Lost Cities and the states of Atlantis

Originally posted by Byrd

In the 1800's, the mystical societies often went in for elaborate blended Christian images or Egyptian images. But in ancient times they kept to relatively simple symbols...much easier to carve in stone and sculpt into seals.

Would this be one such as the Horus / Orsiris comparision?

As for the Patootie, , lets leave it at that.

But as for the Languages, does this then infer, you have this belief of a Common Tongue for Mankind, as outlined within the Tower of Babel Story?

And is it not, "Ancestors" of these, that developed the Langauges and written skils long, long after the "Altantis" era? (Something like 5000 Years according to the general lore)

It would make more sense, if we had written records from this era as well, but I think that the Linguistic Differences from that time, and the Hand me Down recollections may explain these varied Names.

After all, in only 3000 Years or writing, My God has three, if not more names . (Allah, Jehovah, Yahveh, Lord God).

Do you get what I mean?

And how did the Thesis go. Is that all over? Was it a success?

Ciao

Shane

Byrd et al:

It seems that Atlanta (Atlantis?) was named from the states I have listed.

I would question that source. Plato says nothing about this, nor does this appear in the more modern, "channeled" information. So your source is apparently the only source for this and is a modern source with no validation from the ancients.

OK, so Plato was never told about it. Does that make it false? OK, regarding the channeled information, are you now saying that it's not channeled?

Regarding a modern source - I would say it is a modern source that has been "transcribed" from an older text source - much like the Bible and many other texts that have been transcribed over the years.

At a period in the early history of civilization, a people existed who were very wise and progressive. They were divided into seven States; each State was surrounded by water - what we would call islands.

The chief state was Lemuria or, as it was called, the Golden City, because so much gold was seen and used.

This is definately a modern source, since the idea of "Lemuria" didn't exist until 1850 or so.

I agree it is, as indicated above.

With one gigantic quake the glory of Lemuria sank beneath the raging waters. With a population of twenty million souls, she was hidden from the eyes of all men, and with her went all the records of her deeds and grandeur. All that remains are strips of lands, now inhabited by other races.

This isn't actually plausible. The Earth doesn't simply collapse continents when earthquakes occur. This is borrowed from other material on Atlantis, which states (again, implausible) that Atlantis sank in an Earthquake.

I agree, I also don't think a Continent could be totally engulfed. Maybe back then each continent was named by their major city? can we *assume* that it wasn't? It is very plausible that a city could be engulfed by an earthquake. BTW, Lemuria existed before Atlantis as indicated below.

Time marched on, and again there arose seven states or tribes. They advanced considerably, bringing peace and prosperity to the earth. The names were Artelmis, Antipolinos, Apotemics, Labuuls, Nochs, Talenos, and Trigas.

But there is no evidence of these cities and so forth (which were, according to the text, important areas.) No civilization refers to them, there's none of their trade goods, and the Sumerians had no legends or knowledge of them.

I TOTALLY agree with you here Byrd. This is the main reason I started this thread. To investiage these Cities/Continents. I am more compelled to believe that because there are no direct links with the names then the source is more credible.

All I can say about the material is that it is from an "association" that dates back thousands of years...possibly even before the Sumerian times. It states: "(the society) have accepted this knowledge with all confidence in its integrity".

Perhaps you should check up on the society's founders and prominent members. It may give you a different idea of just how "ancient" this society is. At the very least, it's surprising that an 'ancient' society would accept as truth material that is clearly modern in origin.

The society is very very old and I cannot unfortunately check the founders Modern "splinter groups" do exist, however they seem to be going in a "far off" direction that does not "gel" with what I have read. Also, once again, I do believe that this information is old, however it has been "modernized"

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For those who are name experts, I have some linked to the Cities/Continents/Islands:

"Another beautiful pricess was Marenah, of the Inkas"

and

"Another frequent visitor to the city was Capa of Nimrol, an artist with high attainments. He was sometimes accompanied by Karlifu, also of Nimrol, another artist. Capa and Karlifu brought many beautiful gifts of craftmanship to Astoreth."

and

"...although Tra-Renai was an Ochunini lady of noble birth..."

and

"The mother of Ma-Tarchi and Marci was Sontah, of the Inkas, on her mother's side. She was lovely as she was true, and was married to Photein, brother of the Ruler of Ochunini..."

I also came across this that was of interest. Could Trigas (also known as Poseiden) - as I mentioned originally - be this?:

The newly emerged land joined the Poseid Archipelago of the Atlantic Ocean to form a small continent. This continent is called Atlantis by historians today, though its real name was Poseid.

I thought the brains of the universe would have seen this link? Is it a link? Could the historians *assumption* be wrong?

Cheers

JS

Hi...I'm still new here. But I'm interesting so much in this topic.
Have you check this link out? www.atlantis.org...

It's a theory about atlantis and connect it with the cause of the Ice Age ended, it was estimated ever existed in east indies, so far from what I've read here.

[edit on 13-7-2006 by mellatrix]

[edit on 13-7-2006 by mellatrix]

Mellatrix:

Had a look but I cannot read French...know a few lines that I say to French girls, however it usually results with a slap in the face

Cheers

JS

Originally posted by mellatrix
Hi...I'm still new here. But I'm interesting so much in this topic.
Have you check this link out? www.atlantis.org...

It's a theory about atlantis and connect it with the cause of the Ice Age ended and the it was estimated ever existed in east indies, so far from what I've read here.

Jumpspace, I'm sorry. I really don't know what you mean. I read it in English.

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mellatrix:

The link you gave (www.atlantis.org...) is in french.

Cheers

JS

Really???
I've checkes it out and....

I'm sorry Jumpspace...I gave you the wrong link. Oh...I'm so embarassed now.
Here is the right one. Hope I don't make the same mistake again....
www.atlan.org...

[edit on 13-7-2006 by mellatrix]

I was just going to ask if you got the original link to www.atlantis.org from a google search.

I thought that might have been the case, as google translates some pages.

I guess it a misunderstanding. wrong link

Originally posted by mellatrix
I'm sorry Jumpspace...I gave you the wrong link. Oh...I'm so embarassed now.
Here is the right one. Hope I don't make the same mistake again....
www.atlan.org...

[edit on 13-7-2006 by mellatrix]

Oh, now you have gone and done it. You've corrected the Link, and crashed their Sever.

I guess they need to get better equipment.

Keep the link fresh though. It may work again someday.

Ciao

Shane

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by Shane
Is everything Channeled?

It's kinder than saying that "they pulled the information out of their patooties."

Though I won't say no one ever channelled anyone, I will say that the bulk of what I have seen was patootiesque.
Take any message that came from channellers with a grain of salt, imo it is likely incorrect, or a correct guess by the channeller. Some psychics of old are harder for me to discount, like Eileen J. Garrett, the Irish medium. She was one of those said to have channelled information about atlantis. She's also possibly the most tested and studied medium of modern times. The account of her premonition of a fatal dirigible crash is very good.
On the other hand, virtually all the other channellers I have read were not credible sounding to me, and I felt they were likely just fakers. Why do most of them channel folks like Moses, Jesus, etc.? What about Joe the poor, unknown, medieval blacksmith? It's always someone famous. That alone makes me wonder.

To all:

Thought I'd set the record straight about something.

The information I am providing - as far as I can see and what I have been told - is NOT channeled. In fact, I was told to keep a LID on it for certain reasons.

Just because Byrd has a "suspicion" this information is "channeled", does not mean a sheep mentality has to be adopted.

There has been a reference to Madame Blatavasky, so I have this question:

Please show me where Madam Blatavasky mentioned the names I have referenced? If this was Blatavasky's work then I expect to see some links with her name and the names I have provided on the same linked page.

If anyone has an opinion then fine, but please don't make broad personal opinions and then not back it up by any evidence - I'd rather you not say anything.

I'm on a fact finding mission here.

Thanks to those who've also helped here as well - INCLUDING you Byrd

Cheers

JS

What are those pyramids really used for? magic perhaps.

Atlantian:

Originally posted by atlantian
What are those pyramids really used for? magic perhaps.

Pyramids? We're not discussing pyramids here, however - yes - they have some interesting "properties"...and some of these properties could well be considered "magical". The Kings chamber, for example, is the main "focal point" of energy in a pyramid - what sort I do not know.

Pyramids - on this thread, however - are not the topic at hand.

Here, we are trying to confirm two things:

1) The validity of the informatoin I have
2) The placement of the cities I have listed

Cheers

JS

Originally posted by Shane
But as for the Languages, does this then infer, you have this belief of a Common Tongue for Mankind, as outlined within the Tower of Babel Story?

Yes and no. The ancestors (perhaps as far back as Australopithecus) had words, and the tribe understood the words and signs and gestures. But as they spread out, they needed different words for things. Look at the land around you -- if you move 20 miles in any direction (just a day's march), the land often changes. You have different plants and different birds and animals. Move 200 miles away, and things can be very different.

Linguists speculate that there was some sort of primitive "mother tongue" spoken in the past when we were all in Africa (about 2 million years ago or so) but there's really no chance of reconstructing it. www.wsu.edu...

And is it not, "Ancestors" of these, that developed the Lanaguges and written skils long, long after the "Altantis" era? (Something like 5000 Years according to the general lore)

Now here we run into a problem. There was no Atlantis at the time when humans developed the ability to speak (hyloid process, brain areas.) In fact, there weren't any homo sapiens around at this time. By the time homo erectus migrates out of Africa, there was some sort of language... and it is from this that the languages of homo sapiens evolve.

It would make more sense, if we had written records from this era as well, but I think that the Linguistic Differences from that time, and the Hand me Down recollections may explain these varied Names.

I don't think we have any hand-me-down recollections from homo erectus.

After all, in only 3000 Years or writing, My God has three, if not more names . (Allah, Jehovah, Yahveh, Lord God).

Many more than that, if you're only counting the Judaeo-Christian lineage. And far, far more than that if you're allowing other cultures and languages and gods.

Do you get what I mean?

Not really.

Languages as I understand them are very old and very complex. Legends and stories cross over, yes, but there's also common themes because of common human experience (everyone falls in love... but not all tragic love stories are Romeo and Juliet rewritten.) We have ways of telling how long a language diverged from another, but we can only go back 10,000 years or so. We know there are older languages, but they have been subject to an entropy... newer words and accents overlaid the older ones until they were obliterated.

Like overwriting a file on your hard drive several thousand times... the original data is lost at that point.

Originally posted by jumpspace
Byrd et al:

It seems that Atlanta (Atlantis?) was named from the states I have listed.

I would question that source. Plato says nothing about this, nor does this appear in the more modern, "channeled" information. So your source is apparently the only source for this and is a modern source with no validation from the ancients.

OK, so Plato was never told about it.

But Plato's the oldest source.

OK, regarding the channeled information, are you now saying that it's not channeled?

No. I was trying to not be rude and confrontational and say "someone deliberately made it up."

Regarding a modern source - I would say it is a modern source that has been "transcribed" from an older text source - much like the Bible and many other texts that have been transcribed over the years.

Then where are the authentic older "footprints" of this?

Every story, even the secret ones, leave hints and footprints. Not a modern "we told you it dated back to the cavemen"... but there would also be references to it in other writing throughout time. The same secret story (the Gnostics is a good example of secret teachings brought down through time. You can see references to them and their texts in other writings -- it echoes through history.

I agree, I also don't think a Continent could be totally engulfed. Maybe back then each continent was named by their major city? can we *assume* that it wasn't? It is very plausible that a city could be engulfed by an earthquake. BTW, Lemuria existed before Atlantis as indicated below.

This is what the modern legends say (Lemuria was older.) But... if you check (wikipedia and other sources) you will see that no one had a concept of "lemuria" before 1850 or so. And continents aren't the same thing as islands... think Australia. New Guinea and Hawaii are islands; not continents. Iceland is the smallest continent we have.

The society is very very old and I cannot unfortunately check the founders

Modern "splinter groups" do exist, however they seem to be going in a "far off" direction that does not "gel" with what I have read. Also, once again, I do believe that this information is old, however it has been "modernized"

I will add that it was a common practice for esoteric societies of the late 1800's to invent a history for themselves.

"Another beautiful pricess was Marenah, of the Inkas"

Oh dear. Oh dearie dear. If they're trying to make a South American connection, they are way off base. Incans didn't have princesses, and that's not an Incan name. If they're trying to make an "Atlantean" connection, that's a Hebrew name.

Uhm... I'll leave off the rest. It really sounds like channeled stuff fromt the 1800's.

I also came across this that was of interest. Could Trigas (also known as Poseiden) - as I mentioned originally - be this?:

The newly emerged land joined the Poseid Archipelago of the Atlantic Ocean to form a small continent. This continent is called Atlantis by historians today, though its real name was Poseid.

There's a couple of problems with that. First, there's no such archipelago and no written evidence of any such. The Atlantic is getting wider... and we don't see archipelagos form in places where the continents are drifiting apart:
www.moorlandschool.co.uk...

I thought the brains of the universe would have seen this link?

Is it a link? Could the historians *assumption* be wrong?

Poseid is found in some channeled texts from the 19th century:
www.sacred-texts.com...

A few of the esoteric societies embraced this information uncritically:
www.adelphi.com...

A quick scan of web pages shows that this channeled text from the 1800's is the foundation for the "Poseid" link and some of your other names.



[edit on 17-7-2006 by Byrd]

Originally posted by jumpspace
There has been a reference to Madame Blatavasky, so I have this question:

Please show me where Madam Blatavasky mentioned the names I have referenced? If this was Blatavasky's work then I expect to see some links with her name and the names I have provided on the same linked page.

I was the one who mentioned her because her group was very avid about the Atlantis story, and a lot of information (channeled) was produced by them (as well as hymns, songs, poems (bad poetry, too) and so forth).

...i know those names- their origins and history...also the bits and pieces that you (jumpstart) included re 'the story'- know who wrote it, how they got their information..and much much more see the below for more....

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