Do you think we will make the jump to a Type I civilization? Or destroy ourselves?

Originally posted by merka

But what is the alternative? Capitalist rule over all aspect of life? Our civilization as we know it would collapse and we would be owned by corporations. Hardly any better.

I do not support corporatism either. Libertarianism is the way to go imo. Personal freedom, personal responsibility. That is the way to go imo. One world dictatorship brings nothing to the table. Nothing that I want anyway.

A one world goverment IMO is needed. It must happen. Its the only way we can move forward on this blasted rock. One goverment. One language. A goal to further mankind instead of trying earn money off others or kill others.

Define "move forward". Define "further mankind".

As long as we keep having ideas such as "this is my country, you cant come here!", we will eventually destroy ourselves.

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One world government will not even work as a practical matter unless you reduce the living conditions of the western world to equal that of sub-Saharan Africa. Is that your desire?

Originally posted by wtf1is1happening
Humanity is approaching our critical sink-or-swim moment. I really really hope, and I think the ETs do too, that we swim.

ET's - - or my preferred "off planet beings" - - - are probably as diverse as humans in their politics - personal desires - etc.

I could not say where Earth/Humans fit into the politics of a Galactic Federation (I know - - Star Trek - - but I believe there is such a thing). Other then I don't think we will be allowed in our current state. Our planet needs to be under control first.

I do think there are Benevolent off planet beings who are concerned about Humans/Earth and trying to evolve humans in a more spiritual (not religious) evolution.

However - I'm sure there are also Malevolent off planet beings and renegades. I really don't think in the whole scope of all beings - - they are much different then humans.

Originally posted by Annee Other then I don't think we will be allowed in our current state. Our planet needs to be under control first.

This statement really worries me and is one of the reasons I oppose world government. What do you mean by "UNDER CONTROL"?

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I feel that you're being intentionally obtuse.
In its current state, Earth's population is belligerent to say the least. Humanity needs to take the steps towards 'burying the hatchet' and abolish the systems that keep us divided and at each others throats. That includes organized religion, political parties, national ties, etc. ONE human race. Libertarianism is a fantasy. A good fantasy, but it will never be realized. Certain elements of the population NEED to be controlled, or in the worse case, removed. Education and knowledge for ALL is the long term solution to so many of mankind's ills.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by Annee Other then I don't think we will be allowed in our current state. Our planet needs to be under control first.

This statement really worries me and is one of the reasons I oppose world government. What do you mean by "UNDER CONTROL"?

I just knew this would come up. I almost changed the word Control - - but it fits.

Again - - Drastic Measures will need to be taken to save both humanity and Earth.

I am basing my statements on Logic - - not personal Fear and Emotions.

Originally posted by wtf1is1happening
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I feel that you're being intentionally obtuse.
In its current state, Earth's population is belligerent to say the least. Humanity needs to take the steps towards 'burying the hatchet' and abolish the systems that keep us divided and at each others throats. That includes organized religion, political parties, national ties, etc. ONE human race. Libertarianism is a fantasy. A good fantasy, but it will never be realized. Certain elements of the population NEED to be controlled, or in the worse case, removed. Education and knowledge for ALL is the long term solution to so many of mankind's ills.

So, you support the NWO and their plan to enslave and kill much of the population. At least you admit your evil. The Nazi party would have welcomed you with open arms.

EDIT: Mods, before anybody gets their panties in a wad about me comparing him to the Nazis, please read his own post. Certain elements need to be controlled? Like the Jews, the Gypsies? the Africans? Who needs to be "removed"? Meaning Killed or at least "encouraged" to die out. Who decides on who lives or dies?

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by Annee Other then I don't think we will be allowed in our current state. Our planet needs to be under control first.

This statement really worries me and is one of the reasons I oppose world government. What do you mean by "UNDER CONTROL"?

I just knew this would come up. I almost changed the word Control - - but it fits.

Again - - Drastic Measures will need to be taken to save both humanity and Earth.

I am basing my statements on Logic - - not personal Fear and Emotions.

Here is another NWO supporter. Why can you and yours not just leave us all alone to live our lives in peace? I don't want or need to be controlled(read ENSLAVED) by you or your government.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
So, you support the NWO and their plan to enslave and kill much of the population. At least you admit your evil. The Nazi party would have welcomed you with open arms.

Are you kidding me? Did you really read the OP and my posts and THAT'S what you pulled out of it?

Tell me, what positive role does Sharia law have in the world? Or the drug cartels of Mexico?

Originally posted by wtf1is1happening

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
So, you support the NWO and their plan to enslave and kill much of the population. At least you admit your evil. The Nazi party would have welcomed you with open arms.

Are you kidding me? Did you really read the OP and my posts and THAT'S what you pulled out of it?

Tell me, what positive role does Sharia law have in the world? Or the drug cartels of Mexico?

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That was not a response to the original post. Please read more closely. Thanks. That was a response to the quoted post. Can you answer the questions asked?

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Libertarianism is the way to go imo. Personal freedom, personal responsibility. That is the way to go imo. One world dictatorship brings nothing to the table. Nothing that I want anyway.

Libertarianism - IMO - is archaic and like walking backwards. It solves nothing.

Its the same thing as "let everyone do whatever the hell they want". In our current state of excess - that is the worst thing we could do.

Sorry - - but I prefer progression - - - not regression to the animalistic state of "Survival of the Fittest". For one reason - - the planet is heading toward a point it won't support any life - - - if something drastic isn't done.

What do i thik?

After reading "Limits to Growth" by the club of Rome 1972.

I think i can predict a few future prospects:

The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones. The oil age won’t end because we ran out of fossil fuel.

Lots of people have different opinions about what our future is going to be like. I am also one of them.

A lot of people agree that our future is looking great from our present perspective. Human life expectancy is great. Communication is great. Technology is great. Science is doing great. Life is easy and very comfortable especially for the upper middle class and the rich.


The majority of our modern generation thinks that our next stage in human development is physical human exploration of the vast universe, and possible colonization of other planets. Some also hope that we will advance exponentially so that they themselves will be able to take part in the new Era.



We humans have very high expectations and hopes for what lies ahead of us. That is not a bad thing by all means. But are the goals and expectation we have set for ourselves very realistic?

Does humanity really have the knowledge, resources and the technology to accomplish the goals they have set out to conquer?

Have science, technology and our financial institutions put a spell on humanity?







Humanity will NEVER be doing this “exploring” the vast universe and planets with space ships like this. That ship sailed a long time ago. We were to slow to acquire the right scientific knowledge needed to accomplish this ability.

Many of you might disagree with me right now. Because many of you will say that we are on the doorstep technologically to do this right now. But this is not the only doorstep we are very close too, we are also very close to being out natural finite resources. Our present knowledge and technology is losing the race against resources.

I am going to present a image of what i think is going to happen to us in the very near future.



The sole reason that there are close to 7 billion people on earth to day is because of fossil fuel. When it declines so will the the human race.

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You're ridiculous, I'm not going to justify your rationale with any more responses.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Here is another NWO supporter. Why can you and yours not just leave us all alone to live our lives in peace? I don't want or need to be controlled(read ENSLAVED) by you or your government.

Did you miss the parts were we specifically stated One World Government - - - not the conspiratorial NWO?

IMO - you have a very idealistic view.

Leave you alone to do what exactly?

Originally posted by wtf1is1happening
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You're ridiculous, I'm not going to justify your rationale with any more responses.

So you have no response or "answer" for your call for a pogrom? Let me remind you of what you said.

Certain elements of the population NEED to be controlled, or in the worse case, removed.

I ask again, what elements? Who decides? How will you remove the undesirables?

Originally posted by Annee
Did you miss the parts were we specifically stated One World Government - - - not the conspiratorial NWO?

I don't believe that a non-despotic one world government can exist.

IMO - you have a very idealistic view.

What is wrong with the desire for personal liberty?

Leave you alone to do what exactly?

Leave me and those like me alone to live our lives free from governmental interference in our lives.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Leave me and those like me alone to live our lives free from governmental interference in our lives.

We are talking about a world that is so infested with parasites (humans) - - like locusts devouring everything in their path - - it can not survive without drastic intervention.

OR - - like a Cancer that eats and destroys cells.

So - - what you are telling me is - - - you are a Cancer Cell - - and I am supposed to give you free agency to do whatever you want.

Because you don't like being controlled.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
Leave me and those like me alone to live our lives free from

We are talking about a world that is so infested with parasites (humans) - - like locusts devouring everything in their path - - it can not survive without drastic intervention.

OR - - like a Cancer that eats and destroys cells.

So - - what you are telling me is - - - you are a Cancer Cell - - and I am supposed to give you free agency to do whatever you want.

Because you don't like being controlled.

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If you believe humans are a cancer that needs to be killed, then set a good example and start with yourself. Or are you a hypocrite? Are all humans a cancer except you?

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I agree with the Stone Age theory. I know of that one too.

We can take drastic measures now to control our world - - - or destroy it - - - and the few who survive will once again be in a Stone Age period.

Originally posted by Annee
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I agree with the Stone Age theory. I know of that one too.

We can take drastic measures now to control our world - - - or destroy it - - - and the few who survive will once again be in a Stone Age period.

So, you say we have 2 choices. Live free in the "stone age" or be NWO slaves? I choose freedom.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
If you believe humans are a cancer that needs to be killed, then set a good example and start with yourself. Or are you a hypocrite? Are all humans a cancer except you?

You can not even look at this logically. Its all about you - - your emotions and fears.

How dare anyone expect you to be part of a plan to save the world.

How dare they! Those evil controllers.