Lack of feminine characteristics...

I have noticed that females in a traditional male-dominated society are much more feminine in their behaviour and mild so to speak. But in western societies, with what I have heard and seen from my own and other acquaintances' experiences, females are having more of ego-related issues and there you may find more instances of 'spoilt brats'. Now before someone jumps to conclusion about this comment, let me clarify that I am not advocating any pros of one kind of society over the other. Maybe it is because there is more freedom for females in the west and as human nature goes, they tend to take liberties of it.
This makes me wonder if as compared to past, there is a degradation of basic female characteristics, what it would be like in the future.
Well this is from a female's perspective who is comparatively new to living in a western society, I would like to know what do the males think about it. Are they fine with the fact that the females are becoming more aggressive, egotistical, money-minded and less 'traditional' in a way or there are those out there who still value those gentle qualities that in my personal opinion are very much valuable?!

I support the femminist movement. Society is controlled by men and its should be said that women should be able to act however the choose as should men. More feminine men and androgynous gender roles i think is important to society

There are no genes determining purely feminine or male characteristics. Men use to wear pink and purple as purple was a royal colour, now if a man wears purple he's labeled gay. Times change as do social norms. its natural, its a new method of thinking. There is nothing wrong with men being more feminine or women being more masculine or holding the same values. We are all the same and the sooner we learn this the sooner we can all get along.

Yeah, I think females in modern western society are definately becoming more confident and egocentric, i don't think it's got everything to do with being female though, i think if you oppress any group successfully for long enough, they will either become timid, or rebel. I am of the firm beleif that we are all potentially the same regardless of race, sex or ability, the only thing that seperates us is how we choose to act. But i don't like the way things are going, i am male, and now it seems that there isn't a single female on earth who still beleives in positive values, and that get's me really upset. I'm sure i am very wrong about that but it's how i feel..

Anyway, it's not people being assertive that i have a problem with, it's when people disrespect themselves and each-other by acting like animals.

reply to post by Xiamara


Did you read her post thoroughly? She said she's a female.

The corporate world is a competitive place, men can be brotherly and still compete aggressivley, women cannot compete without being against each other, its just nature. If women do not want to have children, then thier bodys release a different set of chemicals, they can be sexy as much as they like, but they will lose the part of their natural soul that indicates a female that is ready to have offspring. Many women almost abhore the idea of being a housewife, and are brainwashed to think that it is oppression, however, women who are real women, want to have children, want to nurture them and cook for them, and want to spend as much time with them when they are young, they want to stay at home. If I asked my mother, who is almost 60 years old and still working, if she would rather be a stay at home mum, then she would say yes. The corporate, high-earning life is good, however, when women get older, and they do not have children when they are young, then basically, it goes against what we are naturally inclined to do from an evolutionary viewpoint. In essence, the feminist movement is a defeminisation and an emasculation of soceity. They want us to be equal and the same, that is, not male, not female, machines, and in the future we will have babies in test-tubes....

Don't doubt yourself. You are absolute correct in your asessment. Ever since the feminist movement, women here in the states have turned their back on femininity, humilty, and grace and have turned into masculine, aggressive, and out of control women who aim to dominate men in every field and aspect of life. This is why women complain of the shortage of the few good men that are left in this country. They go to other countries to find women that are still feminine and humble. No one wants American women because they have got their values f-ed up. They want to be equal in relationships and pay their own bills but yet want a strong and masculine man to take care of them. They pass over the good shy guys for the bad ones. They demonize men at every chance they get and yet complain that they want the perfect man. A lot of females dress slutty and whorish nowadays because they want to be "liberated" and "sexy" but at the same time, want a man to respect them. They give themselves an appointed time when they will have sex with a man. They call it "giving it up" these days. And they will wait until a specific amount of dates to decide to give themselves to a man that has no plans to show them their value to him by marrying her. The feminist movement has completely destroyed American women and their values. Back in the days it didn't take being 30 years old to have some class. Now, you'll be hard pressed to find a female that has respect for herself, men, and others as well.
It's a sick process. I'm not wifing up any female here in the states because females here don't value their man and have no respect for them either. I'm the head of my household and i'll be damned if I take a backseat and let you run things.


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Women in the Western society are more equal to man.

In my early life, growing up in the late 70's and early 80's women were still seen as the one to stay at home to look after the kids, cook, clean, do the shopping and take care of her husband when he returned from work. The family was run by the husband, making decisons on financial matters and important things that effect the family unit.

Great for the husband, as he was seen as in charge. Not great for the woman, as she had to live a life that was expected of her by pressures of society.

Women today, have more choice, they don't have to conform.

Women, aren't stupid, nieve and weak, that was the attitude of many men towards women not so long ago.

I'm not exactly sure what you are defining as traditional feminine characteristics, could you clarify that I wonder?
I would usually think that someone using that phrase was using it to mean, quiet, mouse like, sit in the corner darn socks and don't talk back, but thats not what I'm getting from your post so I'm not sure.

My grandmother when she was young held down a job, raised a family and could reduce most men to a quivering wreck with one lash of her sharp tongue, I guess non of those things would be considered particularly feminine but she was poor and thats how it had to be.

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Ever since the feminist movement, women here in the states have turned their back on femininity, humilty, and grace and have turned into masculine, aggressive, and out of control women who aim to dominate men in every field and aspect of life

I don't know what women you know, the women of today are feminine, show humility and grace.

Women can be aggresive, they always have been able to be.

As for wanting to domnate men, are you serious?

Yes there are some, very few, man hating women out there, the same could be said for some men of women. A little of your attitide points to that.

reply to post by Yeah-Alright


I'm really not sure what you mean... It has taken women in England the best part of 1,000 years to reclaim some of the freedoms and respect they had in pre-Norman England, and as such we can see a clear line that demonstrates the subjugation of women in the West. I for one welcome the return of a more equal society,

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I know what you mean. But I have also noticed physical changes, and not just with women becoming more butch but also men becoming more feminine. I think this may be because of the large variety of gender bender chemicals found in western foods especially in places like America, western countries that don't have so much of these chemical (like certain parts of Europe) don't seem to have as much problems.

I'm wondering if these chemicals could also be causing psychological changes as well as just the physical. And if these chemical effects, combined with the societal factors (such as feminist movements and metro-sexual new age guy etc. etc.) is exacerbating the changes.

Personally im all for embracing the differences/opposites of the sexes, rather than merging them into a common middle ground all just for the sake of equality. But, in general I think we should always cherish diversity. This doesn't mean I condone any oppression, but rather that we should be careful not to destroy the sexualities just because we cant get them to effectively complement each other in synthesis of teamwork.

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I think it's more to do with social evolution.

We don;'t have survival of the fittest in modern societies.

It's a natural progression of civilisation.

Males, don't need to be or act so aggresive. They adapt to their surroundings. Now if a SHTF situation happened, where we were lawless, then we would take a step back. The 'traditional' roles of man and women would go back to what they were to a certain degree.

It would be a step backwards though.

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My grandmother when she was young held down a job, raised a family and could reduce most men to a quivering wreck with one lash of her sharp tongue

Lol Dave, that sounds like by grandmother, though she was known to use her fists against the men too. She owned the street she lived in. A woman to be feared but had her soft side.

Originally posted by Yeah-Alright
I have noticed that females in a traditional male-dominated society are much more feminine in their behaviour and mild so to speak. But in western societies, with what I have heard and seen from my own and other acquaintances' experiences, females are having more of ego-related issues and there you may find more instances of 'spoilt brats'. Now before someone jumps to conclusion about this comment, let me clarify that I am not advocating any pros of one kind of society over the other. Maybe it is because there is more freedom for females in the west and as human nature goes, they tend to take liberties of it.
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I'm not a male, in the traditional sense. So my opinion should have little value.

Generally, asian females are much more reserved. I find that attractive. I think that males want to protect females when they think the females might need it. For some males it's desired. But asians, male or female, seem more polite anyway so it's a mute point. I think that's partly because they're foreigners (exchange students). BUT i think it's unattractive when a female acts dumb. I think ti's attractive when they're intelligent and have an interest in science. Not just a passing interest, but a life long interest that could lead to a hobby or a career. However, I think initiative is attractive in a non-sexual way so it helps anyone from anywhere with any type of sexual orientation.

I'd have to agree somewhat. But .... that's not to say that females here in america aren't attractive. Don't make me laugh. They definitely are. Don't think for a second that there're not plenty of females that're female in the traditional sense, just like there're many men that're men in the traditional sense. I don't think ti's wise to generalize because america has a lot of people and there're distinct differences between different groups of states.

And you know.. no mattter how much I say this the fact is females are females and I"m going to find them attractive if they're: a) healthy or mostly healthy b) try to keep care of themselves. It's not like I have to try. No matter what your brain says, the inner monkey animal will usually win.

I'm mostly talking through my a** right now. I don't want to be a fool :/

reply to post by Xiamara


Loose yourself in it. Life is about demons. Do you fight the fight? Sincere. Compassion, humble.

Women are confident while they shouldn't. They even don't like it themselves so it won't last long before they fall on the good road again.

To know me is to love me.

Sooo, all good again

There is something to be said for "feminine characteristics" they carry a power of their own.

I think what we are seeing is less of a womans disrespect for a man, or a mans disrespect for a woman and more of a general disrespectful, cut-throat, selfish society as a whole.

Women have always had strengths that men cannot claim, a certain degree of restraint, stamina and compassion. I actually think we are losing some of this in the afore mentioned social conditions. There are alot of women out there who are not filling their natural role, I have nothing against their choices but feel that this is one of the causes of our current social conditions.

Men also, are changing. They are becoming more emotional. Some are very effeminate, especially under 20 year olds.

These are just my opinions and observations and are by no means all encompassing.

reply to post by mutantgenius


Stamina in the wrong fields and social condition they've purposely set wrong for themselves. No they aren't complicated.. = naysaying smiley

reply to post by etherical waterwave


I don't understand what you are trying to say. Women have immense stamina. I'd like to see a man carry a child for 9 months, give birth to it and then tend to it 24/7 for two years and then nurture it, feed it, clothe it, clean up after it for the next 15 years.

Originally posted by mutantgenius
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I tend to it 24/7 for years and then nurture it, feed it, clothe it, clean up after it for the next 15 years.

That's what you used to do with the husband, though that is a lifetime commitment.