Lack of feminine characteristics...

Originally posted by Yeah-Alright

Originally posted by hp1229

Originally posted by Yeah-Alright

Originally posted by davespanners

edit on 7-3-2011 by davespanners because: spelling

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I am assuming you're an international student studying in the West (presumably in US). The only way to get even is to speak the same language. Generally the women from the east do have lot more patience and understanding and are not provoked that easily. They can really take some abuse before they open their 'third eye'. You should toughen up along with your roommate and possibly kick some butt if you have to if the polite and kind words do not achieve your objective. There is a big cultural vacuum in the West and thats why the shallow minds. Its not their fault but just that US is a relatively new country compared to other major countries around the world. US Culture is pretty much whatever the immigrants brought with them along with the constant influx of new immigrants from different parts of the world. Eventually there is a commonality that is acceptable to everyone from different parts of the world who migrated to the US and that is the American Culture (if thats is what your roommate is).

I am in a European country at the moment...

edit on 9-3-2011 by Yeah-Alright because: (no reason given)

Even worst if you're in Europe. I have to admit that women in US are far better than the European women.

lol...I look at how a lot of these men on here are not into western women or feminists for whatever reason and I can't help but wonder how they would fare in a setting with my sisters and I. See....I worked as a Domina for several years. I never had a shortage of clients and 90% were men in power. CEOs, police officers, military strong men and even those so called progressive types. These were men who made big decisions every day....led whole divisions of people and yet they would cancel meetings to be under my boot. To worship at my temple. So feel free to posture on about what women should be and what men should be and how they should interact but I have always found that businesses such as mine were great at revealing the truth about people. And while I may not have had the opportunity to have face time with my european women friends, I have had some pretty interesting sessions with European and middle eastern men. Men who have come from societies where the women are exactly what you men on here are prattling on about and guess what....they were BORED. These women were far too polite to do the things they really wanted done and they didnt even feel right asking for fear of offending their delicate sensibilities. So they came to me.

If I challenge a man...its because I see them as less than worthy. Women can smell weakness on a man a mile away just as men can sense a woman who carries a victims mentality. So dont get mad at American women because you can't handle us. There are those who can. Like attracts like and only a weak man would want a woman who was such. Men of real strength...men confident in who they are...in their prowess...will seek out a worthy mate who reflects that carries strength of their own because she has the best chance of satisfying him. And strength comes in many forms, as does weakness. Sniveling crybabies, the lot of you!

its not about the children suffering. Children are far tougher than we give them credit for and can thrive in all sorts of family dynamics provided certain needs are met and you dont need a wimpy mom for that, just someone capable of loving and guiding these children along the right path. This about ego trips and while there are those who think that us gals are out here having a blast just to spite men...Im here to inform you that the sun does not shine out of a mans ass and even with all of my less than lady like tendencies I have never had an issue finding a date and have had many marriage proposals. Get that image of a crew cut man hater out of your mind...its far more insidious than you think because some of us she beasts are small and cute and non threatening.

Reply to post by Yeah-Alright

Females wants to just like male ?!?.. Why ??.. dont they hate males with their short comings and egos ?? Where is fun in that ?? :p


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you completely contradict yourself.
So what? I can tell you that I am not interested in you in the least. So what?
you say something about men being weak to come to you and then pretend it is a source of strength.
bah...you aren't a woman...why are you here masquerading as a woman?
It's like a 25 year old boy that thinks fathering children all over the place is a sign of his masculinity and calls himself a man.
You simply appeal to the perversion in the confusion of roles.
You will NEVER know what it's like to be loved by a man that puts you first and formost. They don't exist in your world and therefor to you they do not exist.
We simply never give you a second look.

You only get uncommital moments that equate to the base senses that weak people can never learn to overcome, but instead feed it as an addict does. All temporary thrills but nothing that comes close to the fruits of a covenant relationship. For this type of relationship overcoming chance encounters with the type of women like you actually strengthens relationships by proxy as endurance comes from this.
I will admit though, western society has devolved to a place where it looks "normal" to be abnormal and dysfunction is beginning to be the norm.
So please, call me weird.

Originally posted by hp1229
Its funny to read some of the posts. People are still pointing fingers and blaming others. I still do not see a good post discussing why the women in the east are better than women in the west

No matter where in the world you go, there are good women and there are the not so good. It's the same for men, good and bad. In these times there are more bad than good, due to pride, vanity, arrogance, selfishness, lack of self respect and the respect for others, greed, lust, jealousy, gluttony in every form, lack of understanding of what is love, the list is long.

So, this discussion can go on for all eternity, (although I don't think we have that long), and it will never come to a conclusion. The only thing it comes to is, agreeing and disagreeing.

Originally posted by manna2
reply to post by irsuccubus

 

you completely contradict yourself.
So what? I can tell you that I am not interested in you in the least. So what?
you say something about men being weak to come to you and then pretend it is a source of strength.
bah...you aren't a woman...why are you here masquerading as a woman?
It's like a 25 year old boy that thinks fathering children all over the place is a sign of his masculinity and calls himself a man.
You simply appeal to the perversion in the confusion of roles.
You will NEVER know what it's like to be loved by a man that puts you first and formost. They don't exist in your world and therefor to you they do not exist.
We simply never give you a second look.

You only get uncommital moments that equate to the base senses that weak people can never learn to overcome, but instead feed it as an addict does. All temporary thrills but nothing that comes close to the fruits of a covenant relationship. For this type of relationship overcoming chance encounters with the type of women like you actually strengthens relationships by proxy as endurance comes from this.
I will admit though, western society has devolved to a place where it looks "normal" to be abnormal and dysfunction is beginning to be the norm.
So please, call me weird.

edit on 9-3-2011 by manna2 because: (no reason given)

lmao...you are funny. I have been happily married for 8 years to a wonderful man. I am a mother to 4 wonderful, emotionally well adjusted children whom I stay home to both raise and school. I do not rule over my husband and he does not rule over me and yet their is nothing weak about either of us. I dont give a damn if a man....especially one lurking on the net...is not interested in me. I have never based my action on the hopes that I might catch an eye and even when I met my husband...there was no coquetry....no falling into roles and ritualism that is passed down from well meaning, but misinformed mothers to their daughters. I asked him out because I found him attractive and he was flattered. And the rest is history. I have run into men like you....men who doubt my gender because I like to approach them as an equal and I will tell you the same thing I tell them. You would like it if I were a man because then it wouldn't challenge your perceptions of what women ought to be. Sorry to disappoint you but I am 100% female.

Options for those who like their women submissive. There really is someone for everyone. Kinda.

Originally posted by irsuccubus
I have run into men like you....men who doubt my gender because I like to approach them as an equal and I will tell you the same thing I tell them. You would like it if I were a man because then it wouldn't challenge your perceptions of what women ought to be. Sorry to disappoint you but I am 100% female.

LOL - - a man once told my daughter I ruined her - - because I taught her to be independent and speak up for herself.

Seriously!

I honestly dont have an issue in standing up for their rights etc.
its the hardcore feminists that i have an issue with im not 100% sure why but i dont trust them they seem so....socialist and patronising and extremely contradicting.
I like a woman that will speak up for herself, but i cant stand those self obsessed snobs that feel like their being stepped on everyday drives me crazy.

I suppose though im kinda lucky that my girlfriend actually wants to stay home and nurture our kids and cook and clean and its me that says she should go out and find a job or something, despite her mother who is an out n out feminist though like most contradicts herself on everything

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by irsuccubus
I have run into men like you....men who doubt my gender because I like to approach them as an equal and I will tell you the same thing I tell them. You would like it if I were a man because then it wouldn't challenge your perceptions of what women ought to be. Sorry to disappoint you but I am 100% female.

LOL - - a man once told my daughter I ruined her - - because I taught her to be independent and speak up for herself.

Seriously!

Any man who would consider your daughter ruined for that has missed the point. Its a shame that being a Stepford wife is seen as an asset rather than a liability but such is the way of the world. There will always be those who seek to preserve tradition, even if proves flawed. I suppose we can't fault them for that but we certainly dont have to perpetuate that kind of backward thinking with our daughters. And I am not the only one teaching my girls to be self reliant. Their father is very big on that.

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Story short, there is power in both feminine energy and masculine energy. The problem is, a woman with high masculine energy may feel in control in a relationship - but in the end she will feel slightly empty. A woman who allows herself to feel feminine around her guy will feel a much greater sense of fulfillment in her relationship than a woman who controls, walks over, and demeans her guy. Keep in mind, a woman can be soft at home and a tyrant at work!

This is the huge issue in today's society - a woman's need for control vs her willingness to feel taken care of.

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Originally posted by manna2
reply to post by irsuccubus

 

I will admit though, western society has devolved to a place where it looks "normal" to be abnormal and dysfunction is beginning to be the norm.
So please, call me weird.

edit on 9-3-2011 by manna2 because: (no reason given)

I agree. Things have gone bad to the point that it is very hard to see even for some of the experts and specialists since they themselves are directly or indirectly part of the same society where it is 'normal' to be abnormal and dysfunctional. Partially the MSM is to be blamed along with education system which generally does not focus on the broader and international societies that exist which weaves same common web and aspires the same dreams as any average westerner. The way most of the other non-western societies are portrayed down is pathetic (most of the time) by MSM and TV in general.

Originally posted by hawaii50th

Originally posted by hp1229
Its funny to read some of the posts. People are still pointing fingers and blaming others. I still do not see a good post discussing why the women in the east are better than women in the west

No matter where in the world you go, there are good women and there are the not so good. It's the same for men, good and bad. In these times there are more bad than good, due to pride, vanity, arrogance, selfishness, lack of self respect and the respect for others, greed, lust, jealousy, gluttony in every form, lack of understanding of what is love, the list is long.

So, this discussion can go on for all eternity, (although I don't think we have that long), and it will never come to a conclusion. The only thing it comes to is, agreeing and disagreeing.

True. But only selected few see it this way. Majority of them do not even know that there is a problem and the society as a whole has some issues and flaws to be rectified. The aftermath and effects of such flaws are felt constantly in our daily lives. One has to read and watch the news and it is evident (Rape, Murder, Kidnapping, Violence, divorces, affairs, drugs, etc etc) are so common that its not even shocking anymore to read since they appear too common. The family valuee are diminishing when nobody is watching the home front.

I for one enjoy having a woman by my side who exhibits many of the classical women traits. While I am not against the feminist movement, I do hope that some women choose to live within the old gender roles. Fortunately, I have found a woman who enjoys those old roles. Of course, its not like the 1950's style, but has a modern twist to it. I find her more feminine than any woman I have been with thus far and I cant even express how much I enjoy it. In my opinion, I believe the old gender roles allow a family to function in a great manner. It allows children to always have a parent at home, especially when younger, and if done properly, can lead to a great moral and family oriented foundation. I grew up in a household where I was left home alone since I was six years old and both parents worked multiple jobs. While I turned out alright in the long run, I do no believe this is how a family should be run. Of course, this is not to say that a modern family cannot be successful and have the same moral foundations, but that I have found this way of life to be the most enjoyable for me.

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So it's NOT the CIA running the Women's Movement.

It's the COMMIES!!!

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by Yeah-Alright

 

I'm really not sure what you mean... It has taken women in England the best part of 1,000 years to reclaim some of the freedoms and respect they had in pre-Norman England,

I agree

and as such we can see a clear line that demonstrates the subjugation of women in the West. I for one welcome the return of a more equal society,

I welcome the equal society BUT NOT the feminazi 'All men are bastards' / 'every man is a potential rapist' attitude that has spread like a virus through western Europe and the US.
To explain this look at how now women act more like men and men more like women.
You can have a woman who is still effeminate but also equal, yet try explaining that to the controlled womens rights movement / feminists.

Men have been made into pathetic wretches more and more thanks to the combined assault on the masculine folksbody / society.
Am I alone in condeming the metrosexualisation of the male??

reply to post by WatchRider


I definitely dont agree with the "all men are bastards line of reasoning." And I do not think there is anything wrong with men being men. The only thing I would say is that men have always run a range of personality expression. Metrosexuality is not new. Look at the "dandies" of old.

Like there is no one right way for females to behave, we run the gamut from dainty spoiled princess, to nurturing earth mother, to wild hellion on horseback, there is no one way for men to be men either. Men run the range from half naked sweaty sword swinging muscled guys in loincloths, to nerdy intellectuals, to the average hardworking Joe, to metrosexuals.

Some of us like certain varieties better than others. Its just how it goes, and thats how nature or God designed it. Species are healthier and better when there is variation in the group. And people select and mate with and pass on the things that appeal to them. Its all good.

Whats not good is when people, male or female, hold themselves up as the official spokesperson for all humanity or for God or Nature and declare that all men or all women must be the way they feel is proper. If you think you have the right to declare all people should behave in ways that please you, you have issues. And if you cannot see that there is no one way to be male or female, you arent being realistic, you are living in a fantasy world.

Originally posted by soficrow
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

So it's NOT the CIA running the Women's Movement.

It's the COMMIES!!!

Laugh all you want. The data is out there. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of gender confusion without the communist party.

reply to post by Yeah-Alright


As a female having been on this beautiful earth for 55 years I would like to inject a few thoughts. Women aren't becoming less feminine__they are just increasingly beconing more goal oriented. When I was growing up most mothers were stay at home moms. Im also the youngest of 7 children our parents raised. The ever increasing cost of living has pushed women out of the homes and into the job market, while some people still viewed that men shoiuld be the sole provider for his family, in which case the new working woman felt she had to prove she was just as qualified to work as a man and that she would be an asset to the family by helping with expenses and in many cases had to fight to get the same pay as a male performing the same job. Women simply wanted equal rights and pay in comparison with the male population. So it's not so much a matter of women being less feminine or more aggressive__it is their striving for self goals in a world where man has been viewed as the dominent caregiver and final decision maker.

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Nice post Lois, and I might add that if guys had not considered women to be "chattels" at their disposal, creatures of sex to be exploited or domnated, women would not have felt the need to rise up. As it is, women do need to be appreciated for their gifts and contributions, whether it be as a stay at home mom, or a leader or pioneer in some field of their choice. Also men need to uphold the 40 % Divine feminine in their own being too. This does not mean they must become effeminent or wishy washy, it just means they have greater sensitivity to the feminine side of things. There has been a lot of talk about women of the East, but men of the East are often more receptive to the feminine aspect. However, there is no absolute for any culture.