Do you think we will make the jump to a Type I civilization? Or destroy ourselves?

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by Annee

 

Its going to have to be done for them. That's just the reality of it. Like it or not.

Who are you to decide that?

Oh - - the power you give me.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by Annee

 

Its going to have to be done for them. That's just the reality of it. Like it or not.

Who are you to decide that?

Oh - - the power you give me.

Then you have none.

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
reply to post by Annee

 

Its going to have to be done for them. That's just the reality of it. Like it or not.

Who are you to decide that?

Oh - - the power you give me.

Then you have none.

Of course I don't.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66
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You should think about what you eat, what you live in and what you use as transportation. Everything you use in your daily life supports everything you hate. As long as you spend money, you support the corporate state.

Not enough people will do this to have any effect.

I'd say most people are oblivious to what's going on.

Its going to have to be done for them. That's just the reality of it. Like it or not.

I agree. Millions of lives are dependent on the functions of our capitalistic system and the resources it provides for us.

If transportations breakdown or there is a union strike. All hell breaks loose.

If something is broke we call the guy. The capitalistic system is built such that we are not allowed to fix thing on our own anymore, because of insurance policies. We have services today who are certified to fix all our problems.

If or when our systems breaks down do to lack of resources. Our comfortable way of life will turn into a night mare. Because people are not used to the idea of providing for them selves without a shopping mall.

The first thing to disappear before the SHTF is all the food and necessities in the stores. Just imagine what will take place after the food people have stalked up on is consumed.

Originally posted by spy66

If or when our systems breaks down do to lack of resources. Our comfortable way of life will turn into a night mare. Because people are not used to the idea of providing for them selves without a shopping mall.

Yes - - I especially hate that cars are all computerized now. A real mechanic is as rare as a blue moon - - probably rarer.

I try to buy things that are as simplistic as possible. I have a crank radio, and various propane/butane camping gear, and other assorted "hand" items. We even have an old pickup we do all our own repairs on. I like to be a woman - - but I can also load a shotgun shell - - and hang with the boys.

Heck, we used to be a Type I civilization, tens of thousands of years ago. And we can do it again! Go, humans, go!

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66

If or when our systems breaks down do to lack of resources. Our comfortable way of life will turn into a night mare. Because people are not used to the idea of providing for them selves without a shopping mall.

Yes - - I especially hate that cars are all computerized now. A real mechanic is as rare as a blue moon - - probably rarer.

I try to buy things that are as simplistic as possible. I have a crank radio, and various propane/butane camping gear, and other assorted "hand" items. We even have an old pickup we do all our own repairs on. I like to be a woman - - but I can also load a shotgun shell - - and hang with the boys.

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Have you thought about your age?

And have you made any thought about when something like this could take place, and how long the decline could take?

If things happen gradually over a 15 year time span. There might not even be fuel to run your old pickup, or gas to run you camping gear. There might not even be wood to build a camping fire. Because we will have hundreds of millions of people burning wood because we have stopped harvesting coal, oil and gas. Do to economic collapse.

Our biggest problem in the future will be our nations enormous population. In the US there are 309 million people. They all would want to survive. That is going to cause a big problem for everyone trying to survive in the US.

Originally posted by spy66
Have you thought about your age?

And have you made any thought about when something like this could take place, and how long the decline could take?

I'm ancient - - not really concerned about my future.

As far as when it will happen. Well in a way it is happening in Japan right now.

Stuff can happen in an instant - - or gradual. And major disasters could expedite the need for a One World Government.

I think what's really happening in the Middle East - - is removal of powers that "don't play well with others".

I personally think there is some kind of timeline or deadline - - for certain things to be accomplished. Of course - - I can only speculate on what some of those things might be.

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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by spy66
Have you thought about your age?

And have you made any thought about when something like this could take place, and how long the decline could take?

Stuff can happen in an instant - - or gradual. And major disasters could expedite the need for a One World Government.

I think people take the new world order a bit negatively, because they don't really understand what problems our politicians are trying to solve.

Our politicians are waking up to what the club of Rome wrote in 1972. Concerning Limits To growth.

People have no clue as to what the club of Rome wrote, or what Limits to growth actually mean for every one of us.

Limits To Growth warns us of what will come if we like it or not.

People don't see the problems we face with our increased demands for exponential growth on all levels. We act and live as if there are no limits to resources or space.

We think that better health programs and technology will save millions of lives. But in reality we are accumulating a big problem by saving lives. Because more lives means more consumption of resources. I know this sounds horrible but we have to face the facts. We can not go on and think that we can keep this up with out expecting to face serious consequences in the future. Billions of people will die, the question is how.

reply to post by wtf1is1happening

This is why i believe ETs are indeed lurking about out of sight and monitoring us closely, because we are teetering on the edge of total destruction or an incredible jump. Whether that jump will be forwards or backwards into the 1984 nightmare I cannot predict. I truly don't think it will be the latter, because despite what the grip of fear has done to many it's simply impossible to control a global population that overtly and intrusively, regardless of the technology at your disposal.

You can either take the intelligent, but undoubtedly more difficult and costly path of pulling people UP: gathering their support en masse while securing your control as you head into a sustainable and bright future. Or you can take the foolish, greedy, and short term plan of further roping them DOWN: facing constant, needling resistance no matter how perfect your propaganda or methods of population control, and faceting your own noose from the same rope.

Now this is a great thread indeed. You couldn't be more on target. Although I suspect they "noticed" us a long time ago, The abduction claims match up to a "Type 3 Galactic civlization" building a "backup plan" in case we $#@% up the transition to Type 1. In other words, their actions show us that we are getting close to "something."

There is way too much evidence for a Type 3 civilization. The fact that ufology can't put some more weighty scientists behind it's movement is probably just a matter of our uptight culture. One of my favorite books to read is "Beyond UFOs" by Jeff Bennett. He has very strong scientific credentials. He has seen a "UFO." It was quite distant and quick so there was still an outside chance it was a meteor or something. He still claims he's "undecided" and waits for "real proof." Anyways, as he points out in his book- there are only 3 possible solutions to Fermi's Paradox:

1) We are alone.

The we are alone implies that throughout the universe, we are the first to ever attain some kind of self-awareness. We are the first to venture into space and build radio telescopes. Now let's look at the numbers... all the stars in the universe would be equivalent to the total numbers of grains of sand on all Earth's beaches put together. Does it honestly seem reasonable to assume (given those numbers) that we are the only game in town?

2) Civilizations are common but so far no one has conquered the "vastness of space problem."

This is a scary thought because it would imply we are doomed to be wiped out by a natural disaster or by ourselves (i.e. nuclear war). Unfortunately, given the current tensions in the world, it becomes depressingly easy to believe this could happen. However, we hope this is not always true.

3) There is a galactic civlization, but we have so far been unable to discover its existence.

Now........ behold why the answer to Fermi's Paradox will be the most profound transformation since the club.

The first solution makes zero sense if you view it from an unbiased scientific perspective. The second, while plausible, is not what we want to believe in now is it. This leaves us the 3rd option and is supported by a ton of evidence. And as Jeff Bennett points out, it can only mean one thing: If we successfully navigate the adolescence of our civlization, there's a universe full of grownups awaiting our arrival.

Originally posted by spy66

We are in agreement.

I use the term One World Government on purpose to separate it from the NWO conspiracy concept.

Not that I don't think the power/moneys of the world aren't a part of it - - even if they didn't acquire it in humanistic ways - - - they Hung On To It. Plenty of people make money. Hanging on to it and building an empire is really quite an accomplishment. Those are the ones I would trust to make things happen. I realize I may be one of the expendable ones - - but the point is "save the planet and humanity".

As far as Health programs - - - there was something a while back that Obama (Obama basing ya know) cut government life support for the elderly (or something like that). I totally support that. If you are elderly and have a treatable illness - that's one thing - - - - but extended life support????? No Way!

Originally posted by Scramjet76
If we successfully navigate the adolescence of our civilization, there's a universe full of grownups awaiting our arrival.

I like that.

And I have seen a UFO. It was in 1964 before the internet (as we know it today). 4:30 in the afternoon - - clear blue skies. I thought at first it was one of those advertising spotlights. But - it was self illuminating in a "white/yellow" glow - - then it shot straight up until I couldn't see it anymore. Later - reading on the internet - - - I discovered the self illuminating "white/yellow" glow was prominent in many other sightings.

I think we will get to type 1 but we have got to get rid of our current governments because they hold us back and keep technology from us that could benefit us all and our planet.

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The NWO are the problem.......they aren't solving any.

The NWO are satanic fools who have killed many,many people all for their benefit and you can bet your backside that the NWO will only be for them because they want complete control.

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Thanks. Too bad Jeffrey Bennett isn't Obama's chief media rep. This is what the people really need to hear to motivate their butts before we kill ourselves over religion, mistrust, greed, and limited resources.

That is an interesting sighting. I have never seen a UFO but there is a family UFO story from my aunt as well as a couple friends of family that have seen something.

something tells me you need to fail entirely a couple times before you acheive that type of greatness

I believe that we will split into to species like in an HG Well novel. One really smart and one worker. IF we dont blow ourselves up which is a very big possibility once the Islamic religion gets a real international hold.

reply to post by wtf1is1happening


IF BY ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT YOU MEAN THE RICH SURVIVORS OF THE ZOMBIE NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST THAT WILL LAUNCH INTO SPACE ON THEIR SPACESHIP THAT WAS BUILT IN AN UNDERGROUND FACILITY then YES they would technically be classified as a class one civilization seeing that there are only a hand full of survivors around the world whom will unite against the zombie hoards

Originally posted by michaelknives52
reply to post by wtf1is1happening

 

IF BY ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT YOU MEAN THE RICH SURVIVORS OF THE ZOMBIE NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST THAT WILL LAUNCH INTO SPACE ON THEIR SPACESHIP THAT WAS BUILT IN AN UNDERGROUND FACILITY then YES they would technically be classified as a class one civilization seeing that there are only a hand full of survivors around the world whom will unite against the zombie hoards

Its really nice when posters actually attempt to discuss a controversial subject with intelligence and logic.

"Zombie Nuclear Holocaust Survivors" - - - in ALL CAPS. Really?

Originally posted by wtf1is1happening

If we were to become type I - what would be next? The problem with this way of thinking to me is that it suggests there is no more room for improvement - if there is no more room from improvement then that is perfection.

No I do not think we will ever be perfect - or even close to it.