What the Bible teaches about homosexuality.

Whoever reads the English version of the Bible, or should I say King James, you are reading the wrong book. King James participated in plenty of homosexual activities, and did not know of the scriptures he had translated. The words that describe what homosexuality is aren't correctly translated. The people who translated the books didn't understand the dialect that used by the Jews and such in that specific region in that specific time period. A lot of what you read is not what was actually written.

By the way, it's not the fact that God doesn't want guys to do each other, it's more the fact that when in Sodom, they used gay sex as a means to dominate and degrade the status of a man to that of a womans. A man, in God's vision, IS NOT A WOMAN, thus why it was a sin. ONLY IN THAT PART OF HISTORY.

If any of you guys who claim to be christian have never talked to someone who has their doctors in religion, you don't know a thing about your own religion.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What kinda answer is that??? What are you trying to tell me here?

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the simple fact is that this post does nothing to "clear up the debate." there is no debate over whether or not what you posted is or is not in the bible; they're there, we already knew that. the debate is over whether or not these sparse, open ended quotes are enough for people to make active opposition to homosexuality a part of their daily lives. if there was a quote from jesus himself or if one of the commandments clearly stated that it was against god's law i would understand a little more and perhaps take pity on the misguided homophobes who use bits and pieces of their bible to justify the hatred and bigotry that exists in their heart. these few vague excerpts from a book with a thousand pages isn't enough to show us that jesus wants us to gay-bash. if you think that the bible says that being gay is wrong, that's fine, but it shouldn't change the way you treat gay people. You are supposed to love your neighbor as you love yourself and put others first. it's not our job to enforce god's laws or perceived will; it does that on its own just fine.

Originally posted by ArchIlluminatus
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Um, do you read the Urantia Book? Because some of the language you use seems to sound like that blasphemous book. Please tell me you don't believe that 'automatic writing' book.

Hah! The bible you read is a product of "automatic writing". The "holy spirit" or whatever you want to call it charged the authors of the bible to pen the word of God. According to most Christians, anyway. That is by definition "automatic writing".

Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25). There are a number of reasons why He did so.

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

The combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28 “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.” This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15-17). But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms “that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.”7

Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman's role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is an inspiring role model

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Its not "automatic writing" its their life and testimony of what they experienced. When you see what the spirit truly is we are nothing but a timeless observer, corrupted with sin, Jesus was the only one that was, as it says blameless before the father.

The spirit is magnificently complex but also in a way were its simple, there is no coincendce its like the machine of God his design.

Just imagine if we all judged all of us as worthy of Heaven, and set about building it.

If we believed our God is all Loving, shouldn't we represent that in our own thoughts and actions.

With Love,

Your Brother

Originally posted by Soldier of God
Genesis also teaches that God instituted and designed marriage between a man and a woman (Genesis 2:18-25). There are a number of reasons why He did so.

The complementary structure of the male and female anatomy is obviously designed for the normal husband-wife relationships. Clearly, design in human biology supports heterosexuality and contradicts homosexuality.

The combination of male and female enables man (and the animals) to produce and nurture offspring as commanded in Genesis 1:28 “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth.” This command is repeated to Noah after the Flood (Genesis 8:15-17). But procreation is not the only reason God made humans as sexual beings. The BUWA report affirms “that sexual intimacy between husband and wife is good, and is intended by God for bonding, pleasure and procreation.”7

Thirdly, God gave man and woman complementary roles in order to strengthen the family unit. Woman was to be the helper that man needed (Genesis 2:18). However, the woman's role as the helpmate is certainly not an inferior one. The enterprising God-fearing woman in Proverbs 31:10-31 is an inspiring role model

Our testicles are too big for us to be with just one other person for our whole lives, and I mean our as in the entire human specie. If you look at the sexual behavior of Chimps and Gorillas, you'll see the former is very permiscous, (wow, specllcheck can't even find the word I'm trying to spell) and the latter is hardly ever aroused. Chimps testis are the largest while Gorillas have the smallest. Humans are in the middle. The amount of testosterone we receive from our testis does not allow most of us to remain happily married for the rest of our lives.

If people weren't supposed to be having gay sex, it wouldn't happen. Also, almost all humans are bisexual. Go read up on sexual history before you start talking about sex.

And yes, woman are inferior to men in God's eyes. That's why it says Man was created in God's vision, and women were created from man. Thus, going back to my earlier post about exactly why it's a sin for those in Sodom to degrade the status of a man to a womans' status.

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The ultimate force behind it is love. The ultimate love that was him sacrificing himself on the cross for mankind's sins. The perfect image of greatness godliness because he was the only one that was. Even before the foundations of all these things. To fufill each ones destiny.

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
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Its not "automatic writing" its their life and testimony of what they experienced. When you see what the spirit truly is we are nothing but a timeless observer, corrupted with sin, Jesus was the only one that was, as it says blameless before the father.

The spirit is magnificently complex but also in a way were its simple, there is no coincendce its like the machine of God his design.

And none of that is backed up by objective evidence

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Its not "automatic writing" its their life and testimony of what they experienced. When you see what the spirit truly is we are nothing but a timeless observer, corrupted with sin, Jesus was the only one that was, as it says blameless before the father.

The spirit is magnificently complex but also in a way were its simple, there is no coincendce its like the machine of God his design.

If it's not automatic writing inspired by the Holy Spirit and it is, instead (as you say), individual and personal testimonies of people throughout history then... what makes any of those narratives have any supernatural significance?

Why would those books that King James settled on have any more authority to you than any other book written regarding God?

Originally posted by ArchIlluminatus

Originally posted by MentorsRiddle
I listened to your links.

But, it's not true.

He is only a man and is misunderstanding the faith.

Men are prone to folly.

You're going to have to do better than that. Quote sources. Just saying 'it's not true' doesn't make it so. Back up your statement.

How about this:

Holy books were written by humans. There is no proof god or 'a' god exists. People are following stories like sheeps and have been for hundreds and hundreds of years and not questioning the origins of why the books exist and how they came to be.

Saying, "it's not true" may not be good enough but stating the above should be. Anyone is welcome to their own beliefs but they ought not to impose them on anyone else but themselves.

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Sure if you wanna call it that. But it says it is freely availible knowledge. To know it is to truly seek it. Knock and the door shall be answered, The truth undefiled. The deep things of God.


To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,


But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

Fact is, none of the religious texts (Christian/Hindu/Muslim/etc) are based on objective evidence...which makes them utter worthless when it comes to making any policies regarding stuff like homosexuality.

I want laws/policies based on RATIONALITY and LOGIC...not blind belief without any objective evidence backing it up.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Its more like beyond belief.

reply to post by EnigmaticDill


What you're saying is the same as saying "you need to believe to believe". That's ridiculous!! People should base their belief on objective evidence, and if they don't, they shouldn't judge other people (such as homosexuals) based on their irrational beliefs.

reply to post by MrXYZ


Really its when your time comes to, ultimately you reap what you sow not just physically. But I will tell you this that it is literal when it says that God is righteous. Theres a reason he sits on the throne. And theres only one way that sin is passed you are dead to it. But alive in the spirit.


He transcended the phyical. And I saw and knew what it meant. Thats the incredible ubelievable unfathomable truth but yet you just know it and your but a child before God. I was in tears at the magnificence.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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What you're saying is the same as saying "you need to believe to believe". That's ridiculous!! People should base their belief on objective evidence, and if they don't, they shouldn't judge other people (such as homosexuals) based on their irrational beliefs.

I won't pretend to completely understand "faith" but I respect it enough to know it is not synonymous with "blind belief". I also can't tell my blues from blacks all that well but I don't try to convince the rest of you that all blue things are black.

Sometimes it is okay to allow people their beliefs.

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
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Really its when your time comes to, ultimately you reap what you sow not just physically. But I will tell you this that it is literal when it says that God is righteous. Theres a reason he sits on the throne. And theres only one way that sin is passed you are dead to it. But alive in the spirit.


He transcended the phyical. And I saw and knew what it meant. Thats the incredible ubelievable unfathomable truth but yet you just know it and your but a child before God. I was in tears at the magnificence.

Again...what's your objective evidence for any of this???

You're just repeating whatever some preacher told you like a mindless drone. You make outrageous claims, but don't even bother presenting objective evidence as backup.

We live in the 21st century, and hogwash like that is holding us back...and it's sad that people still use irrational beliefs to justify policies and laws that infringe on the freedom of others, in this case homosexuals.

That's why in my first post I said the bible is utter worthless when it comes to real life policies that affect other people. Believe whatever you want, as long as it doesn't influence others that couldn't care less about your irrational beliefs.