Do you think we will make the jump to a Type I civilization? Or destroy ourselves?

reply to post by Annee

Sorry, I just got finished Playing COD Zombies. But realistically with current conditions the way they are a one world government will only take place because of one of two reasons.

REASON 1: The multi-Dimensional Alien being that has control over all of time and space, that millions of People WOrship, will grace us with his presence... Destroy all unbelievers and People whom didn't follow the rule that he set for existence and will Unite all of his followers under a one world government with peace.

What! BULLOCKS YOU SAY... Well that pretty much sums up Christian Beliefs. GOD by definition is an Alien (can't be from somewhere you created) that is humanoid, that created our very existence. The process by which he did so isn't outlined step by step.... 'Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. (MATT 6:10) All of the worldly governments will be destroyed. And all that are faithful will be ruled BY our alien overlord and we should live in relative people because all that challenge him will be destroyed... Including what ever other rebel ANgel Tries to muck things up and ruin it for everybody.

Now that we got the religious argument out of the way

REASON 2: Another world war will have to take place. One powerful nation Will rise up and challenge america and its allies. Millions will die needlessly. Nations obliterated. Democracy ETC. Will be destroyed and the anti-american allies will have to fall and this new world power will take control over everything and maintain control... after gallons of blood is spilled from the aftermath a utopian society may be built... scientist will be grabbed that worked for the former allies and new technology etc. Will be developed that will benefit humanity as a whole not some corporate big wig... Capitalism is gone and everything is done by the people for the people. Instead of lining the pockets of rich families the wealth will be redistributed evenly. You don't work you don't eat. All of the survivors will have jobs. There will be some rogue nations and rebels however they are really powerless and will be eliminated over time as technology advanced and leaps and bounds are made simply because war took place and the Official that conquered the world took technological advances from all of the former nations of the world.

This Event would take decades to take place. Another man attempted this one world government Stick... :cough: Hitler... however he lost and as a result of germany loosing America gained many advances in technology through project paper clip... If hitler didn't go nutz in the end and cut the anti-semetic BS. AND promoted that the master superior race consisted of intelligent individuals or just his country men then maybe with their tech they would have won but they tried to fight on multiple front at the same time trying to put into place their version of government (not democracy)... imposing the will of his nation on other countries.

I am glad that he lost in the end because if Germany defeated the allies and conquered AMERICA I have a feeling I wouldn't exist but if somehow I was created through my great grand parents bloodline (I'm mix) I would be kept under wraps or in a special country or area for colored folks.... I mean america back then was pretty racist... White Americans Treated Blacks Like Nazi's treated Jews and yes A Lot of blacks were murdered under the guise that the americans in power were a master race... BUT HEY...

WAR= Technological Advances. For us to really advance as a society from a technological stand point because people will spend tons of money on Military weapons and tech as opposed to a public free energy source or a car that runs on water. IN order for there to be a one world government either one nation will have to covert everyone to democracy and form an League of Nations under one supreme emperor of democracy... Or another Powerful non-democratic Nation will step up to the plate and align with several other nations To impose its rule after a war that is sparked by the democracy spreaders.

I am Honestly thinking The ONE World Government Will Come to pass Between the US With other puppet democratic governments & CHINA Allied with Russia. Just Sayin'

In either scenario... Armageddon or World War 3 A lot of Our Species will have to die off before a True One World Government is Established and our civilization advances.

Humans will reach it someday. Not before they're ready

There will be much blood shed before that though.

I think it will be like the timeline of Star Trek

World War 3 happens - 3 billion people die.

its a really sobering experience and we fix our #.

after that spaceships happen really fast.

Originally posted by Viking9019
reply to post by spy66

 

The NWO are the problem.......they aren't solving any.

The NWO are satanic fools who have killed many,many people all for their benefit and you can bet your backside that the NWO will only be for them because they want complete control.

No, you don't understand. Our governments are not the problem, We are.

Just think about it, who does all the work. We or them?

Our governments don't do a damn thing, We are the once who do everything for them. We are the once who demand that our governments come up with all the solutions to solve all our problems.

We have given our governments complete authority to run our lives by dividing our common resources.

We can not blame the government for all that we do for them. We also have a moral obligation to the actions we do. We can not blame them when we always do as they say. That makes us just as bad as them.

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Good question.

I think we need to strike a balance of sorts. For example, we could go the one government route but a condition of that route would require the use of parts of the U.S constitution to guarantee freedom to ALL members of this one-world shindig. After all, the U.S is the only superpower left (unless you include China) and we use most of the world's resources.

In short... Some will and some wont.

Originally posted by Section69
I think it will be like the timeline of Star Trek

World War 3 happens - 3 billion people die.

its a really sobering experience and we fix our #.

after that spaceships happen really fast.

This is the problem; Because people don't really understand what the problem is. If we run our of fossil fuel because of our current consumption of it, there wont be any resources left to build space ships, or to use our current technology at all. Our technology demands man power, knowledge and fossil fuels.

After ww3, common people wont have the knowledge to take over our mechanized technology from the people who used to have it. Our science institutions will vanish because common people wouldn't know how to use it.

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Bleak considering your signature

reply to post by spy66


People cannot accept that a massive amount of the world's population must die for us to move forward.
We've reached a stagnant state, and without major change and bloodshed we are just constructing our own coffin around ourselves.

Originally posted by michaelknives52
reply to post by Annee

 

Sorry, I just got finished Playing COD Zombies. But realistically with current conditions the way they are a one world government will only take place because of one of two reasons.

That's funny. Best real excuse I've heard in a long time.

I don't want to go too far off the main subject - - but I do believe in MJ12 and that there is a major "off planet being" interaction and probably control.

I really hate it when someone brings up Hitler in these discussions. I just don't think it applies. It was a different time - - although he is definitely a fascinating madman. Who knows who/what was really behind that regime.

Today we have businessmen - - control by corporate fascism - - - not a mystical fascination with the Aryan Master Race.

IMO - - it is just not the same thing.

Originally posted by Section69
I think it will be like the timeline of Star Trek

World War 3 happens - 3 billion people die.

its a really sobering experience and we fix our #.

after that spaceships happen really fast.

Could be - - I think Gene Roddenberry was "plugged in" to something.

Star Trek had no Heart after he crossed over.

I think the more important point here is that if we don't make the shift to a Type 1 Civ, what makes us think it's happened to anyone else? Maybe this is the solution to the Fermi Paradox?

On the other hand, if we make the transition, we might expect others to have done so before us.

(assuming intelligent life typically develops a similar mind-set to humans: strongly materialistic and militaristic)

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

Good question.

I think we need to strike a balance of sorts. For example, we could go the one government route but a condition of that route would require the use of parts of the U.S constitution to guarantee freedom to ALL members of this one-world shindig. After all, the U.S is the only superpower left (unless you include China) and we use most of the world's resources.

Why the US constitution? Why not France's constitution? Why not Russia's constitution? Why not Great Britain's constitution? Why not China's constitution?

I just don't think its reasonable to say "Let's do it the US way".

Originally posted by spy66
After ww3, common people wont have the knowledge to take over our mechanized technology from the people who used to have it. Our science institutions will vanish because common people wouldn't know how to use it.

Don't you think TPTB are aware of this?

Don't you believe there are underground bunkers being prepared?

Do you believe ancient records have already been found in underground vaults - - - warning us of a previous destruction?

I believe we will not make the jump to a Type 1 Civilization without first going through drastic and possibly violent change. When I say violent I really mean cataclysmic. TPTB are so deeply rooted into our current system and way of doing things that it would be a very hard road convincing them otherwise, without use of force. A One World Government is the ONLY way to go. We as humans are steadily overpopulating this planet as evidenced by the famine, disease and wars. Our only chance for a future is to expand into space and begin populating other planets and moons. If not we will eventually reach a boiling point(which we are dangerously close to now).

I must say that if the human race can survive the storm on the horizon then yes we will make the jump and begin advancing as a people. But the storm coming may be unsurvivable, the human race has endured for longer than history wants to admit and I believe we will continue to do so, regardless of the odds.

Type 1 Civilization, type 2, type3, it all doesn't matter.

As much as we all hate to admit it for us to move on up the ladder, we must all come to the same conclusion, that material objects the owning of land the accumulation of money, the ideas of how different we all are, are all distraction to keep every one fighting. We must all shed all of this and come to the understanding that the physical form we have are all the same we are the same beings trying to get to the same place, that is to live in piece with all things on this world, no matter what we look like how we talk or how we think. In other words we need all to get over ourself.

This is what all the higher being have already achieved that's why they look down on us and wonder if we are going to move to the next stage in out live. If the entire world for one day through there egos aside this world would be a different world to live in. Do you think the upper being have and ego, no they don't that's why they find us so interesting.

They don't have feeling to deal with as we do. Until most of us learn this 2 things will happen.

1 every one that is ready to move on will all shift to a new earth that will take all of us that want to live in a world with people that have no attachment to things and no egos and the new world will take care of every thing.

2 The ones that want to continue this life will stay here and live the life that they always dreamed about, death, stuff and always wanting to be right.

So when the time comes the people that look like they died are just the ones that will stay on world #2 and the rest of us will move to the new world that will have all of the ET come and see us why, for we are the ones that learned and the others did not.

That is, vary simple that is what 2012 is all about a shift to higher understanding of who you are and what you want in this world, it will always come down to you for you have free will to choose what world you want to live on.

For no one person can control your actions only you can and your actions decide which world you live on!

The truth is always most difficult to see when it is just in front of your eyes, just look at the world around you.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66
After ww3, common people wont have the knowledge to take over our mechanized technology from the people who used to have it. Our science institutions will vanish because common people wouldn't know how to use it.

Don't you think TPTB are aware of this?

Don't you believe there are underground bunkers being prepared?

Do you believe ancient records have already been found in underground vaults - - - warning us of a previous destruction?

It doesn't matter if TPTB has built underground bunker. It wont matter if our best scientists survive. We are dependent on a lot more knowledge and crafts then just science. Science is useless without resources and energy.

Our present knowledge, science and technology will be deemed useless in the future. Because the energies it is dependent on to work will be depleted and gone for a very very long time.

If we can barely sustain our present era with the resources we have now. How will we manage when we no longer have the energy to harvest fossil fuels "new energy"?

When it comes to ancient records. Its too late, they don't matter any more, we have already gone to far to learn from earlier mistakes.

We are going back to the dark ages in the very near future, and there is nothing we can do about it that wouldn't affect billions of people.

Soon we won't have the technology to keep 7 billion people alive. Because our technology is dependent on fossil fuel. There wouldn't have been 7 billion people on earth without our easy access to cheap and easy energy like oil and coal.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66
After ww3, common people wont have the knowledge to take over our mechanized technology from the people who used to have it. Our science institutions will vanish because common people wouldn't know how to use it.

Don't you think TPTB are aware of this?

Don't you believe there are underground bunkers being prepared?

Do you believe ancient records have already been found in underground vaults - - - warning us of a previous destruction?

It doesn't matter if TPTB has built underground bunker. It wont matter if our best scientists survive. We are dependent on a lot more knowledge and crafts then just science. Science is useless without resources and energy.

Our present knowledge, science and technology will be deemed useless in the future. Because the energies it is dependent on to work will be depleted and gone for a very very long time.

I'm not that doom and gloom.

I wouldn't base knowledge of resources on what is known to us.

And I wouldn't limit scientists and others to lack of practical ingenuity.

I guess the first order of business is to ask the question if any "next kind" of civilization does exist, the foremost question being if there is enough resources to get to that stage and to stay on it. I'd like to think that a kind of "choice" has been given. Methane can also function as a fuel, and lo and behold, we only need to get to Titan (i.e. Saturn) to get that fuel. The problem is of course getting there, or getting "up" into our immediate surroundings.

But as spy66 mentions, I do believe that there is an urgent energy problem that must be overcome, and the second question is of course if it can be overcome. The solution to this ranges from everything between new economic systems to population decrease to new energy. I believe it is important for people to understand that no one will be going anywhere unless things get better for everyone on earth first. There is no point of trying to go into space until people have a living space, jobs, food, and so on.

Is there a possibility for a new dark age in the future? Sure. But maybe that is something we need?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66
After ww3, common people wont have the knowledge to take over our mechanized technology from the people who used to have it. Our science institutions will vanish because common people wouldn't know how to use it.

Don't you think TPTB are aware of this?

Don't you believe there are underground bunkers being prepared?

Do you believe ancient records have already been found in underground vaults - - - warning us of a previous destruction?

It doesn't matter if TPTB has built underground bunker. It wont matter if our best scientists survive. We are dependent on a lot more knowledge and crafts then just science. Science is useless without resources and energy.

Our present knowledge, science and technology will be deemed useless in the future. Because the energies it is dependent on to work will be depleted and gone for a very very long time.

I'm not that doom and gloom.

I wouldn't base knowledge of resources on what is known to us.

And I wouldn't limit scientists and others to lack of practical ingenuity.

It really dosent change anything if we choose not to be doom and gloom. You have to face the future non the less when it comes, despite what we like to believe right now.

Our scientist do a very fine job at the moment, but they are loosing the race against resources non the less.

Our scientists don't work for free, and they dont work very well without equipment that dont work. And we are not very good at building and maintaining things without machinery that don't run. At least not the structures we are dependent on.

It doesn't matter what knowledge we have written on paper, if this technology is not put into function decades before its really needed. Its called adaptation. Our society and its technology needs to be adapted to see if it has any effect. And we are not even close to this stage. I would like to see a electric powered tractor plow a field as efficient as a diesel fueled traktor does.

I wonder how we will replace millions of cares with electric powered cars, this is only made possible by fossil fuel. I wonder how we will replace diesel power ships with electric power engines. I wonder how we will build solar panels without the use of by products from oil. How are we going to build and maintain our roads and other structures?

The list goes on and on.