If Jesus knew that he was God and had God's powers, how is that considered "making a sacrafice" ?

Originally posted by idonotcollectstamps
reply to post by alexandrinos

 

The Adam and Eve thing seems more of a metaphor. If you were to take the Garden of Eden and the Adam and Eve story literally it has more plot holes than a C movie made in Bollywood.

God Tells Adam and Eve not to eat the apple
The apple, once eaten gives Man and Woman the knowledge of right and wrong
How can man and Woman know NOT to eat the Apple if God has not given them the knowledge of right and wrong?

That is like telling a child not to stick a knife in the light socket "Because I said so".

You missed the biggest and funniest plot hole... When all powerful God asks Adam where he is, and Adam thinks he can hide from God. Adam should have eaten from the tree of common sense perhaps... =)

reply to post by Akragon


Hey, we are not perfect but we can always strive to be the best we can be

UrgentInsurgent , you cant go to "hell" if you dont have a law. The apostle Paul says that the responsability comes through the law. So, if somebody dies without hearing the Bible message, maybe God will resurect such a person and he/she will have to demonstrate that he is faitfull to God . Beside that, the Hell is a human concept, and has nothing to do with a loving Father. Could a lovely and right God send to hell a person(everlasting torment) for a sin made in a few years?

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by Akragon

 

Hey, we are not perfect but we can always strive to be the best we can be

Exactly my friend...

reply to post by alexandrinos


Is that not what the bible and loads of christians are saying?

reply to post by UrgentInsurgent


Lot of Christians doesnt necessarly mean the Bible . The Hell was invented by humans to present God in a bad light, or to take advantage of their naive personality.

reply to post by Buddha1098


The Eden was not an alegoric place bcs the Bible gives geographic clues of the location.So, logically I cant assume that Adam, Eva and the plot was alegoric. Besides, Jesus confirms that Adam existed. The problem was not eating a fruit, but having trust in God.This was the test. Do you learn always what is bad through experience? I guess not. Because you are still alive ...

reply to post by alexandrinos


I think "hell" is when the soul ceases to exist

reply to post by alexandrinos


When poor Adam was starving like crazy and God tells him not to eat it......

God knew what Adam's response was going to be before it happened

reply to post by idonotcollectstamps


The Bible states that God gived them a warning: they should dye if they were not trusting him. And dying meant not a Hell, but eternal destruction. Adam and Eva must have seen that for example the animals died,what was maybe natural, so they could understand what the death imply

reply to post by bluemirage5

Why starving? There were maybe thousands of fruits in the garden. That was a bad conduct and they choose to hear the voice of the wrong person, the Angel Satan that stated that they wouldnt die anymore....curiosly, what the majority of christians are saying, that we normally are not dying after the physical death.

Originally posted by alexandrinos
reply to post by UrgentInsurgent

 

Lot of Christians doesnt necessarly mean the Bible

. The Hell was invented by humans to present God in a bad light, or to take advantage of their naive personality.

There is no reference to hell in the bible? No reference to punishment or tribulation for not submitting to god?

reply to post by idonotcollectstamps


The short answer is that he WASN'T God - he was and is God's SON.

reply to post by alexandrinos


I don't know if it was allegorical or not because I wasn't there, but if you believe it is a literal account and that helps you to Love all of creation unconditionally then that is fantastic.

Originally posted by Buddha1098
reply to post by alexandrinos

 

I don't know if it was allegorical or not because I wasn't there, but if you believe it is a literal account and that helps you to Love all of creation unconditionally then that is fantastic.

Perfectly said my friend

reply to post by Buddha1098

Hehe, thanks. love means basically respect for others opinion

reply to post by UrgentInsurgent

Now I asked the question again, and again no answer, I get told to read the bible.

i answered your question the simplest way i could, i didn't wanna get in to the old testament and all the foreshadowing and prophesy.

I´m just annoyed by the fact that several people have said that Jesus died for my sins the past month, but none of them were able to explain that statement.

i agree that some ppl just throw around cliches and catch phrases taken out of the Bible without knowing anything about it. I ask you though to do some research and reading for yourself and take nobody's word for anything... ppl bend and twist things to fit their lifestyle

If that is the case, I hope you don´t try to push your believes and punchlines on other people, like people did with me.

there is a difference in understanding something mentally and understanding something spiritually.
i never push my beliefs on other people,
i simply try and treat everyone and their beliefs with respect and i know everyone can't agree on everything and thats fine.. i simply live the way i believe and let everyone live how they believe.

reply to post by UrgentInsurgent

Hell means some opinion everlasting torment. So, the answer is NO, as curios this answer could be.

reply to post by alexandrinos


Love means putting others ahead of yourself.

Regardless if Jesus was God or God's Son, my issue is still with Jesus having God's powers.

If you believe that Jesus performed miracles and had powers than you admit that Jesus did not really make that much of a sacrifice when put side by side to a mortal who does not have those powers and could not resurrect.

If you believe that Jesus did NOT have any powers (performed no miracles, was just a regular human) than why would Jesus sacrifice be more important than any other human who was killed if we are all truly God's children?

Either way I feel that the story of one person being killed having more importance than any other human on Earth to be disproved with this story. Either he had powers that elevated him above humans and thusly invalidating the sacrifice, or he had no powers and his death should be considered equal to that of EVERY human who has ever died or who ever will die.