And so it begins. Radiation finally reaches my area //might get evacuated

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I will when I get the time

My family and I are settling in even though we don't know if we're coming back or not, it's confusing.

Thanks!

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ahhh, i'm so happy you managed it in the end

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God Bless! Keep On Keepin' On!

I'm sorry to say that I find almost the whole of this topic to be filled with uneducated, unscientific, fear-mongering nonsense. There is and never has been a dangerous level of radiation in Tokyo, still less 25 miles south of Tokyo. To say that the ambient radiation equated to that in a chest x-ray is blatantly incorrect. As a friend of mine put it, rather indelicately: "The current level of radiation in Tokyo is 0.085 micro sieverts per hour. This means if you stood outside, butt naked, for 588 hours, you'd get the equivalent exposure to a chest x-ray."

Why didn't people check scientific information rather than rely on rumour and fear-mongering? Some seem to want the situation to be worse than it actually is (and for those in the north-east of Japan it is really terrible) but the REAL disaster was the tsunami, not the leak of radiation.

Shame on everyone who adds to the already terrible situation by imagining that there is a nuclear disaster too. There isn't. I hope all those who ran away from Japan are not allowed back into the country.

Originally posted by Jazzscapez
God i cant sleep knowing that your going through this.
I just have to stay up.
Positive vibes shipped from Massachusetts to YOU in japan.
Lets all pray for our brothers.

AND sisters, please ? I mean, last time I checked there are girls and women there, too.

Originally posted by Foddy
I'm sorry to say that I find almost the whole of this topic to be filled with uneducated, unscientific, fear-mongering nonsense. There is and never has been a dangerous level of radiation in Tokyo, still less 25 miles south of Tokyo. To say that the ambient radiation equated to that in a chest x-ray is blatantly incorrect. As a friend of mine put it, rather indelicately: "The current level of radiation in Tokyo is 0.085 micro sieverts per hour. This means if you stood outside, butt naked, for 588 hours, you'd get the equivalent exposure to a chest x-ray."

Why didn't people check scientific information rather than rely on rumour and fear-mongering? Some seem to want the situation to be worse than it actually is (and for those in the north-east of Japan it is really terrible) but the REAL disaster was the tsunami, not the leak of radiation.

Shame on everyone who adds to the already terrible situation by imagining that there is a nuclear disaster too. There isn't. I hope all those who ran away from Japan are not allowed back into the country.

Iodine-131 Found In Philadelphia Water.
www.myfoxphilly.com...



Getting close to home here for me.

The situation is undoubtedly bad, but when we look back at this in 5/10 years time, it will be the death and destruction from the tsunami which will be the story, with the temporary problems at the nuclear plant only a side story. If anyone thinks otherwise, then please show me how many people - other than several brave workers at the Fukushima plant - have received dangerous levels of radiation. Certainly no-one in the Tokyo area, where levels are currently lower than those in New York and where they have never risen even close to levels in Denver.

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The situation is undoubtedly bad, but when we look back at this in 5/10 years time, it will be the death and destruction from the tsunami which will be the story

do those affected by Chernobyl look back now and say it was no big deal 25 years later? do the mothers of all the kids born deformed feel the same way?

Originally posted by Foddy the temporary problems at the nuclear plant

Wow...that to me is quite an understatement. Still probably will be an understatement in 5/10 years IMO.

Kind of like saying the bombing of Hiroshima was a temporary problem. Or even, the bombing and occupation of Baghdad by the Americans was a temporary problem. Some "temporary problems" have a way of being major turning points. Now, a pimple on one's face is a temporary problem, but a cancerous growth on one's face not one.

Originally posted by Foddy
I'm sorry to say that I find almost the whole of this topic to be filled with uneducated, unscientific, fear-mongering nonsense. There is and never has been a dangerous level of radiation in Tokyo,

I would ask you then, what is a dangerous level to you?

"The current level of radiation in Tokyo is 0.085 micro sieverts per hour.

The live thread in tokyo is at 19.48 micro sieverts per hour and rising.

Why didn't people check scientific information rather than rely on rumour and fear-mongering?

We do, What sources do you need. how about I make it simple for you. One ,Two, Three, there is an abundance of evidence.

TOKYO — Radioactive iodine detected in Tokyo’s water supply prompted Japanese authorities on Wednesday to warn that infants in Tokyo and surrounding areas should not be given tap water to drink

but the REAL disaster was the tsunami, not the leak of radiation.

The real disaster was everything including the reactors don't you think? why are you downplaying the meltdown?


You don't call the level 7 event at the reactors a disaster?

Originally posted by Foddy
I'm sorry to say that I find almost the whole of this topic to be filled with uneducated, unscientific, fear-mongering nonsense. There is and never has been a dangerous level of radiation in Tokyo, still less 25 miles south of Tokyo. To say that the ambient radiation equated to that in a chest x-ray is blatantly incorrect. As a friend of mine put it, rather indelicately: "The current level of radiation in Tokyo is 0.085 micro sieverts per hour. This means if you stood outside, butt naked, for 588 hours, you'd get the equivalent exposure to a chest x-ray."

Why didn't people check scientific information rather than rely on rumour and fear-mongering? Some seem to want the situation to be worse than it actually is (and for those in the north-east of Japan it is really terrible) but the REAL disaster was the tsunami, not the leak of radiation.

Shame on everyone who adds to the already terrible situation by imagining that there is a nuclear disaster too. There isn't. I hope all those who ran away from Japan are not allowed back into the country.

That is one of the most ignorant posts I've seen in my 7 years reading these forums

No nuclear disaster? Are you kidding me? The effects of Fukushima will be felt for many, many years to come - and it's far from over yet either. Japan has lost a whole chunk of land, probably forever. There WILL be health problems caused from this accident in the long term - guaranteed. Fukushima is the gift that keeps on giving.

And FYI, these forums were calling for this accident to be raised to a level 7 weeks ago - TEPCO finally did so today. These forums were calling for the evac zone to be extended weeks ago - TEPCO finally did so today. This place has been ahead of the game since the EQ struck.

This is typical of the scare-mongering which seems to be so common here. You can check the current levels of radiation in Tokyo (actually Shinjuku) on this website:

113.35.73.180...

from which you will see that the average level for the last hour was 0.0779 microgray (at the time of posting). This is less than New York (about 0.09), Hong Kong (1.14), Singapore and many other places.

I think the figure you are looking at (from one of the sites you refer to) is 'counts per minute' (cpm is shown on the machine). The "alert" level in the US is 130, so a figure of 19.48 is extremely low (and in fact the current figure, when I looked at the site you referred to, was about 15, so it seems to be falling, not rising.

Your reference to water was dated 23rd March, at which time the reading was about 300 becquerels against a safety limit of 200 (even 300 would be regarded as safe in Europe). The most recent readings I saw were 2.9.

Finally, the weather chart you referred to shows 'potential' not actual movement of radiation.

In other words, this is typical cherry-picking and scare-mongering (not to mention outright lying!).

Perhaps, I did make a bit light of the situation when I said it is not a disaster, but it is coming more under control and life in Tokyo (I live there) is almost back to normal. Meantime, it is in the interest of those who fled, of course, to try and justify their decision. And of the media worldwide to blow the whole problem out of proportion. The overall negative effect on Japan's GDP is estimated to be between 1% and 3% this year, with a positive effect next year when rebuilding really kicks in.

Originally posted by Komodo

Thank you Komodo for sharing. We need more videos like these, to show what's really going on.
I am curious, was that an animal de-contamination shelter in the video?

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In other words, this is typical cherry-picking and scare-mongering (not to mention outright lying!).

Perhaps, I did make a bit light of the situation when I said it is not a disaster, but it is coming more under control and life in Tokyo (I live there) is almost back to normal. Meantime, it is in the interest of those who fled, of course, to try and justify their decision. And of the media worldwide to blow the whole problem out of proportion. The overall negative effect on Japan's GDP is estimated to be between 1% and 3% this year, with a positive effect next year when rebuilding really kicks in.

if things are getting under control....why is it raised to a level 7 event?
why is the evac zone being extended?
why is radiadtion levels rising in parts of japan?


sadly you have been a victim of lying and downplaying by your own leaders..
they have given you numbers that don't add up..
I hope you understand how many years this problem will be around
So good luck to you...and If you think everyone is fear mongering...so be it..but maybe ..just maybe someday you will look at the real facts.
do yourself a favor do some research on Chernobyl
So

if things are getting under control....why is it raised to a level 7 event?
why is the evac zone being extended?
why is radiadtion levels rising in parts of japan?

I really wonder where you are getting your information from! The evacuation zone is not being extended. In fact there are 2 evacuation zones. The first is 20km, although there are still quite a lot of people living within that zone, with shops and other services still in operation. The second is zone between 20 and 30 km zone, where people are recommended to leave or at least stay inside as much as possible. The US and UK recommended a 50 mile exclusion zone with the same recommendations, but the US has now admitted that it did this without any scientific evidence. By the way, the greater part of all these evacuation zones is in the sea (take a look at a map).

The level was raised to 7 retrospectively in view of a re-examination of what happened. It does not mean that the situation is getting worse. This is from the BBC today:

"The World Health Organization (WHO) said risk to public health from the accident was no worse after the change.

"Our public health assessment is the same today as it was yesterday," WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl said.

The IAEA's Denis Flory says "the situation remains very serious, but at the moment there is very little public health risk outside the 30-km (evacuation) zone."

"Finally, radiation levels vary very slightly from day to day and from hour to hour, but they are not consistently rising. In Tokyo, they have been falling for the last 20 days or so. Are you suggesting the opposite? If so, please provide some evidence. I already gave a link to the levels in Tokyo.

Actually, why not hop on a plane to Tokyo - the US government isn't saying it's not safe - and take a look at things here. Life is almost 100% back to normal, unless you want to buy more than one 2 litre bottle of bottled water (why would you want to do that anyway!) or natto, a type of fermented bean paste, which one can quite happily live without.

By the way, 7 is the highest level on the nuclear incident scale. If there was an explosion of a nuclear plant tomorrow and 100,000 people died immediately, that would still be a level 7. It does not mean that the risk at Fukushima is the same as that posed at Chernobyl, where the release of radiation was more than 10 times higher. Finally, yes, I have looked at what happened at Chernobyl, particularly the UN's highly scientific study over more than 20 years, which concluded that the number of deaths and amount of sickness caused by the Chernobyl explosion (there was no equivalent explosion at Fukushima) were surprisingly small and way less than those given in some unscientific studies. And In the month following the Chernobyl explosion 134 workers were hospitalised with acute radiation sickness and 31 died. The equivalent figures for Fukushima are none and none (although 3 workers have been taken to hospital with radiation burns, this is not the same as acute radiation sickness.)

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I really wonder where you are getting your information from! The evacuation zone is not being extended.

well you better call Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano and tell him he is full of it then

The Japanese government has expanded its current 20-kilometer evacuation zone around the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant due to the risks associated with long-term radiation exposure.

Edano said that residents in other areas of the 30-kilometer zone will be asked to prepare for an emergency evacuation. He also said they will need to evacuate on their own. Vulnerable people, such as the handicapped, should be prepared for any contingency.

Monday, April 11, 2011 20:13 +0900 (JST)

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I really like how he says they should evacuate on their own....like they can without gas

On Monday, the government expanded its 20-kilometer evacuation zone to include towns where annual exposure is expected to top 20 millisieverts. It asked residents to evacuate within about a month.

Tuesday, April 12, 2011 08:52 +0900 (JST)

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The US and UK recommended a 50 mile exclusion zone with the same recommendations, but the US has now admitted that it did this without any scientific evidence.

do you have any proof they admited this?

why have several other nations done the same thing?

The level was raised to 7 retrospectively in view of a re-examination of what happened. It does not mean that the situation is getting worse

I would think that still leaking radiation would make things worse wouldn't you??

"Finally, radiation levels vary very slightly from day to day and from hour to hour, but they are not consistently rising. In Tokyo, they have been falling for the last 20 days or so. Are you suggesting the opposite? If so, please provide some evidence. I already gave a link to the levels in Tokyo.

there have been several members of ATS giving reports from inside Japan as well..and the numbers don't always match...but trust the ones that you want..

Actually, why not hop on a plane to Tokyo - the US government isn't saying it's not safe - and take a look at things here

Actually if I had a way there I would come...not to sit in Tokyo but to go and try help get people out of the radiation zone

And In the month following the Chernobyl explosion 134 workers were hospitalised with acute radiation sickness and 31 died

and if you think that only those few people died from Chernobyl then there is no use talking to you further...

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Well, be safe over there. Wishing you and Japan the best. Remember Foddy to Deny Ignorance! As a smart person once said.

"All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed, Second it is violently opposed, Third it is accepted as being self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer, German philosopher, (1788-1860)

Originally posted by RoyalBlue

Originally posted by Jazzscapez
God i cant sleep knowing that your going through this.
I just have to stay up.
Positive vibes shipped from Massachusetts to YOU in japan.
Lets all pray for our brothers.

AND sisters, please ? I mean, last time I checked there are girls and women there, too.

Well, jazzscapez was shot by police two weeks ago. There is a thread on it somewhere on ats.....so....just thought id point that out. I don't think he literally meant men only.

Chill out.....