Near proof of HAARP causing earthquakes, and direct evidence that contradicts HAARP website

reply to post by THEDUDE86

Also, do you really think that the organizations running these experiments would place that they were causing them, seems pretty easy to say it occurred naturally....

Seems you do, isn't that why you started this thread?

Why are you ignoring the fact that they say the largest reading was from an aurora passing through the radar.
The very same time that you claim an earthquake was caused by it...

Do auroras cause earthquakes now?

reply to post by Chadwickus


your not thinking outside of the box.....it is the electrical effects that are causing these quakes. Something that creates the cavitation. causing the energy to be shot downward absorbed in the ground. The vibrations caused because of the low frequency can cause the rock to vibrate. Hitting the right note would cause it to snap.....

It can be created in labs through acoustic waves. Now I am asking you to think outside of the box.....not attack the paper and say its disproved like that. Other post I have read from you show the same mentality from you

On March 26th, the Japanese unveiled a car that is cheap, affordable, and runs only on water. This had to be in the planning for awhile.

It is a fact that Nicola Tesla created tectonic plate weaponry a century ago. He sold the patents to Westinghouse. Who owns Westinghouse? The Rockefellers. Rockefellers = oil. Connect the dots.

reply to post by THEDUDE86


Well mate, when you claim an experiment in observing natural cavitation in the ionosphere from Norway is man made cavitation in the ionosphere from HAARP, I gotta say something, because it's flat out wrong.

Is it possible there is a correlation with chemtrails? Could chemtrails create the ability to be accurate with directing the waves?

Actually, I think you'll find that myself and Chadwickus (see my post below his on page 2) aren't attacking the paper. We're doing what any half-competent intellectual does, and reading the papers.

There's been multiple references in this thread to this being a HAARP experiment. Nowhere in either of the two documents does it state HAARP was involved. It also goes further, and says in the arxiv paper that this was studying natural events in the ionosphere, not artificial.

Also, this big list of countries that keeps getting dragged out to show "Oh no, HAARP is a big bad evil multi-national plot," that's the list of nations involved in the EISCAT radar in Norway. So unless you're saying EISCAT is also a doomsday weapon, then your supposed proof of this being an international conspiracy is also out the window as well.

I'd also like to point out the fact that you're hypothesising a fantastic in detail knowledge of the behaviour and manipulation of plasmas, something which is beyond modern science right now. In fact, one of the goals of HAARP is to actually acquire this knowledge. If we knew half as much about plasmas as you're all going on about, we'd have cracked fusion power a long time ago, because we'd be able to create a nice stable self burning plasma.

Right, let's keep going with this. Let's hypothesise, that, ok, you say the energy can get "shot down" to the surface. I'm not even going to go into how that just simply wouldn't work, but let's roll with it for a moment. HAARP's peak output is 3.6MW. Let's assume they excite the ionosphere, for, say, 30 seconds. That mean's were looking at 18MJ of energy being put into the atmosphere. Let's then assume that all of this energy then gets transmitted downwards with 100% efficiency (not physically possibly, by the way.) That amount of energy, if released explosively, would be equivalent to the energy of about 4kgs of TNT. That's a pretty negligible amount. That's not even enough to destabilise a high stress fault line. This isn't even including the issues of how you'd target it, get a controlled resonance in precisely the target area, the sheer number of variables involved and the mountain of information you'd need to even begin to model the target area correctly.

Next point. You reference energy being shot down. This would seem to imply the excitation of the ionosphere above the target area. First off, there's minimal line of sight between HAARP and the ionosphere above Turkey. Secondly, what little line of sight there is, there's a lot of intermediary ionosphere. So direct excitation by HAARP is totally out of the question. Secondly, ionosphere excitation would lead to noticeable side effects, similar to that of a solar flare, ie - aurorae, interference with satellite telecommunications, etc. And none of these were reported in Turkey before the quake.

Have I made myself abundantly clear that there's absolutely zero correlation between HAARP and that earthquake? ATS claims to be about people having an open mind, part of that is a willingness to read and interpret new data, even if it contradicts your previously held beliefs. I suggest you take that to heart.

reply to post by THEDUDE86

I'm wondering (and I'll try NOT to show my ignorance), but could HAARP get their results from a layer of the atmosphere that's inside the ionisphere and have less consequential results?

reply to post by AlphaOfTheOmega


Don't forget that in 1999 HAARP wasn't at full power. That didn't happen until 2007. In 1999 the transmitter power would have only been 960 kW.

FFS ,its theatre............. 2nd FFS ................ DILLIGAF

reply to post by kwakakev


>sigh<

As bedlam (and others) pointed out, this is a silly claim, and certainly not even "near" 'proof' ("Near proof"?? Like, almost pregnant??)

The power levels are MINISCULE....TINY. The ionosphere is many kilometers over the Earth's surface. And your fantasy of a "gigantic speaker"? Nonsense:

The though[t] of having a speaker big enough to get a whole city thumping is so cool.

A speaker that produces soundwaves in the very low Hertz frequencies must have an ENCLOSURE!! Especially, something in the BACK to reverberate!!

Above the Earth's atmosphere is OPEN SPACE. Vacuum, vacuum and more vacuum. Sound will not travel in a vacuum....and that vacuum will NOT provide a "base" of reflectivity, either.

No.....it's far more interesting to just believe any old fantasy idea, no matter how made up and coartoonish, rather than bothering to think logically and scientifically, isn't it?

(What has happened to the school systems and educational quality, all over the World, in the last several decades??? >doubble sigh

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by AlphaOfTheOmega

 

Don't forget that in 1999 HAARP wasn't at full power. That didn't happen until 2007. In 1999 the transmitter power would have only been 960 kW.

Yup, covered that in my original post, but wanted to demonstrate that even at it's current operational capacity, it's still incapable of what they're theorising.

reply to post by lpm81


reply to post by lpm81


NO.

"chem"-trails don't exist.

They are made up, imagination and ignorance defined. The concept of them was started as a HOAX!!

(Much like the premise of this thread....)

reply to post by THEDUDE86


So, by reading all of this, the USA attacked and inadvertently nuked Japan again, only this time it was during peace time and unprovoked?

Why?

Khar

edit: I am not trying to say this sounds silly, in fact it sounds very interesting but what is the motive? We need some kind of a motive for this crime to be attributed to the USA. Any clues?

Yeah, so what if the governments are guilty of making earthquakes "deliberately", to fine tune their weapon and in the process 10'000s of innocent people die.. "experiment successful"..lol

What can you do about it, even if you prove it true?

There will come a time when the government just opens up and says to the public "hey we got this awsome cool weapon", "Now we own you all, fight us and we'll destroy your country", "Disobey us and we'll destroy your contry"...

Not much a court can do when the courthouse can be shook to the ground...lol

If the gubberment has the weapon, they've already won guys, cause everyone was so busy posting and boasting that they finished it while we were all debating and not acting..lol

I have to wonder if this is true, perhaps HAARP's intentions are actually benevolent. Maybe they think that by manually releasing tectonic pressures a little at a time rather than let it build up naturally, they might avert a huge devastating earthquake. But, as with any good intentioned projects, it never works the way it does in theory and bad things happen. That's what you get for messing with nature.

Again - If it's true.

reply to post by THEDUDE86


I didn't search on ATS, but I'm sure this already was discussed here. Anyway I'll recall the document available in the website of U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, reported by that woman, "Natalie" on George Norry's C2C, exposing the open use of HAARP as mass destruction weapon, by US military:

Originally posted by Kharron
reply to post by THEDUDE86

 

So, by reading all of this, the USA attacked and inadvertently nuked Japan again, only this time it was during peace time and unprovoked?

Why?

Khar

edit: I am not trying to say this sounds silly, in fact it sounds very interesting but what is the motive? We need some kind of a motive for this crime to be attributed to the USA. Any clues?

Well, it's not the USA, per se, but the ones who have usurped and use the USA to Their ends. And if the goal is to sicken us (to make a profit off us) and kill us, this is a good start. We now have radiation oozing all over the planet - and it will continue to do so for a very long time to come.

It is a global plot.

CL02, Psoras, Andrea

reply to post by 1AnunnakiBastard


Yeah.....ALL of that is the imagination of Andrea Psoras....based on her "discovery" of that USAF document.

The USAF report was pure speculation, to begin with. It shoud be obvious to anyone with critical thinking skills, when reviewing the paper.

Andrea Psoras either lacks the intelligence to understand, or intentionally wishes to perpetuate hoaxes, through innuendo....not sure, yet which is the case here. Might need to ASK her......

Originally posted by Ironclad
Yeah, so what if the governments are guilty of making earthquakes "deliberately", to fine tune their weapon and in the process 10'000s of innocent people die.. "experiment successful"..lol

What can you do about it, even if you prove it true?

There will come a time when the government just opens up and says to the public "hey we got this awsome cool weapon", "Now we own you all, fight us and we'll destroy your country", "Disobey us and we'll destroy your contry"...

Not much a court can do when the courthouse can be shook to the ground...lol

If the gubberment has the weapon, they've already won guys, cause everyone was so busy posting and boasting that they finished it while we were all debating and not acting..lol

That's pretty much what is foretold in the book of revelations and (Nostredamus) if it was explained in the launguage of the time! It's a brilliant weapon because you can't tell who got you, like when your at school and someone taps you on the shoulder from behind and you suspect someone, but can't PROVE it. Imagime that!!!