Alchemy and The Philosopher's Stone is Real

Fool here.

Let me start by saying that I quite literally was drawn into the subject of Alchemy through a string of synchronous events just earlier this year. So my knowledge is quite limited. If you want to call the last seven months of my life delving pretty deep into the subject limited, I know you will. I come here with no authority just an humble desire to learn. I went straight to Herme's Thrice and Hermeticism. Seemed 'logical' on the left side, seemed 'right' on the right side, I'm definitely right side dominate.

Sign00, I read the book and would like to thank you for it and appreciate you writing in a understandable fashion. Something that is very hard to come by in this realm, maybe for good reason too. None the less, it is a hard thing to do by yourself with only the cryptic books. Now if we can get more to follow suit, that would be fantastic.

There are two sides to every 'stone', so to speak. The 'practical' and the 'spiritual'. In this subject, I believe they go hand in hand.

With my limited knowledge, it is my understanding that the Prima Materia is present in everything, just more concentrated in some more than others. In spagyrics, less concentrated so the effects not as long lasting. In mineral more concentrate, last longer? Seems the urine would have a bit of both.

I have read Manly P. Halls take on the morning dew, as BFFT talked about also the Mutus Liber. I have read it in spagyric books by Mark Stavish, collecting it in spring, April and May after a lightning storm being the best and charged. But also that the distilled collected water, 'dew' is used for a transfer and storage medium in 'practical' alchemy.

Myself, I take to the spiritual. I believe that both are credible but you cannot be successful in the practical unless you have, collected some of the fire that nourishes but does not consume, the water that does not wet the hands.

Air, the balance, the philosophers Mercury=intelligence, which as AIRub states, most definitely comes from the sky.

Seems that the most successful adepts collected plenty of it.

But then again, what do I know.

I'm watching this thread and am curious to see where it goes. Teach us fools something.

Curious, what is you guy's take on The Voynich Manuscript?

I would be ok with undertaking an objective study, but it must be organized or it will become diluted into vain considerations elsewhere. Before going further here, let's see who would like to participate in order to make this a sort of group study determined from two to a few members. I will open a new thread according to the presence of positive replies here.
Concerning the Sky, and Dew, as well as urine, it is Libavius' terrestrial sky, and by spirits, ancients qualified aqueous and humid bodies, which circulate through and through, and are the only cause for a digestive economy.
We will come to it in time if you may.
Meanwhile, those who are ready to participate in this study, express that will with a simple : i do.

reply to post by AlRub
I do.

reply to post by AlRub


Wow.

What is with the two irate French guys trolling this thread?

Are you friends with IIIIX there, Alvin the Red, because I actually think that you are him under a new screen name?

Your nonsense did not make any sense on this website either (linked below); why are you dragging it over here?

alchimie.mystique.over-blog.com...

Only in France does your Alchemy come on a website with hot pink wallpaper and a lewd video. Figures.

If you want to save everyone here from Urine then why don't you post a thread? Or haven't you hit your 20 posts yet?

That was the problem that IIIIX had as well.

The fact that Sign00's release of information has caused this type of activity on this thread and others only rivets down my conviction further. It seems that the idea of a couple of hundred jokers with waterbaths and Sign00s book is causing somebody to lose some sleep.

To anyone reading AlRub's posts. Take it or leave it; but the warning sign some may be missing is the part where he insists that it 'Must be organized'. No it must not, and it is better off that way.








Edit: No seriously; bring it on you Frenchies. You guys are the last ones that I expected to try and drag this back in to the dark ages and it really irritates me. You wanna play 'Battle of the Alchemists'? Go for it.

But I have to warn you; I'm not very smart. So you might just get frustrated.



Oh. It's 'Two-Ten' not 'twenty-twelve'.

reply to post by AlRub


Are your early posts even your own, or did you simply copy them from the website Frater linked (my thought is both)? You seem to be saying many seemingly contradictory things. You accuse Sign00 of intentionally misleading but for no profit, and no motive? You say you were brought here (in so many words) by karma? to-punish?-Sign00... You are aware how insane that sounds right?
Yet if that website is yours then you should tell everyone. If not then you are a plagiarizing fraud, and you should leave and take your (or someone elses?) long winded ramblings with you. I trust no one fully, but so far Sign00 has provided much more evidence and for free I might add. You have done nothing but speak in terms more confusing than ancient alchemists, and IMO with much less understanding, as well as make unfounded accusations and proclamations.
Explain yourself clearly or drop the fake authority.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein

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Yeah, time91, you've cut to the heart of the matter...

You have done nothing but speak in terms more confusing than ancient alchemists,

He really is such a blow hard that he makes puffers look sensible. You should really have a skim through his website; it gets much worse.

Yep, I've gotten pretty used to the slinging from all sides. So far it's been all that and a bag of chips all through this thread. That being said, I always try to keep an open mind and put the angst aside. I'll keep my middle position, as usual xXx.

I believe in both practical and spiritual and wish to see someone layout a way to understand the treatise of both without the next 30 years reading.

There's not too many people who are willing to do what he's saying and i am open to see where it goes and was hoping all you peeps would join in and put your heads together in one civil thread, ego's aside. Debate, correct if wrong, show why and move in a good direction and maybe we would all learn something new or weed out the BS'ers. This is ATS the infiltrators get served quickly.

Like he said, an objective study.

Yeah, straight talk without the need of a deciphering key would be nice also.

Word for word, so if he is who he says he is, I would hope that these words could ring true in here, for all parties involved. (taken from the blog)

Often we meet studious circles debating about the reality of a spiritual alchemy which could exist independently of another alchemy that they call "practical" or "operative". These adversaries, although mutually bonded in Hermes, offer burning feuds on this subject and the absence of all temperance pushes them to close the debates, each group rejoining his side, well determined to protect their respective doctrine, Internal Magistery against External Alchemy clearly separated. These illegitimate disagreements serve to prove an ignorance and incomprehension of what true Alchemy is.

Source

If not, he just got served. So let's see what happens. Time to put the proof in the pudding.

I'm in!

Yep sorry my bad, i didn't think integrating a couple chunks of a blog i'm fond of was going to bring me that much retaliation. The author's name is Jean de Lisle-Deyfran, don't know him but obviously french.
His blog, after a few years of reading elsewhere, really inspired me and gave me comfort in my understanding of alchemy, and i'm just someone who's worked a lot in theory alone and who would enjoy either confronting other views in a studious argumentation backed up with quotes for example, or simply somewhat study together i'm no adept but i'm also certain urine has no metallic property and can never have enough power to penetrate metals, not to mention silver and gold.
As Frater(i forgot the number) said i can't open anything now, and im in the middle of the book of Aquarius.
I'll leave you with this for now, yes i won't forget to quote. This time it's from Ripley (Twelve Gates") :

"For all the while they have Philosophers been,
Yet could they never know what was our Stone,
Some sought it in dung, in urine, some in wine,
Some in star slime (some thing it is but one),
In blood and eggs : some till their thrift was gone,
Dividing elements, and breaking many a pot,
Shards multiplying, but yet they hit it not."

reply to post by AlRub


For reference. They are pretty strict on plagiarism around here. Without the external block quotes, which are in the post a reply screen (EX-TEXT) button and a link to the original source (LINK) button. Everyone thinks it's your words.

Your gonna get hammered by the members, forewarned.

I would still like to see what you have to say in a thread.

This is turning out to be one of the heaviest things that I have ever been involved in if it is allowed to go that way.

Al Rub, don't even sweat it, man. I could have been caught out doing the same kind of thing myself. You are just fine.

This very thread has shined a really bright light on so many of my own shortcomings that I am too embarrassed to even go there. So please just forget about it. You found what you were looking for; a bunch of guys who are really interested in Alchemy. As the BoA itself suggests, this thread has had time to settle and the good stuff has risen to the top; the stuff from The Texan and others has been pretty bad ass.

So please let's just drop it. You are totally fine with me, Brother.

reply to post by AlRub


Sounds more sensible, and I too am willing to have a continued study in the matter. However for future reference, make your quotes clear and do not assume a false position of authority, or you will be called out (like above). I saw you attack Sign00 without grounds and I responded.

If we do continue with it though, I expect plain wording, the time for coded words and confusing language in any manner is over.

Alright, alright...

It all comes down to this: there is no argument against The Book of Aquarius by anyone who has read the original, genuine alchemical tracts. But anyone who has read modern alchemy books, as bought from a bookshop or Amazon will of course have big problems with it. Obviously, these modern alchemy books are wrong because their authors do not have the Stone. Anyone can argue anything they want, and speak all kind of nonsense until hell freezes over, but it doesn't mean anything. I, on the other hand, do not expect anyone to take my word for it - the purpose of the book is to help you to understand the genuine alchemical tracts. It has happened that many people are taking my word for it, but I didn't expect this to happen, I expected that everyone would figure the truth out for themselves with a little push. The Book of Aquarius is, in many ways, a commentary on the genuine alchemical sources, combined with my personal experiences of making the Stone, up to the Black Stage, which is where I am now (still, since the beginning of this year - though it has been developing nicely.)

Now, I never claimed to have the Stone... because I'm still making it. This is clearly stated in the book. If I had it I would already have distributed it and the world would have become a very different place. Meanwhile, if you would like to know the greatest secret kept by mankind from mankind, I have released it. Obviously, again, it must be free, since charging money for an alchemy book would be a strange thing to do, considering the information is worth more than all the money in the world.

There is no argument against The Book of Aquarius because all of it is supported by direct quotes from the alchemical tracts. This is ignored by everyone who argues against it. Obviously if one does not believe in the authority of the ancient alchemists then this doesn't mean anything, but those who are arguing are those who actually call themselves alchemists - which means they must respect the authority of the alchemists, or else they must be very confused people.

Here are some quotes for you, from the book, for those who want to argue but don't want to read it:

Some quotes showing the ingredients is urine:
For the Stone is prepared out of nothing in the whole world, except this substance, which is essentially one. He who is unacquainted therewith can never attain the Art. It is that one thing which is not dug up from mines, or from the caverns of the earth, like gold, silver, sulphur, salt, &c., but is found in the form which God originally imparted to it. It is formed and manifested by an excessive thickening of air; as soon as it leaves its body, it is clearly seen, but it vanishes without a trace as soon as it touches the earth, and, as it is never seen again, it must therefore be caught while it is still in the air.
The Glory of the World, Or, Table of Paradise, by Anonymous, 1526 AD
Know that our Mercury is before the eyes of all men, though it is known to few. When it is prepared, its splendour is most admirable; but the sight is vouchsafed to none, save the sons of knowledge. Do not despise it, therefore, when you see it in sordid guise; for if you do, you will never accomplish our Magistery—and if you can change its countenance, the transformation will be glorious. For our water is a most pure virgin, and is loved of many, but meets all her wooers in foul garments, in order that she may be able to distinguish the worthy from the unworthy.
The Fount of Chemical Truth, by Eirenaeus Philalethes, 1694 AD

Talking in elaborate sentences is a sure sign of a faker:
Among those who devote themselves to the transmutation of metals, however, there can be no such thing as mediocrity of attainment. A man who studies this Art, must have either everything or nothing. An Alchemist who knows only half his craft, reaps nothing but disappointment and waste of time and money; moreover, he lays himself open to the mockery of those who despise our Art. Those, indeed, who succeed in reaching the goal of the Magistery, have not only infinite riches, but the means of continued life and health. Hence it is the most popular of all human pursuits. Anyone who has read a few "Receipts" claims the title of a Sage, and conceives the most extravagant hopes; and, in order to give themselves the appearance of very wise men indeed, such persons immediately set themselves to construct furnaces, fill their laboratories with stills and alembics, and approach the work with a wonderful appearance of profundity. They adopt an obscure jargon, speak of the first matter of the metals, and discuss with a learned air the rotation of the elements, and the marriage of Gabritius with Bega. In the meantime, however, they do not succeed in bringing about any metamorphosis of the metals, except that of their gold and silver into copper and bronze.
The Metamorphosis of Metals, by Eirenaeus Philalethes, 1694 AD

So much to say and so little motivation to say it, give me a couple of days before replying here, meanwhile, if you don't mind doing a synthesized recap here of the Work version book of aquarius, it'll help keeping clarity alive. You could also explain the quote i inserted above.. talk to you soon.

Well, i have read the book. Twice. And have studied, on a very informal level, this type of stuff for years. I would LOVE for people who claim to have additional insights beyond mine to share. All i can provide is the subject of my reading, and subsequent meditation. That is, assuming i remember what I mediated on (i discover so much through meditation that I can only retain about half of it, maybe a little less).

I was in my car yesterday thinking about this stuff because this thread lit up again. I have been trying to convince myself for the past several months that, given another year or two. I would have come to the same conclusion as Sign00; we were working with the same substance but in drastically different ways.

I found a video (my significant other turned me on to it) and I thought it did a pretty good job of describing my relationship with the Prima Materia until Sign00s BoA came along. Here it is. Allegorically I am the little puffer with the rattle and The Balloon is the Prima Materia.



The truth is that I may have never figured it out. I could have gone to my death with it right next to me. That is actually really funny but you would have to have the complete back story for it to make you laugh.

So I am not in a position to expound directly upon the practical aspects of Alchemy as I would have to refer to Sign00 and the BoA. And they are both right here.

The thing that is blowing my mind right now is the apparent disparity of understanding; we all seem to be in different places with this. For me the BoA is clear as a bell. Sign00 has done everybody a favor and has listed at the BoA forum the books that are good for reading and those that are not. Some of my favorites did not make the cut, but after reading the BoA I am clear on why. Sign00 has always had good reasons and solid integrity when it comes to why certain texts are useless and others are not. It doesn't mean that I round filed them I just know them for what they are.

Maybe that is a good place for folks to start. Go look at the list and see what you think; I bet some of your faves didn't make the cut either. And then look at the ones that did make the cut; when taken after reading BoA they sing like canaries.

One thing that I can say , I don't think it is urine. This is the author's addition, his own opinion, it appears no where in the texts that he assembled from the book, only in those that he states his opinion.

He deducted that it's urine since it talks of some things that he drew an opinion from.

There is only one spring in all the world from which this water may be obtained. It issues in a secret place, and its waters flow over all the world. It is familiar to all, yet none knows the principle, reason, or way to find the spring.

For this reason, that Sage might well exclaim, "O water of a harsh and bitter taste!" For, in truth, the spring is difficult to find; but he who knows it may reach it easily, without any expense, labour, or trouble.

The water is, of its own nature, harsh and bitter, so that no one can partake of it; and, because it is of little use to the majority of mankind, the Sage doth also exclaim, "O water, that art lightly esteemed by the vulgar, who do not perceive thy great virtues, in thee lie, as it were, hid the four elements. Thou hast power to dissolve, and conserve, and join nature, such as is possessed by no other thing upon earth."

It is called Rebis (Two-thing), is a Stone, Salt, one body, and, to the majority of mankind, a vile and despised thing. Our Matter is one of the commonest things upon earth, and contains within itself the four elements. It is, indeed, nothing short of marvellous that so many seek so ordinary a thing, and yet are unable to find it.

The two are really only one very limpid water, which is so bitter as to be quite undrinkable. The quantity of this water is so great that it flows over the whole earth, yet leads to nothing but the knowledge of this Art.

The same also is misused too often by those who desire it. Take also the "fire," and in it you will find the Stone, and nowhere else in the whole world. It is familiar to all men, both young and old, is found in the country, in the village, in the town, in all things created by God; yet it is despised by all.

Rich and poor handle it every day. It is cast into the street by servant maids. Children play with it. Yet no one prizes it, though, next to the human soul, it is the most beautiful and the most precious thing upon earth, and has power to pull down kings and princes.

Nevertheless, it is esteemed the vilest and meanest of earthly things. It is cast away and rejected by all.

For no one would dream of buying the true Matter at the apothecary's; nay, that tradesman daily casts it into the street as worthless refuse.

The Glory of the World, Or, Table of Paradise, by Anonymous, 1526 AD

bookofaquarius.forgottenbooks.org...

Still sure it isn't urine?

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Frater, That is the exact excerpt that stood out to me when reading the book.

Like, slaps forehead with fist when I read it.

Here we go with our synchs again.

In fact I was going to pull it up and post it yesterday.

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Okay .

Rich and poor handle it every day. It is cast into the street by servant
maids

Maids throw pee into the streets.

Children play with it.

Children play with pee.

It's how he deducted it and understood it I guess, he drew a conclusion from all the texts, as you can see these things don't add up and everything is indeed a metafore. It could be from any of the substances out there to thin air, a very large proportional number.

reply to post by timewalker


No, kidding, man. That is a good one isn't it? I have found that one can pull quotes from any of the texts that Sign00 cites and get the same results; some I just have to squint at a little harder than others.

Grab some more if you can find them; I just nabbed that because it was on top.