What the Bible teaches about homosexuality.

Why do people continuously use the bible as some sort of proof that God doesn't like homosexuality. The bible also teaches us that if your wife cheats on you, we should throw stones at them until they're dead.

This book was written in a time intolerance and fear... Anything that didn't adhear to whatever governing body said was correct was immediatly considered herecy, for which you could be executed for...

These people that wrote the bible did not understand God, they understood mans laws. And as anyone clearly knows...mans laws are unjust, usually unfair....and have nothing to do with God what so ever...

The fact is God created all men equal...Gay or physically, mentally impared, blind, deformed....it doesn't matter...WE ARE ALL EQUAL! Same sex relations happen in all forms of nature, from insects all the way up the chain, its completely natural...some people are born different then the rest, its not a sin to be different its a blessing.

The Bible promotes hatred of your fellow man....not because it was written by an intolerant God, but because it was written by men who were greedy, and full of hate!

Do you honestly think Jesus hated anyone.... Even if you can find an example of him saying " i don't like gays" i garentee it was a rewrite....He knew exactly how God wants us to live....without hate, without fear....without prejudice....Loving everyone as if they were yourself. That is how God wants us to live. Excepting everyone for they're flaws because we're all a part of the perfect creation.

And as for those of you who hate or disapprove of homosexuality....Who the hell are you to judge another man? You make me sick...

If there is a hell, you people are on your way with a VIP ticket.....lucky for you hell doesn't exist.

Originally posted by MentorsRiddle
I think it is important to remember that God does not hate the sinner, God hates sin.

Therefore, God does not hate homosexuals, he hates the act of homosexuality.

Every sin has its weight before God, of equal weight.

So, homosexuality is the same as lying, murder, theft, rape, dishonor of elders, etc.

We are all guilty of sin, and short comings, so should not judge others of their sin.

For we, as Christians, are commanded not to judge others – least we be judged.

I do not condone homosexuality, because my religious doctrine dictates it, yet I will not hate a homosexual.

I will love them the same as I love my brother – for God sent his Son into the world not to condemn the world, but that the world, through him, may have eternal life.

Any Christian who hates homosexuals is a bigot and does not understand their own religion.

I have not read the entire thread yet, but really felt compelled to say "Thank You" for this response. It is exactly what Christ taught and any true Christian that was striving to follow in our Lord's footsteps would say as well. I am so disgusted by the hypocrites that spew hate as well as the ignorance out there regarding Christianity. I read here so often how hateful, backwards, or ignorant we Christians really are. Truth be told, they are the ones that are showing their ignorance. The media has done a damn good job pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. That does not mean to say there are no "black apples"(really had to get that in there, anyone who has seen the movie Promotion will get that joke) within the Christian faith, but just because you see the Westboro Babtist Church in the headlines, does not mean they speak for the lot of us. The same ignoramus will tear into someone for calling all muslims supporters of terrorism, but then attack Christians for being hateful.

So, in the words of the great Rodney King "Can't we all get along?!" Let God sort out the mess at the end.

reply to post by ArchIlluminatus

Christ did speak out against homosexuality. I already quoted it in my first post.

Matthew 19:4-6 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

You do know the quote that you posted is about Marriage and Divorce right??

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

How does that speak about Homosexuality?

Peace

I'm fairly certain, given enough time, I could find a passage that bans the use of sponges in a bath on the Friday exactly 6 weeks before the last day after the first full moon in any leap year that the Olympics isn't in!!

C'mon man, you can't pick and choose what you want to follow, nor can we live by the standards of some folk that died a few thousand years ago.

It's about love man, love thy neighbour, be a good person, contribute to the cosmos.

What you do in the bedroom, well, is it really THAT important as long as you're not hurting people?

Originally posted by whitl103

Ah yes, a sympathetic bigot. I heard this response many times growing up in church from those who didn't want God to be a hater against people, but they personally couldn't let go of being against homosexuality. So you're essentially saying God doesn't hate homosexuals, but all homosexuals are wrong and can become straight, which is what God desires for them (watch my eyes roll as I stifle a laugh).

There are a few former homosexuals at the church I go to. Homosexuals can repent just like any other sinner.

Of course, an all-loving all-knowing God does not hate, so I have no idea of which God you're speaking.

The Bible is quite clear that God hates sin.

All too often we assume man's interpretation of God written in a book is the actual truth, when the actual truth is beyond all comprehension.

Let me get this straight.. Are you implying God has the technology to create the universe out of nothing but doesn't have the technology to get a message to us revealing Himself??

God does not hate homosexuality, because God does not hate.

False. God hates sin.

"You are not a god who delights in evil; no wicked person finds refuge with you; the arrogant cannot stand before you. You hate all who do evil;" ~ Psalm 5:4-5

"Into your hands I commend my spirit; you will redeem me, LORD, faithful God. You hate those who serve worthless idols, but I trust in the LORD." ~ Psalm 31:5-6

"Your throne, O God, stands forever; your royal scepter is a scepter for justice. You love justice and hate wrongdoing; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellow kings. ~ Psalm 45:6-7

"For I hate divorce, says the LORD, the God of Israel, And covering one's garment with injustice, says the LORD of hosts; You must then safeguard life that is your own, and not break faith." ~ Malachi 2:16

"Your throne, O God, stands forever and ever; and a righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom. You loved justice and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, anointed you with the oil of gladness above your companions"; ~ Hebrews 1:8-9

"But you have this in your favor: you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. " ' "Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the victor I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God." ~ Revelation 2:6-7

If you believe God hates anything, (which I'm sure we have very different definitions of what God is. He is not an old dude in the sky to me) then there is no discussion to be had.

I do believe you're correct though, your god cannot hate anything,

because he doesn't exist.

reply to post by Akragon


Please, the whole of the Bible does not teach stoning for any sin. Maybe try reading the book, you might be surprised at what you find.

reply to post by IAMIAM


In regards to Paul I'd rather trust the words of one of Christ's apostles (Peter) over the words of some random guy on the internet. Peter calls Paul a "beloved brother" and says that his (Paul's) teachings while hard to understand are indeed "scripture" as well.

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I agree with some of your post, the part about loving and all, but I will take you up on your challenge. Please find the restriction on sponging, really.

reply to post by CLPrime


WOW! CLPrime.

That was a great read and interpretation. Not that I particularly believe the bible is the word of any god.

As I say: "The bible is not truth - but there is truth in the bible"

There is no denying the Telephone Game - - that man is not perfect - - and had a hand in interpretation over so many years.

But Thank You. I really enjoyed that post.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
In regards to Paul I'd rather trust the words of one of Christ's apostles (Peter) over the words of some random guy on the internet. Peter calls Paul a "beloved brother" and says that his (Paul's) teachings while hard to understand are indeed "scripture" as well.

Of course his count as scripture as well. But, it is three degree's from the source. He was taken in by Christ's disciples and learned his message, but through them. Thus his deviations may be true, but only based on what he had learned. He did not go to the source of the teachings. Now those who hang on Paul's words are those who are furthest from the truth. Those who read the words from Christ's own mouth, and understand them, they are his true disciples. Those who speak his words and get others to understand them by demonstrating them, they have found Christ within them.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by IAMIAM

This is Pauls doctrine, he never actually knew Christ. His doctrine was a different interpretation that he forced on others through the Power of the Empire.

Romans 1:1 "Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God."

Christ called him to be an Apostle to the Gentiles on the road to Damascus. Read The Book of Acts.

Romans 9:1 I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it through the Holy Spirit

Galatians 2:1-2; 7 Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also. I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.

On the contrary, they recognized that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been to the circumcised.

The Apostles recognized Paul as a legit Apostle to preach to the Gentiles (non Jews.) Why are you rejecting the authority of scripture?

Rejected the writings of Paul is saying most the New Testament is invalid. Are you unfamiliar with this verse? All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness -2 Timothy 3:16

Originally posted by Dwigt
reply to post by kiwifoot

 

I agree with some of your post, the part about loving and all, but I will take you up on your challenge. Please find the restriction on sponging, really.

Okay, you got me, I was being silly!

But I think you know what I mean.

How many archaic, pointless rules and regulations are there in the Bible?

Do Christians follow them all?

As a moral code, Christianity is awesome, the Bible rocks, but if you were to follow the old testament to the letter you'd have no chance! So why be so militant over homosexuality and not follow every law and rule in the Good Book?

I think Jesus came to earth to preach love, love for your fellow human beings, for sinners.

it's just another way of looking at it I guess.


I don't get caught up in the don'ts, more the dos for me.

Gotta respect everybody, gays are God's handiwork too.

Get over it people, concentrate on what matters in life, because this surely doens't. In my truly humble opinion!

Hope I haven't cheesed anyone off!

Originally posted by Seed76
reply to post by ArchIlluminatus

 

Christ did speak out against homosexuality. I already quoted it in my first post.

Matthew 19:4-6 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

You do know the quote that you posted is about Marriage and Divorce right??

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

How does that speak about Homosexuality?

Peace

Are you that ignorant? Sex is to be only between a married couple. Christ said only a man and woman is to marry and become one flesh. He didn't say a man and man or a woman and woman.

Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by CLPrime

 

There is no denying the Telephone Game - - that man is not perfect - - and had a hand in interpretation over so many years.

Are you familiar with the term “irony?” We know what the Bible really says because it was copied and re-copied so many times. Ask any scholar: The more copies there are of an ancient text, the easier it is to compare them and determine what the original said, and the Bible has exponentially more early copies than any other ancient text. Not only that, but the earliest copies date closer to the original than any other ancient text. Also, there being so many copies of the original makes it impossible for any group to “suppress” anything that they didn’t like.

reply to post by LeJimster


i very much think they belong to gather but i too am finding some passages in the new testament that would lead one to believe that the god of old testament is the opposite of the new testament...i let you figure that one out only i will add a few thing to get you started:

1. GOD is the same yesterday today and forever. keep notice in old and new testament where LORD or lord or God or GOD is used. I have been told that they just simplified there names from Hebrew but i think not because the context isnt right. Case in point look at JOB 1:6 in king james it uses LORD God and Satan and they are obviously 3 distinct being. In the NIV is says the LORD said to the lord. and lets not forget LORD God name

2.in the beginning was the word and it was good.

3.the word created all things good ex.holy spirit?jesus?you?me?

4.what does the holy spirit say it finds upsetting ex.I believe one of Pauls chapters speaks heavily on this.

5.Jesus said a house divided cannot stand. when he drove out the demon and was accused of doing the devils work. Meaning if the devil cast out the devil how does that work out good for the devil

6.who did Jesus say he cast down from his authority before he appeared after the resurrection. If the light wasnt the authority than what was. remeber example 5 if god was authority then how could Jesus casting him down be beneficial for good. Jesus said he came to do his fathers will.

7.whose work did Jesus accuse the jewish elders of doing. I give a hint it wasnt Jesus' father

8you will know whom they serve by their work or you will know their spirit by how they act.
that should give something to think on
I think every "CHristian" needs to read Jesus's testimony in John 8:12-59 read it like paragraph at a time and stop and reflect every paragraph or so. it is by far almost everything you need to know about anything that really matters to me pay special attention to verse 41-47 and rember who it is he is talking to.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
In regards to Paul I'd rather trust the words of one of Christ's apostles (Peter) over the words of some random guy on the internet. Peter calls Paul a "beloved brother" and says that his (Paul's) teachings while hard to understand are indeed "scripture" as well.

Of course his count as scripture as well. But, it is three degree's from the source. He was taken in by Christ's disciples and learned his message, but through them. Thus his deviations may be true, but only based on what he had learned. He did not go to the source of the teachings. Now those who hang on Paul's words are those who are furthest from the truth. Those who read the words from Christ's own mouth, and understand them, they are his true disciples. Those who speak his words and get others to understand them by demonstrating them, they have found Christ within them.

With Love,

Interesting. My Bible says Paul went to Mt. Sinai for 3 years before meeting any apostle. He was taught directly from the Holy Spirit. Paul also said he saw Jesus Christ, in fact his conversation with the Lord is recorded in Acts. Who cares if the others around Paul didn't see Jesus, after Jesus rose from the dead He was ONLY seen by loving eyes and ONLY touched by loving hands. Forgive me for assuming, but I'd venture to say that those accompanying Paul on the road to Damascus were not Christians.

F&S

There is a good reason why the Bible / God is against homosexuality - it's simply unnatural (against the devine plan and order), it's clearly a malfunction, a disorder and should be treated as such, period!
If it wasn't so, God would have made BOTH men and women capable of becoming pregnant, no?
So, you just need to THINK LOGICAL in order to understand that homosex is NOT ok.

All this pro-gayness propaganda going on nowadays and the agenda behind it sickens me. It's probably one of the methods of TPTB for trying to control/reduce population a bit, besides spreading diseases and cancer

Ko3

Originally posted by ArchIlluminatus
The Apostles recognized Paul as a legit Apostle to preach to the Gentiles (non Jews.) Why are you rejecting the authority of scripture?

Rejected the writings of Paul is saying most the New Testament is invalid. Are you unfamiliar with this verse? All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness -2 Timothy 3:16

Timothy is correct, scripture is used for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness. The lessons in Paul is how quickly man will deviate from Christ's Law to love one another. In only three generations from the Master, the church begins down an oppressive and self righteous path. It closes itself off from the world by building churches and picking and choosing who can enter.

It is not Man's place to JUDGE! That was the teaching of the Master. If Paul deviates from that, then his doctrine is untrue.

Man's place is to love, it is all Christ commanded us to do. If you cannot see that in his lessons, come closer to his heart than Paul.

With Love,

Your Brother

reply to post by ArchIlluminatus

Are you that ignorant? Sex is to be only between a married couple. Christ said only a man and woman is to marry and become one flesh. He didn't say a man and man or a woman and woman.

Ignorant?? Why is that?? The Matthew quote which you posted is about Marriage and Divorce, between Man and Woman. It has nothing to do with Homosexuality, which is exactly what i said on my post.

Peace

reply to post by ArchIlluminatus


Please keep your church out of my rights and freedoms.

Yours in haste,

Helmkat