. For the low Hertz frequencies it is more the size of the speaker than the design, but design does help.

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by kwakakev
Another thought, if this cavitation effect can work 100km up in the sky, what is to stop it working 20km down underground and hit it right at the source for an earthquake?

Well, in the ionosphere, you've got loose electrons you can bang around pretty easily with a radio wave.

20km underground, you can't really get a radio wave TO it - the ground tends to dissipate radio energy as heat. And then you're sort of delivery limited - the energy density of, say HAARP 100km up is really quite low, even pumping in several MW of energy at ground level - just a 20km distance is an issue, but when you hum in a staggering path loss, 3-4 MW of power isn't a lot, when you're talking about setting up macro-effects in rock.

I know there are big problems in getting a HF signal deep into the ground. It has been done with ground penetrating radar but I cannot see it working well enough to cause an earthquake without massive, stellar amounts of energy. It is what happens with the ELF frequencies that are introduced for long periods of time where a lot of the concern is as their ground penetrating capabilities is a lot stronger. The induction magnetometer does show steady signals in the 2-3 Hz range being consistently produced for days before a major earthquake hits.

The question is what is the physical process that transfers this ELF electromagnetic energy to kinetic energy? Is it a dipole rotation, cavitation, Schumann resonances, a mixture or something else? There are lots of statements around that the military is working on this, ignore it at your own peril.

reply to post by Bedlam


@BEDLAM: I appreciate you informed input and the better than usual knowledge!

Please do not see my reply as an attack; people sometimes tend to think I am aggressive. I am merely a student which wants to understand better; and I believe better understanding can only come from challenging conversation - which gives for clarity.

In reply to your reply:

Nope; Magnetic as in magnetic pulses. Similar to just normal generation of electricity.
Resonance as in peak on peak pulse in time. When observing solar events there are magnetic pulses (besides all the other like x-Ray, Proton, etc which also creates electrical effects). Should it happen that these pulses are in sync with a specific location on Earth - that is where my theory linking Solar and Earth events comes in.

YES! I am the first to admit at present it is a theory that does have lots of corresponding incidents. That is why I am still working on it and amongst other spending at least 6 hours every day on tables between Solar and Earth events.

IRIS investigations:
If one have 10,000 earthquakes per year;
and 1,000 of them corresponds with solar events there is a question mark.
IRIS compared only earthquakes with sizes and quantity of sunspots and major solar flares.
For some reason they did not compare with solar magnetic flux.

At present IRIS and others are back on the wagon of linking Solar events with Earth events; this time around there are more eyes and more brains batting the topic and the picture does look very promising.

NOT all earthquakes are solar triggered; NOT all solar flares triggers an earthquake; Now that makes it intermittent with results of this being thrown out as not-early-warning-ability. Then add in that whatever the solar flares does; it can NEVER point to where and exactly WHEN an earthquake will take place . . .

Mostly you have a large solar flare with large magnetic flux hand-in-hand, but not always. We have for this past few days a sudden increase in magnetic flux, protons and shockwaves on the surface of the sun - but no flare bigger than B8. What we do observe is an increase fluctuation on solar windspeed and magnetic flux density at near earth satellites. All indications there might be large solar flare sometime in next two days.

On earth nothing really strange; we had some increase in earthquake frequency in unstable areas - and a few in lesser prone areas. No data is concrete - yet.

"Solar magnetic influx ... " is definitely NOT a static field.
Have a look at this real time graph: Third graph in blue set: B field and B-field total in nanoTesla.
Data combination from Near Earth SDO and HINODE satellites.

www.lmsal.com...

HAARP does have the ability of transmitting radio waves throughout the full radio spectrum - at least.
On the EM scale, radio waves are all in Low Frequencies.
What exactly the range of ELF definition is differs to whom you are talking to. In general USA says 3 to 30 Hz; WHO says 3Hz to 100KHz. Whichever the "Shumann like" Earth resonance lies in ELF at about 7 to 13 Hz.
As for earthquakes; resonance frequencies will depend on structure, size and composition of the rockplate. Since we are talking of magnetic pulses, it seems to be rather longtitudal. Depth into earth is not really restricted.

Lastly; the signs I am referring to are quite well documented outside of CT sites; by general public, TV, news reports and government agencies.

BTW of interest: I am very ANTI-Conspiracy Theory.

Originally posted by THEDUDE86
I do believe that a small pulse of electricity over and over can create something much bigger.....DO you understand how a 50,000 volt taser can incapacitate a man with a 9 volt battery....To say that just a few megawatts can not create something large, is somewhat an ignorant statement. You simply do not know how much power it would take, and often in environments such as the Ionosphere it might be much less than you believe.

From Wikipedia on Electroshock Weapons:

The internal circuits of most electroshock weapons are fairly simple, based on either an oscillator, resonant circuit, and step-up transformer or a diode-capacitor voltage multiplier to achieve the continuous, direct, or alternating high-voltage discharge.

In other words, the original 9 volt signal is amplified by circuitry inside the weapon to increase the voltage to the incapacitating charge existing at the weapon's output. The one I'm familiar with sends the 9 volt input through a chain of diode rectifiers that increase the voltage in stages until it reaches the output. It has nothing to do with "a small pulse of electricity over and over" creating "something much bigger".

So I suppose my point here is that I'm not understanding how you arrived at your analogy comparing the function of a taser to the amplification of HAARP signals in the Ionosphere.

reply to post by BuzzCory


www-star.stanford.edu... helps explain how the signal from HAARP does receive an amplification effect in the magnetosphere from the ionosphere heating.

reply to post by kwakakev


I'm afraid I'll have to take your word for it on that; that paper goes 'way beyond any understanding of electronics I have. But thanks for throwing the link at me anyway...