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Originally posted by backinblack
BTW, your talk of altitudes is mere speculation on your part..
Wind is surely the most important. It may cause irregular coverage of the treated plants and may cause the spray or dust to drift beyond the treated area. The amount of loss by drift will not depend on the wind velocity alone, however. Size of the drops and altitude of flight also affect the loss. For example, in a wind of I mile an hour, a 200-micron drop released 10 feet above the ground will drift about 6 feet. But if the drop is released in a 10-mile-an hour wind from an altitude of 50 feet it will be carried about 300 feet. Under the same conditions, a 20-micron drop will travel some 3.5 miles. Aside from reducing the amount of insecticide reaching the insects, drift may cause most of the material to strike the plant horizontally. That may result in an uneven distribution on the foliage of plants or trees.
The effectiveness of geoengineering is strongly dependent on the type or particle and the particle size deployed. Most studies of geoengineering focus on the release of SO2 or H2S gas into the stratosphere where over time (~1 month), they are converted to condensable H2SO4. Recent work by Pierce et al has shown that directly emitting H2SO4 allows better control of particle size6 and therefore more effective reflection of incoming flux. For the purposes of this study, we have assumed the geoengineering payload is a liquid with a density of 1000 kg/m3 (In gas pipe analysis, a density of 1.22 kg/m^3 is assumed), emitted as a vapor. The larger geoengineering particles, the faster they settle out of the atmosphere. If they are too small, they do not effectively scatter incoming solar flux. The peak scattering effectiveness of H2SO4 aerosols is about 0.2 microns (Mie theory). To achieve the proper particle size, the vapor must be emitted at a rate that prevents particles from coagulating into large particles. Analysis7 has shown that a release rate of 0.1 to 0.003 kilograms per meter travelled by the aircraft limits coagulation. For the purposes of this study, concepts of operations are designed around a release rate of 0.03kg/m. However, in some cases higher rates are required due to limitations on airplane range or dispersal method.
Originally posted by backinblack
As many have pointed out, it's very hard to determine altitude from the ground..
The TwO-Moment Aerosol Sectional (TOMAS) microphysics package was developed for implementation into GEOS-Chem at Carnegie-Mellon University. Using a moving sectional and moment-based approach, TOMAS tracks two independent moments (number and mass) of the aerosol size distribution for 30 size bins. It also contains codes to simulate nucleation, condensation, and coagulation processes. The aerosol species that are considered with 30-bin size resolution are sulfate, sea-salt, OC, EC, and dust.
TOMAS is a simulation type 3 and utilizes 310 tracers. Each aerosol species requires 30 tracers for the 30 bin size resolution. Here is the (abbreviated) default setup in input.geos (see run.Tomas directory):
Tracer # Description
40 H2SO4
41-70 Number
71-100 Sulfate
101-130 Sea-salt
131-160 Hydrophilic EC
161-190 Hydrophobic EC
191-210 Hydrophilic OC
211-240 Hydrophobic OC
241-271 Mineral dust
271-310 Aerosol water
Originally posted by pianopraze
I can't understand why they claim no one is spraying when people know they are spraying... here is a weatherman who is former military showing it on the radar and describing his experience in the military (and note he specifies aluminum):
See all these pesky little rules, and minute details destroy the entire chemtrail theory.
Originally posted by backinblack
BS...Your FIRST post was off topic because you asked questions that were not relevant to the video in question..
You later admitted you didn't even watch all of the video..
Get off your high horse and stop blaming me or others for your biased attitude.!!!!!!!!
US Weather minima for VFR flight outside Controlled Airspace (within Class E Airspace)
At or above 10,000 ft. MSL
5 statute miles visibility, 1 statute mile horizontally from clouds, 1000ft above and below clouds
Below 10,000 ft. MSL
3 statute miles visibility, 2000 ft. horizontally from clouds, 1000ft above and 500 ft below clouds
US Weather minima for VFR flight in Class C and D airspace
3 statue miles visibility, 2000 ft. horizontally from clouds, 1000ft above and 500 ft below clouds
Originally posted by Phage
The research is being done with computer models.
The effectiveness of geoengineering is strongly dependent on the type or particle and the particle size deployed. Most studies of geoengineering focus on the release of SO2 or H2S gas into the stratosphere where over time (~1 month), they are converted to condensable H2SO4. Recent work by Pierce et al has shown that directly emitting H2SO4 allows better control of particle size6 and therefore more effective reflection of incoming flux. For the purposes of this study, we have assumed the geoengineering payload is a liquid with a density of 1000 kg/m3 (In gas pipe analysis, a density of 1.22 kg/m^3 is assumed), emitted as a vapor. The larger geoengineering particles, the faster they settle out of the atmosphere. If they are too small, they do not effectively scatter incoming solar flux. The peak scattering effectiveness of H2SO4 aerosols is about 0.2 microns
Wigley calculates the impact of injecting sulfate particles, or aerosols, every one to four years into the stratosphere in amounts equal to those lofted by the volcanic eruption of Mt. Pintabuto in 1991. If found to be environmentally and technologically viable, such injections could provide a "grace period" of up to 20 years before major cutbacks in greenhouse gas emissions would be required, he concludes.
Originally posted by defcon5
There is still no spraying going on, you just don’t understand what chaff is.
Take some aluminum foil cut it into strips about 1/8 wide and about 6 inches long. Take a few thousand of these and put them into an airgun, then shoot them into the air like confetti and you will have something akin to chaff.
It only looks big on radar, its not covering anywhere that amount of sky. Its not sprayed, it does not make a cloud, and you are certainly not going to inhale it without a Herculean effort on your part.
There are two types of chaff, aluminum foil and aluminum-coated glass fibers. The foil type is no longer manufactured, although it remains in the inventory and is used primarily by B-52 bombers. Both types are cut into dipoles ranging in length from 0.3 to over 2.0 inches. They are made as small and light as possible so they will remain in the air long enough to confuse enemy radar. The aluminum foil dipoles are 0.45 mils (0.00045 inches) thick and 6 to 8 mils wide. The glass fiber dipoles are generally 1 mil (25.4 microns) in diameter, including the aluminum coating which is 0.12 f 0.06 mils thick. A new superfine glass fiber chaff is being manufactured that is 0.7 mil (17.8 microns) in diameter.
Chemtrails:GAO report admits "chaff"
Lab report reveals much more
Last May a family in Iowa contacted the office of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) to report the constant criss-crossing of "chemtrails" in the sky above their neighborhood. They received back from the senator’s office a General Accounting Office (GAO) report on "military chaff" and the material safety data sheet for aluminum-coated fiberglass fibers being spread—seven days a week for several hours each day—in the skies above their home.
The chaff is spread by pilots learning how to mask planes or send false radar images. It was reported that the military also has lead-based chaff, but that it is not being used at this time. Chaff was used by the military in Europe in WWII and, according to the GAO, had been used in training here at home since the 50s.
Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed.
GAO noted that: (1) chaff is used worldwide in conjunction with military
training, testing, and other assigned missions
The continuous stream technique, called saturation chaff, may be used by aircraft to cover a large area
Once chaff reaches the ground, it breaks down into particles small enough to inhale. Though military spokespeople insist that chaff is not harmful, the GAO report concluded that health effects are unknown and more studies are needed.
Regardless, some members of this family are very sick. On May 23, after a hard rain the day before, they a noticed glittering substance and a pinkish-colored powder substance on the roof of their house. They then noticed the glittering substance on many surfaces, even the dashboard of the family car. Both substances were collected and sent to a lab for analysis.
Among the substances found to be in the samples were several that should simply not be there:
6 bacteria, including anthrax and pneumonia
9 chemicals including acetylcholine chloride
26 heavy metals including arsenic, gold, lead,mercury, silver, uranium and zinc
4 molds and fungi
7 viruses
2 cancers
2 vaccines
2 sedatives
Over the last several months, The IO has received a significant increase in chemtrail-related calls and letters. Most report a dramatic increase in chemtrail "spraying" activity in their areas; some are reporting the development of chronic flu-like symptoms, chronic fatigue and body aches that they have never before experienced.
See all these pesky little rules, and minute details destroy the entire chemtrail theory.
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
You seriously think the people behind such a program are interested in 'playing by the rules'?