What the Bible teaches about homosexuality.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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God didn't write the bible..... that is a fact if nothing else. It doesn't matter who wrote it! WHO CARES!!

Really? The book is prophetic, meaning only an entity that exists outside the spacetime dimension could have authored it. The author is the Holy Spirit, the people writing the books only held the pens.

Too bad prophets don't exist nor have they ever....the book has good moral value, but it was not written by God. Men inspired by God doesn't mean God, theres been men who were "inspired" by God that have committed the most horrible attrocities all through out our history....

IF you think God wrote this book, you're only fooling yourself....

Oh, one more thing. I also will have to disagree with you about the Bible being a good moral book. The main theme throughout the book is the fallen nature of the human race, its need for a savior, and the coming of that savior. If you do not believe that God inspired this message in the book, then it is riddled with lies. How could you believe any of it at that point.

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Glad to see someone clear up the perversions of translation.
Though many miscommunications are unintentional, they distort our view of what was said. If you tell yourself something for long enough, it seems true! Anyways, S&F CLPrime

This isn't about whether God loves his creations.
His creations are many but we don't have sex with them.
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So does anyone else feel like they are being groomed in this thread?

Second line

I dont understand why religion has to stick its massive nose into people's private life. If adults are consenting there shouldnt be a problem. Its always the government or religion. Doesnt everyone get tired of these two anarchic establishments dictating everything little detail. How can we ever be free and creative.

Originally posted by Swanseadog
reply to post by ArchIlluminatus

 

We are all children of god and it is gods will that some of us will be homosexuals. Its just the way things are. God created us all including homosexuals. Jesus hung around with a bunch of men and some of the things he said to them was very homoerotic.

For one Christ was celibate. No where did he say he ever had sex or was in a relationship with anyone. He was sinless. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." -2 Corinthians 5:21

2nd saying God created homosexuals is ignorant. The Bible condemns homosexuality as a sin. Homosexuals are demoniacally possessed and under the influence of Satan. God doesn't create sin in people Satan does.

Originally posted by Dwigt

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by Dwigt
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I will respectfully disagree with you again. I do believe that the books of the Bible were written by God through men. Now, I will give you this, if you do not believe in the God that I do, I can see why you do not think this. However, those that claim to believe in the God of the Bible, the God of the Jews, believe that he penned the words. Well, most of us do. I am not convinced that the Bible consists of every book that God has written, but that is another debate.

I try to not put God in a box. If I believe that God created everything around me, how could I doubt that he could make sure the whole of his message be preserved though time. There are many truths in the Bible that can prove this, again, at least I believe that. The Bible knew that the world was round well before the common man knew this. It knew that the earth was not the center of the universe. I could go on and on. I guess what I am getting at is that if man wrote the Bible of his own cognition, how would he have known those things. How would so many different people write of the same things that were regionally separated and over a time span of hundreds and hundreds of years?

Again, I will give you this, if you do not believe what I believe, we will disagree and that is fine. It is very clear in my belief that not everyone will come to know/believe what I do. God gave us free will for a reason and I am really not trying to be a smart ass.

i appreciate what your saying.....and no i don't believe in the God in the bible, that is not God. God isn't a being in the clouds waiting to spike a lightning bolt at me if i sin. Sin in general is a lie, you are free to do whatever you like in this life. Regardless, Karma will correct you if its needed.....You can murder and rape, lie and "sin" as much as you like with little reprecussions....but again your Karma you create will aways catch up to you in this life or the next.

So we can agree to disagree, but realize there is only one God...The system that was created on earth is perfect which is why God doesn't intervien in human affairs....Karma will teach you what you need to learn...


The people who wrote the bible...did...not...know...God, aside from one man which was Christ.

Okay, I have to get a few things straight. You don't believe in the same God I do, the God of the Bible. However, you still believe that my God is a being in the clouds waiting to spike lightning bolts in sinners. Well, I see that you have been taught by a Biblical scholar, so you know your stuff, but where on earth did this come from? You talk about fairy tales being more accurate than the Bible, but this little scenario sounds like a fairy tale from hell! If your teacher knew what he was teaching, you would know that God considers us ALL sinners. In an effort to not come across as a smart ass, I will say you were joking about the lighting bolts, but does that still mean we should all be dead right now? According to the Bible I know, there has never been a full human on earth that was void of sin.

Secondly, I just want to get it straight. You believe that what I believe is silly, but you believe in Karma?

Lets start by saying your God and my God are one and the same, we just have a different understanding. Yes i was joking about the lightning bolt though you'd be supprized at how many believe in just that! I didn't say Fairy tales are more accurate then the bible, i said the bible consists of moral value and fiction... The man that taught me the lessons of the bible (although slightly delusional) knows every word inside and out, hes litterally spent 50+ years of his life living by Gods exact words (so to speak) as quoted in the bible....and again even though his knowledge of the book is far beyond anything anyone knows (as far as i've found) He still judges others which is perhaps his one fault....

Yes we are all born into sin, but again you have to understand the meaning of this.... We are born into sin because of the Karma we accumulate over your previous lives.... When you are born the memories of your previous lives are hidden from you.....Thus you start your learning over again with whatever Karmic energies you've accumulated comming to you wether it be good or bad....

I don't think what you believe is silly... but your understanding of God comes from the book that was written by man. Everything you need to know about God you already know in your heart. We all know whats right and whats wrong but we chose to deny our conscience and walk our own path, which is what free will is about. You're free to sin as you wish, but again....Karma will catch up to you in this life or the next...

I had bought snacks, cookies and candy, on a recent trip to the store with my grandson. I told my grandson not to eat the cookie in the car. I looked in the rear-view mirror a few minutes later and he was eating a candy bar. He said, "What? You didn't say not to eat the candy in the car." You've gone to much work to do here just what my grandson did with the candy bar. Even though he pretended to misunderstand, we knew he knew. God, in His Word, said, it is wrong for a man to lie with another man and that's what He meant.

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Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by hawaii50th
You don't even believe Paul, what you talk'en about anyway, what kind of Christian are you, the selective type?

I have said often enough, I am not a christian. I am merely a follower of Christ. He is within me as he is with the father. I do not need a label for I follow no one else but the father.

Originally posted by hawaii50th
You go half way with the Word, and you preach love, well you got some of it right at least I guess.
You one strange cookie, you said you were in the Marines, were you ever in live action? Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, or some other?

Love is the whole of the Law my friend. Christ told you, Love one another.

I never saw any combat, in that I was blessed. I did a tour to Djibouti, Africa which counted as a Combat tour, but I never took fire nor returned it. This is not to say I have not seen the horrible effects of Man waging war on each other.

With Love,

Your Brother

If you are a follower of Christ than that makes you a Christian, a Christian is a Christ follower that's what Christian means or Follower of Christ either way. But if you deny the word of God in certain areas or only pick the apostles that you like and disregard the ones you don't like than you can't truly be a Christian. You either accept it all or you don't.

2 Timothy 3:14-17 (King James Version) 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

What it logically comes down to is this, plain and simple.

Either you believe the Bible is the unerring word of God that it states it is, or you do not.

Either you try to live your life to suit the way God says we should in the Bible, or you do not. It is up to you and you alone. Personally, I think it is very obvious how many problems in life will be avoided by living a Biblical lifestyle. Gee, maybe God knew what He was talking about.

The thing that offends me the most is the people who feel they have the right to twist God's word around to suit their lifestyle, instead of twisting their lifestyle around to suit what the Bible says.

The Bible says that ministers, etc. who do that and lead people astray will have an especially harsh judgement to deal with someday.

God hates sin, not the sinner. Christians should be the same way.

It's up to you which path you choose.

What it comes down to is that someday, each and every one of us will have to stand before God and account for our lives.

There will be no lawyers present. No ACLU. No supreme court. Just you and God.

What it comes down to, whether you like it or not and no matter what you say and how stubborn you are, is that HIS opinion is the only one that will matter.

Eternity is a heck of a lot longer than 80 or 90 years.

I challenge anyone to find fault in this mans teachings....

Aside from the one issue, i've never found his lessons to be wrong...

elijahtheprophet.net...

But again, he is no prophet.....prophets don't exist....

We have to remember that a lot of the passages are relevant to the time they were written and the culture, and a lot can also be open to misinterpretation, take the tale of Sodom and Gomorrah. Is the bible talking about homosexual behavior or male rape, it can be either way.

Geezus kryste...who flippin' cares!? If you are one who takes the bible literally, then frankly you're a moron. If you look to the lessons and teaching of the bible as a moral compass, then you are basing your own morality on someone else's moral identity over 2000 years ago. Personally, I like to read books and think about teachings from people who have actually lived in the same century as myself, because they seem to more directly relate to me and my situation. This is a meaningless argument and colossal waste of time. Why don't you concentrate on things that actually matter? If the bible read that "God" had commanded so-and-so to rape and pillage, would that make it morally right? If "God" said that he only likes Ford and Chevy sucks, would that make every Christian buy a Ford? This is ridiculous!!

does that mean my gay rabbit will go to hell...

kx

The bible teaches a ton of ridiculous things...so its opinion about homosexuality are 100% unimportant

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One quick point...it's amusing that you omit the part where Lot offers to let the crowd of men and boys...who by the way,wanted to kill the foriegners,not have sex with them..(It is a sin to lie when quoting the bible!)...but as I was saying you've left out the part about Lot offering to allow this crowd of men and boys to rape his virgin daughters...if they'll only leave his guests alone....

Originally posted by hawaii50th
If you are a follower of Christ than that makes you a Christian, a Christian is a Christ follower that's what Christian means or Follower of Christ either way. But if you deny the word of God in certain areas or only pick the apostles that you like and disregard the ones you don't like than you can't truly be a Christian. You either accept it all or you don't.

This is the difference between most Christians and I. I follow Christ not an apostle. Christ told you where to find him. He is within you, not some book. Yes the Apostles were inspired by God. But their testimony is theirs, and it deviates ever so slightly from the Master's teaching. His teaching was to do, not to preach.

Follow an apostle all you want. I follow Christ. I am not a Christian because that name has become offensive between my friends, and Christ's teachings. So, I teach his lessons by being them and without needing the recognition of others who do not. As long as the name Christian is offensive to others, as long as others do not see the glory that IS Christ in his "followers", then I do not need to call myself one.

Originally posted by hawaii50th
2 Timothy 3:14-17 (King James Version) 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

We have already addressed this scripture. You do not agree. That is fine. Share your message, and I will share mine. Those that agree with me, who hear the voice of the master within, they will know the truth I share. If other's find your words to be true, they will listen to you.

Christ never condemned anyone, and neither should you.
Christ loved everyone, and so should you.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by nivekronnoco
reply to post by ArchIlluminatus

 

One quick point...it's amusing that you omit the part where Lot offers to let the crowd of men and boys...who by the way,wanted to kill the foriegners,not have sex with them..(It is a sin to lie when quoting the bible!)...but as I was saying you've left out the part about Lot offering to allow this crowd of men and boys to rape his virgin daughters...if they'll only leave his guests alone....

Here is your answer

Okay, well this story takes place in Genesis 19 where the angels come to Sodom—and these are angels. Lot invited them into his home. It was a middle eastern custom that when you invited someone to your home, you would lay down your life and surrender all of your goods, and your whole family would die before you would allow them to be harmed. In other words, you agreed to put your life on the line to protect people that were within your home.

You notice, not only did it happen here in Genesis, you read the book of Judges and some men surrounded a home in the tribe of Benjamin and they sent out the wife rather than surrender the guest. And so for us it may seem strange. Incidentally, Lot did not give his daughters to the men of the city. He offered, but the angels ended up striking them with blindness and Lot’s daughters were spared and delivered from the city when Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed.

www.amazingfacts.org...

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CHRISTIAN

1
a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

www.merriam-webster.com...

Originally posted by ArchIlluminatus
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CHRISTIAN

1
a : one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ

www.merriam-webster.com...

I'm pretty sure that excludes anybody who wishes not to be called one. Why are you so hung up on this?