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In less than 90 days, you will be "REQUIRED" by Federal Law to carry a "National ID" card.
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reply to post by Druid42
They do not want to hear it . It hurts their ears . They would avoid it like the plague . God and the bible kills their hope of this is a temporary thing and the party will go on . Party or the fulfillment of their life's dreams either way they do not want to see Jesus come back . Only those that are waiting to see Jesus are looking for an end to life as we know it .Life under the rule of Jesus will be different .
They do not want to hear it . It hurts their ears . They would avoid it like the plague . God and the bible kills their hope of this is a temporary thing and the party will go on . Party or the fulfillment of their life's dreams either way they do not want to see Jesus come back . Only those that are waiting to see Jesus are looking for an end to life as we know it .Life under the rule of Jesus will be different .
reply to post by VeniVidi
That same bunch will soon be called Homeland Security and they will be after those of us who will not take that Mark . They already have lodging ready for us and transportation to get us there . They will brand us for domestic terrorist as they have already done and had to expunge from the internet after it got out . The implantable Verichip will most likely be used to convey your business . If you don't comply within a certain time all of your holdings will most likely revert to the State as unclaimed property . No food , no property , no medicine no way to live . It will be hard to keep the faith and reject the Mark of the Beast .
That same bunch will soon be called Homeland Security and they will be after those of us who will not take that Mark . They already have lodging ready for us and transportation to get us there . They will brand us for domestic terrorist as they have already done and had to expunge from the internet after it got out . The implantable Verichip will most likely be used to convey your business . If you don't comply within a certain time all of your holdings will most likely revert to the State as unclaimed property . No food , no property , no medicine no way to live . It will be hard to keep the faith and reject the Mark of the Beast .
Originally posted by intelinside451
reply to post by Klassified
I can't wait for the "flaws" to show up. Opps we can't scan your card, you'll have to come with us. Oh you're not a fugitive, our bad, you can go now. Oh oh my favorite, you lost your card? $100 fine for not having your card on you, more money for the government to blow.
LOL, so tell me now how bad Bush was????
And the worst part of all, they're intentional flaws.
I don't think it is going to happen:
Link to original article
The deadline for state implementation of the national ID law lapsed nearly three years ago. Half the states in the country have affirmatively barred themselves from implementing REAL ID or they have passed resolutions objecting to the national ID law. But the Department of Homeland Security has repeatedly extended the deadline and reduced the compliance bar to suggest progress on the flagging national ID effort. With another faux implementation deadline looming in May, the DHS is almost certain to issue a blanket extension of the compliance deadline again soon.
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reply to post by schuyler
I would have to agree. They're already offering extensions on their site:
www.dhs.gov...
This is why I think "Real ID" is, and will be implemented in bits and pieces. Enhanced drivers licenses, employee ID's with chips, military, government, etc. Slowly but surely, there will be at least one rfid chip on everybody's person. Or some form thereof. Unless of course, they get antsy and decide to create or use a false flag to push it.
I would have to agree. They're already offering extensions on their site:
This final rule also provides a process for states to seek an additional extension of the compliance deadline to May 11, 2011, by demonstrating material compliance with the core requirements of the Act and this rule.
www.dhs.gov...
This is why I think "Real ID" is, and will be implemented in bits and pieces. Enhanced drivers licenses, employee ID's with chips, military, government, etc. Slowly but surely, there will be at least one rfid chip on everybody's person. Or some form thereof. Unless of course, they get antsy and decide to create or use a false flag to push it.
edit on 2-3-2011 by Klassified because: Helps to give a link.
reply to post by schuyler
You are right . We will not implement it on our own . That pesky problem called the Christian will not go for it and until they and their bible goes away the world will not go for it . That is until a world monetary failure happens . People will soon lose their anxiety about the possibility of the bible being true as their stomach gnaws at them and their world collapses around them . As those sign on to the world currency and takes the mark the flood will be enormous as the cautious people rationalise that all those people can't be wrong . Still those Christians will be causing trouble and if you take the mark or worship his image you have denied Jesus and are lost for ever . Those Pretribbers will believe that they have been lied too , or rejected of Christ and may fall to take the Mark .
2nd Thessolonians Chapter 2 tells us we will see the AC and his bunch .
You are right . We will not implement it on our own . That pesky problem called the Christian will not go for it and until they and their bible goes away the world will not go for it . That is until a world monetary failure happens . People will soon lose their anxiety about the possibility of the bible being true as their stomach gnaws at them and their world collapses around them . As those sign on to the world currency and takes the mark the flood will be enormous as the cautious people rationalise that all those people can't be wrong . Still those Christians will be causing trouble and if you take the mark or worship his image you have denied Jesus and are lost for ever . Those Pretribbers will believe that they have been lied too , or rejected of Christ and may fall to take the Mark .
2nd Thessolonians Chapter 2 tells us we will see the AC and his bunch .
Everyone keeps talking about backing up their files, pics, videos etc....and what will they play on without electricity...or gas for your generators?
The gets me...folks talking about backing their stuff up. In the end? It wont matter.
PS You are not going to be able to NOT have one. It will become (and is becoming) law. Without it? You will be detained for no I.D. The laws have been designed with them, not us, in mind...for our own good.
PS You are not going to be able to NOT have one. It will become (and is becoming) law. Without it? You will be detained for no I.D. The laws have been designed with them, not us, in mind...for our own good.
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reply to post by Klassified
I didn't really think that faar ahead about it, but yes that does seem like a problem.
2nd
I didn't really think that faar ahead about it, but yes that does seem like a problem.
2nd
reply to post by Klassified
Here is HOW you stop it. This is legal and binding, file your UCC-1 and then join this site in stopping the insanity. They have an ID that is legitimate and legal and CAN NOT be denied by the corporate city/states. This stops them period.
one-heaven.org...
Here is HOW you stop it. This is legal and binding, file your UCC-1 and then join this site in stopping the insanity. They have an ID that is legitimate and legal and CAN NOT be denied by the corporate city/states. This stops them period.
one-heaven.org...
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Copy your passport, drivers license, birth certificate, SS card and scan it. Also copy your fingerprints and a a few orthographic photos of yourself onto it. PGP sign it. Store it on a truecrypt encrypted USB flash drive as safekeeping in case anyone tries to steal your identity.
I've stored MOST of what you recommended on my computer and a backup drive -- but my fingerprints? I think I carry those around.
And the encryption -- is that just for keeping prying eyes out? I'm more likely to forget the password than I am to have it stolen from me. Where your ID gets stolen, is from companies that require you to give them your SS number. Banks, mortgage companies -- oh heck, ANYONE, I once had some company try to REQUIRE my SSN for renting video tapes.
On the "black market" the cost of a SSN is worth about 2 cents. Your credit card number would be about 25 cents. Everything together would be worth a LOT more. So, I memorize my home address and SSN and name, and don't store it with that other data.
Identity theft could be easily solved, by the way, but by creating a problem that can ONLY be solved with a National ID -- it allows them to get more power. Probably some company with good connections will be the sole source of the cards and will store all the data as well -- there is no provision to stop a private company from sharing this data with it's subsidiaries. Therefore; your data will be safely guarded by the biggest crooks possible, who don't need identity theft -- they'll issue you a 40% interest credit card and let YOU bankrupt yourself with your own, secure ID.
>> Identity theft would be a bigger issue for me, if I weren't already getting ripped off by the "known" thieves like Chase bank.
Yes the encryption is to keep people out if you lose your flash drive. Back up all your data on an external HD and keep the encrypted USB with you at all times for emergencies. I said to keep the scanned SS card on it for demonstration of proof if someone tries to use it.
Here is a photo of what pops up when I pop my flash drive into the computer. Its a 45 character password that can only be broken by brute force:
Truecrypt has no known weaknesses except for side channel attacks (ie monitoring RAM, keyloggers, trojans etc)
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst[/i
I mean, a minute in a Microwave would destroy both the data and the GPS tracking.
Disabling the card means that you would not be permitted to buy goods where a card is required, pass thru a road block, etc.....good luck with that.
Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst[/i
I mean, a minute in a Microwave would destroy both the data and the GPS tracking.
Disabling the card means that you would not be permitted to buy goods where a card is required, pass thru a road block, etc.....good luck with that.
Not unless you use an RFID reader and scan someone else s card onto yours, you could still make purchases and use it for entry.
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst[/i
I mean, a minute in a Microwave would destroy both the data and the GPS tracking.
Disabling the card means that you would not be permitted to buy goods where a card is required, pass thru a road block, etc.....good luck with that.
Not unless you use an RFID reader and scan someone else s card onto yours, you could still make purchases and use it for entry.
>> No, the point would be to ruin as many OTHER cards as possible -- so that the system fails to work with RFID or GPS -- and TPTB cannot tell the innocent from the anarchist.
-- I mean, if you were AGAINST such a noble persuit as protecting us from Ter'rists and keeping children safe from Pedophiles and all...
Someone mentioned that GPS won't work on a card WITHOUT a good power source -- and EXCELLENT POINT!
>> However, in the Gulf War (the first one), a lot of computer installations were targeted because the Laser Printers they were using had circuit boards that were designed with a radio pulse built in. When these normal, consumer printers were turned on -- they actually transmitted their location -- which required a satellite overhead to triangulate the location.
I presume that some government agency forced the manufacturer to put in on their chip and then told them to keep quiet. You can bet that a lot of chips probably have some sort of passive locators.
>> The thing about a card with a GPS or RFID locator -- the POWER can be added by something you walk by. So say you are passing by in your car underneath one of those toll booths -- either with the "rapid pay" or not -- how do you know some charged radio field isn't powering up some little chip and it transmits a "Citizen XYZ is at this LOCATION" ?
A steal-belted radial could have an RFID, and it might not tell the Government who YOU are, but it will allow for tracking of each and every unique RFID that passes over cables put into the road. With a comprehensive database, there is probably a way to connect that data back to you as an individual. -- ESPECIALLY, if the tired RFIDs are scanned when your Universal ID's RFID is scanned.
The "GPS" is more or less a term of "can be used to locate you." But I agree; if you are off the grid as far as electronic/radio signals - then it probably cannot transmit your location. But in the city and suburbs, there are PLENTY of places where a reader, or broadcaster that can charge it could be hidden.
THINK about Cell Phones. Any Radio wave like your FM Radio is actually PUSHING some energy out. Within maybe 1 mile in range, a transmitter can push out enough energy for a small antennae to "chirp" back a pulse. If you added something like a Capacitor, maybe the card could "Store" radio energy for about a minute and "chirp" it's location over quite a distance.
>> However, in the Gulf War (the first one), a lot of computer installations were targeted because the Laser Printers they were using had circuit boards that were designed with a radio pulse built in. When these normal, consumer printers were turned on -- they actually transmitted their location -- which required a satellite overhead to triangulate the location.
I presume that some government agency forced the manufacturer to put in on their chip and then told them to keep quiet. You can bet that a lot of chips probably have some sort of passive locators.
>> The thing about a card with a GPS or RFID locator -- the POWER can be added by something you walk by. So say you are passing by in your car underneath one of those toll booths -- either with the "rapid pay" or not -- how do you know some charged radio field isn't powering up some little chip and it transmits a "Citizen XYZ is at this LOCATION" ?
A steal-belted radial could have an RFID, and it might not tell the Government who YOU are, but it will allow for tracking of each and every unique RFID that passes over cables put into the road. With a comprehensive database, there is probably a way to connect that data back to you as an individual. -- ESPECIALLY, if the tired RFIDs are scanned when your Universal ID's RFID is scanned.
The "GPS" is more or less a term of "can be used to locate you." But I agree; if you are off the grid as far as electronic/radio signals - then it probably cannot transmit your location. But in the city and suburbs, there are PLENTY of places where a reader, or broadcaster that can charge it could be hidden.
THINK about Cell Phones. Any Radio wave like your FM Radio is actually PUSHING some energy out. Within maybe 1 mile in range, a transmitter can push out enough energy for a small antennae to "chirp" back a pulse. If you added something like a Capacitor, maybe the card could "Store" radio energy for about a minute and "chirp" it's location over quite a distance.
Yes there are so many ways to defeat this childs play technology its not even funny. Anyone who as taken college emag and electronics courses knows
this.
You can use things like z-pinches, microwave radiation, active/passive jamming, then you can get more advanced and copy cards and spoof signals, make yourself many places at once. Copy your card 100 times and tape it to every long haul trucker, leave a few on an airplanes.
Then copy senators/congressmen's cards use them to buy porn. Leave their cards in a strip club before the election after youve copied them.
You can use things like z-pinches, microwave radiation, active/passive jamming, then you can get more advanced and copy cards and spoof signals, make yourself many places at once. Copy your card 100 times and tape it to every long haul trucker, leave a few on an airplanes.
Then copy senators/congressmen's cards use them to buy porn. Leave their cards in a strip club before the election after youve copied them.
We're not even remotely close to this happening. The "Real ID panic" and "disclosure is imminent" predictions are two I have seen fail time and
time again. I have no clue why people keep buying into this hysteria.
Originally posted by Abney
We're not even remotely close to this happening. The "Real ID panic" and "disclosure is imminent" predictions are two I have seen fail time and time again. I have no clue why people keep buying into this hysteria.
So true...
Back when I read this thread when it was first posted, the first thing that popped into my mind was "yeah? I really doubt it"
And I was right. No national ID here! Sorry fear mongers!
Originally posted by beezzer
I see a new market in black-market ID's.
My name will be Charlie Sheen.
I want to be Charlie Sheen, too! We should all get black-market ID's and call ourselves Charlie Sheen - in retaliation.
I seriously doubt he'd even mind.
Wouldn't Anonymous know something about how to do this?
Or, maybe there could be a way to make the ID keep our appearance and info on the hard copy, but the chip have us all listed at Charlie Sheen. LOL, I like it.
Edit to add: I was just thinking about this being a universal ID, we are moving to universal healthcare, universal this and that. Well if 'they' are pushing so hard for all of us to be placed in one pretty little box, then we should find a way to do just that! Give them EXACTLY what they want. We'll be universal! The 'universal' chip = the 'Charlie Sheen' chip-hack.
edit on 11-5-2011 by SourGrapes because: (no reason given)
You already carry ID everywhere you go,
Car license plate
Drivers license
Mobile phone device IMEI and phone number and probably a GPS built in
Credit cards
Debit Cards
Bank cards
Internet accounts
Passports
Hair skin DNA
Fingerprints
Social security number
OMG THEY WILL FIND OUT WHO I AM! END OF THE WORLD!
Car license plate
Drivers license
Mobile phone device IMEI and phone number and probably a GPS built in
Credit cards
Debit Cards
Bank cards
Internet accounts
Passports
Hair skin DNA
Fingerprints
Social security number
OMG THEY WILL FIND OUT WHO I AM! END OF THE WORLD!
edit on 11-5-2011 by zookey because: (no reason given)
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