Israel ready to react with 'great force': Netanyahu

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Am I going to find this in all of your links?

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Any historical fact can be disputed.

Go tell a palestinian - a knowledgeable palestinian, black september didnt occur. That the Hashemite king didnt massacre thousands of them while living in EASTERN PALESTINE (which is what Jordan was called between 1918 and 1922, before it was renamed transjordan, and then Jordan in '47).

Youre too much of an ignoramus to even understand why this war even occurred in the first place; hence your weak "i hope not all your articles are like this" retort. You dont know the history, or the history of Israel/Palestine in general. You just parrot popular cliches "Israel is behind their own terrorist attacks", the way America was involved in theirs.

And even as for 9/11. American wasnt "behind" it. They were AWARE of it, and definitely took advantage of it, and most probably facilitated it. But did they create Al Qaeda? No. Again, they have helped equip it. But that is not what motivated 9/11. In the ultimate sense, America needed this attack to do what they wanted to do in the mideast, but nonentheless, there are 2 sides to the story. Al Qaeda and Islam (with 1.2 Billion muslims) have their completely own agenda.

For instance, Islam separates the world into three categories: Dar Al Islam, Dar Al Harb, Dar Al Amn. Israel, is in the smack middle of Dar Al Islam - the house of Islam, where Islam rules.

Muslims believe were in the end times. They believe the whole world is destined to be converted to Islam; either through conversion or through the sword. The role of the 12th Imam Mahdi is considered to be one of a warrior/prophet.

What the radical Muslims do, is not motivated by America. They dont just sit around waiting to do the will of the westerners. They WORK with them, probably because in a corrupt world, you have to play along to get along. But ultimately its all politics. From both sides. The westerners with their liberal/democratic agenda, and the East with their Fundamentalist Islam/Sharia Law.

9/11 was a war on the evil West. Which, i can admit is evil and worthy of contempt.

Dont be so stupid to think that Israel is behind their own attacks, as if the Fatah Media in the Gaza strip doesnt encourages radical Islam, suicide bombings and hatred of Jews.

These attacks happen because the conditions in palestinian make them possible.

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As posted earlier.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Sorry, but all evidence points to Israel being behind 911.

Great article on the subject. www.takeourworldback.com...

Not trying to change this to a 911 thread but there is no reason to believe a word Israel says. They've been caught red handed creating terror attacks to justify what they do. I'm sure you've seen them posted on ATS many times. Mossad are a sly bunch, Just how many times haven't they been caught?

People say "oh but these attacks this time were real this time"

yeah according to who?

come on.

I take it you're jewish from most of your posts and you need to protect the "homeland" so I understand what you're doing.

maybe they should look into where the rockets are coming from, not where the ones currently used are being stored

Originally posted by mayabong
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As posted earlier.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Sorry, but all evidence points to Israel being behind 911.

Great article on the subject. www.takeourworldback.com...

You mean the "dancing israelis"? I will tell you straight up....its baloney!

Not trying to change this to a 911 thread but there is no reason to believe a word Israel says. They've been caught red handed creating terror attacks to justify what they do. I'm sure you've seen them posted on ATS many times. Mossad are a sly bunch, Just how many times haven't they been caught?

I think you are giving them too much credit. The cia is ten thousand times "better" ......sorry I meant eviler!

People say "oh but these attacks this time were real this time"

yeah according to who?

come on.

I take it you're jewish from most of your posts and you need to protect the "homeland" so I understand what you're doing.

edit on 25-3-2011 by mayabong because: (no reason given)

Israel has nothing to gain by creating false terror, only the military industrial complex benefits because they get to sell more arms. They simply allow the attacks so they can then terrorise the gazans to submission. Its tit for tat all the way.

Solutions exist but you cant make money that way. Only for pride!

Originally posted by loveguy
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Am I going to find this in all of your links?

Maybe because wikipedia cannot be rellied upon for FACTUAL INFORMATION! Which is worse, mainstream media or wikipedia? I would say they are equal. Just look at ATS which is supposedly an alernative site to see how much bs you can find and THEN multiply that by 100 to get your actual BS meter functioning properly again......

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Thanks for your participation.

Please go back a page and see the post where I offer a reply to Yissachar1.

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I agree 100% with your analysis. The cia, according to george tenet who later resigned(forcefully?), knew an attack was imminent, perhaps not the exact day(although I would say they DID know), and simply let it happen so they would have an excuse to attack afghanistan for opium and later iraq for oil.

I am not sure about the arab uprisings yet. Could be al-queda and cia planned OR could be genuine civilian anger over 30-40 years of despotism. I DID have that eery feeling you just described due to the unusually high syncronisity factor. Revolt in almost all arab countries at once, well............hmmmm!!!

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Not sure if you were being sarcastic about the "dancing israelis" but that article goes much deeper than that.

As far as Israel doing false flags. They have been CAUGHT doing them in the past. (do i really need to go through the pains of posting the same ole things that have been posted time and time again on ATS?). I'm tired and my kid is cranky.

Are you saying they've stopped?

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I wish I knew the answer to "if they stopped?" I would assume Israel and USA work together on certain missions since they are bed buddies, but to assume Israel was behind 9-11 is a big stretch. I could just as easy say the USA was behind it.

Letting something happen and actively being involved in the execution phase are not the same thing........

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Im not Jewish, and you dont need to be Jewish to support Israel.

As for "mossad being behind everything".

Seriously man. Wake up! There are much bigger and more experienced intelligence agencies than Mossad. Like, MI6, CIA, KGB for instance. And than you have NSA, and the other intelligence services.

You talk as if Israel is the only one who does things like manipulate the internet through disinformation agents. All agencies undoubtedly do it. Infact, this notion that "Israel was behind 9/11", EVEN though, many of the profiteers of the War in Iraq and Afghanistan have been Christian/Atheist american and european businessmen. Israel is just an oft-used scapegoat that any person with a brain can understand is invoked to deflect criticism from the real situation.

These accusations are chimerical. Just as the middle ages claim that "Jews poison wells" "kill christian chldren and perform rituals with their blood and heart", or "started the plague" are lies based on zero proof, that is, they are inventions used to oppress the Jews, so too is the notion that Israel was behind 9/11, even though it didnt profit them in anyway. America is controlled by a majority Christian/Atheist/agnostic establishment. The Jews present within this structure is actually significantly smaller, about 1/20th... and yet they recieve the majority of teh flack.

And of course, to those with a latent anti-semitic disposition, it goes without saying, or proof, or reasonable justification, that the Jews are an evil bunch. Their Judaism must be evil (without having studied or knowing anything about it, and going about this study in a neutral and balanced manner) if people since ancient times have hated them. The first recorded case of Anti-Semitism in ancient scripture, aside from that which is noted in The bible (Torah, Book of Esther, Daniel etc) comes from a papry found in Elephantine (An island mini province in the nile) where the Jews were excoriated by the Egyptian priests from the near by Temple of Khnum (which was represented by a Ram, the animal sacrificed by the Jews on Passover) for their religion/tradition. Later on this anathema is found in Hecateus, Manethos, and Apion of Alexandria. These all, like modern anti-semites, MADE UP, that is propagandized some lie about the Jews to rally the people against them.

ultimately, to appreciate the kernal of anti-semitism and why it rears its ugly head in every generation, you need to understand what it is based on. TRULY based on. Looking at it from today will only give you a bleak and myopic perspective.

The Egyptians hated them because they rejected their idolatry. The Greeks hated them because they rejected their sophism/secularism which amounted to a deification of self, and therefore, a just as virulent strain of idolatry. The Romans likewise hated the Jews, yet respected them, for the same reasons. Read Cicero, or Tacitus (the absolute worse, Hitleresque antisemite in Roman literature) or Juvenal, Martial, Petronius, etc, PRE-Christian, that is, pagan antisemites.

The Christians hated the Jews ostensibly for "not accepting christ", but in truth it was for the same principles that the Egyptians, Persians, Greeks and Romans did. They rejected the Pagan order. The pagan ethos, and essentially "universal belief" which looked at lifes question in a profoundly different manner than the Jews did.

Tacitus admits that th He feared the Jews. He FEARED them. The Roman aristocracy feared the Jews because Judaism was appearling to the Roman masses. Judaism offerred a much more humane, and modest approach to lifes questions. This than challanged the religion/philosophy of the Greco-Roman world. but more importantly, challenged their power. Instead of sacrificing to the gods, and engaging in mass orgies, the Roman proselytes to Judaism were ecstatic to learn about the one G-d , the eternal G-d of Israel (being a very profound metaphysical idea initself) and began in great numbers to convert to Judaism. This is a major issue spoken of by ancient writers. Big enough for Claudius to outlaw conversion to Judaism, and thus circumcisian of non-Jews.

Thus, Christianity in this context, although a beautiful religion in that it sought to spread the basic values of Judaism under the guise of another tradition, was eventually usurped by the Roman Order (constantine the great) and remolded in the Nicene council to to purvey the religion of Rome into the New age.

Christianity is a blend of Pagan and Jewish thought. Whats happening today to Christianity, excluding Catholicism, and evangelicalism, is the reversion to Christianities pagan core. Theres a reason Christianity didnt depart from the pagan tongue of the ancient Romans (latin) or Greeks.

Islam thought it important enough that a new language accompany a new religion, that is, spiritual system. Thus, the medium, the language in which one engages this alltogether new reality was initself a brand new language.

Christianity did no such thing, and needed no such innovation. They quietely built support. In Armenia and Asia Minor. Most of the non converts essentially assimilating their own pagan beliefs with the Christian religion (being as they thought, of the same spirit as their own traditions, with Jewish ideas interwoven).

Anyways. This long preamble was just to give you an idea of how ancient anti-semitism is. And it has been motivated by the same factor, even in these modern times. Clearly, Hitler was as offended by Judaism for the same reasons that Tacitus was: Its veneration of conscience, and humility as the greatest virtues.

Something this pacifist,and just, cannot be regarded as evil. Whats evil are the machinations against the Jews by these gnostics/pagans who control the Western World and the "useful idiots" who champion their lies with vehemence without caring to look deeper to understand the bigger picture.

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I applaud you and thank you for taking the time to write such an in depth reply. But if it was truly these gnostic pagan anti-semites in the west. Why does israel get huge funding (and asking for more recently) to do what they do without any question? Why is every vote to chastise Israel for being naughty, vetoed by America in the UN?. I think everyone knows who runs the west,

As far as 911, I think Israel benifitted greatly. I've heard that there was a plan for a new Oil pipeline from Kirkuk to Haifa and that Jews were buying the land in Iraq. I'm not sure if thats true but I've read it in many articles.

You seem very knowledgable in jewish culture for not being jewish. So is the whole nile to the euphrates thing real or just a lie? If real, how is this to be accomplished without false flags, or just pissing the other people off so they attack first?

Thanks for your replies, I really do like your posts especially about the Kaballah.

EDit: I know I misspelled lots of things in this post, but I'm so tired and need to sleep.

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So, because Israel has engaged in false flags (the altalena should not be classified as a false flag, since they blew up a ship transporting weapons for Israels self defense. This importation violated the american arms embargo that Harry Truman had put on the middle east. 17 members of the Irgun - underground Jewish militia, were killed) that than means that Israel is behind all false flags?

This form of logic seems to be popular with anti-semites. Because some Jews are corrupt, most Jews are corrupt.

Was America not behind the gulf of Tonkin incident? Isnt that a much more insidious false flas than Israel has ever done?

If Israelies jumping up and down is proof of their complicity, than i guess every Arab in the Gaza strip/west bank and the Muslim world proper was involved aswell. They clearly wanted this event to happen. Or are you stupid enough to think Western culture, and its moral relativism, jives with Islams Sharia Law ansd staunch conservatism.

If you understand political diagrams. The west is on the far far left on the political spectrum, while Islam is on the far far right.

They are NOT willing to sacrifice their beliefs, and dont think be so stupid to think they are. Any person who understands human nature cannot believe that the antinomian christian tradition is in anyway comparable to Islam. Islam, has a different course than Christianity. It is not Christianity. And its people would rise up against the western liberal agenda (as they are doing in the Arab world now; against largely secular rulers. In Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Syria, Yemen - these are not the type of religious governments that Muslims want. It is ironic that these uprisings are being classified as 'democratic', when in fact they will lean much more to a Islamic republicanism, ala Iran, than anything else) if the west tried to stuff its worldviews down their throats.

I sympathize with the Muslim worlds rejection of western values. But i do not sympathize with their militantism and overall, sneaky ways.

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You throw around the anti-semite word way to much in my opinion. I'm sure you know what a semite is.

I'm not saying Israel is the only country that does false flags. I'm just saying that whenever a government claims a "terror" attack. The first people to look at is the government itself. Especially the western governments like Israel, UK, and USA.

I found the "massacre" of that family on occupied land to be very suspicous. After it happened, they decided to approve more "settlements". Great!

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I wonder if those that support the palestinians ever bother to look at an atlas and then an encyclopedia to discover that 90% to 95% of the middle east plus northern africa and western asia ARE all muslim controlled.

Muslims/Arabs have the entire region to themselves but will not allow the oldest known religious group of people a spot of land where their ancestors always lived. Its like being kicked out of your home and never allowed to return.

Of course this happened to all the natives of south and north america when the colonial europeans arrived. The jews caught a lucky break by way of the british mandates, but I have a feeling it was a conspiratorial pretext for WW3 rather than genuine kindness.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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I wonder if those that support the palestinians ever bother to look at an atlas and then an encyclopedia to discover that 90% to 95% of the middle east plus northern africa and western asia ARE all muslim controlled.

Muslims/Arabs have the entire region to themselves but will not allow the oldest known religious group of people a spot of land where their ancestors always lived. Its like being kicked out of your home and never allowed to return.

Of course this happened to all the natives of south and north america when the colonial europeans arrived. The jews caught a lucky break by way of the british mandates, but I have a feeling it was a conspiratorial pretext for WW3 rather than genuine kindness.

Are all the palestnians muslims?

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That last statement of yours is intuitive.

I pretty much agree with that.

The British RESURRECTED the ancient Roman title for Judea: Palestine Syria. Palestine, after the biblical enemy of the Jews, the Philistines.

Its really hard to estimate how much is really planned, and simply acted out, or what is extemporaneous.

I really do lean to the British/Germans and essentially the European Establishment knowing EXACTLY what they are doing. They are much too thoughtful to not look down the road generationsb beyong the present one. There is a definite presence in Machiavelli, Bacon, Goethe, Nietsche, and many others, of a human destiny that is being marked out by a greater authority: a philosopher class, who perhaps chart things hundreds or thousands of years, and this may be accompanied by a mysticism/astrology that assists them in their methodology.

We live in a super secret world.

Much of what we see on the internet is disinformation, or a bit of truth mixed with carefully placed lies: lies that in someway assist their control and manipulation of those who subscribe to it. .

So, the typical conspiracy guys, Icke, Alex Jones, Mike Rivero, Rense, etc i simply do not trust them. Not anymore than i would the mainstream news. My knowledge contradicts many of their beliefs, which i see as facilitating in some way the greater agenda. Just as glenn Beck would beg for me to believe him, so does Alex Jones.

Another issue is their stupefecation of mysticism, and philosophy. If people were introduced to the real force behind the 'illuminati' it would lead to Paganism; to Greco-Romans. To the Roman Church, to early gnosticism, Catharism, Midieval Alchemy, Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry, and ultimately to the Romanticism of the 18th century.

Its not hard to see how Christianities antinomianism, and social dualism (render unto caeser that which is caeser: as if the state shouldnt uphold universal moral law) led to the intellectual revolt that began in the 16th century, and eventually led us to where we are.

Those elites are a very sophisticated bunch.

No wonder they consider themselves 'gods'.

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No, but most are. The christian palestinians don't make a big fuss with the jews. They accept that Israel is primarily for jews and get on with their daily lives. Muslims want "all the jews in the sea" or at the very least "a palestinian nation" WITHIN the confines of modern day Israel.

I think jews have a right to be pissed at palestinians but palestinians don't have a right to be pissed at jews. If they don't like Israel they could always leave and go elsewhere. Why is jordan, syria, egypt, saudi arabia, iraq, iran, turkey unwelcoming to them? Maybe cause they use them for political fodder and as a distraction from their domestic issues.

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Demographics of the Palestinians territories.

Religions

Muslim 98.7% (predominantly Sunni), Christian 0.7%

I really dont think Christians are a real factor in Palestinian politics. Usually, due to severe social pressure, the Christian palestinians unite with the muslims in their Jew hatred.

en.wikipedia.org...

It's a false flag attack that Israelis have been using all along.

Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group. The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world... the root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep solidarity...
--- Albert Einstein, quoted in Collier's Magazine, November 26, 1938

AND

Jews are not, and cannot be a normal people. The eternal uniqueness of the Jews is the result of the Covenant made between God and the Jewish people at Mount Sinai…. The implication is that the transcendent imperatives for Jews effectively nullify moral laws that bind the behavior of normal nations. Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, one of Gush Emunim’s most prolific ideologues, argues that the divine commandments to the Jewish people “transcend the human notions of national rights.” He explains that while God requires other nations to abide by abstract codes of justice and righteousness, such laws do not apply to Jews. Gush Emunim, (Right Wing Jewish group)

BUT

1980 Jewish Almanac:
“Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”
(1980 Jewish Almanac, p. 3)