TPTB already took care of Loughner and replaced him with a duplicate.

reply to post by S1LV3R4D0


You picked the wrong person to try to ridicule .
If you have nothing to offer this thread , I suggest your seek your thrills elsewhere

I was talking to the op , if you dont agree with us then fine but I do not expect sarcasm and arrogance .
I joined ats to avoid people with those traits not to be attacked by them.

You want to ignore me ? Fine but remember I didnt call you out and try to be a wise guy , that was Your choice .

So does anyone have a photo of a person having blue eyes under one kind of light and brown eyes under another kind of light? That would at least solve the eye mystery.

Originally posted by mbaker90

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
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And his eyes are blue in one pic and brown in the other....

Come on this is strange.

I blame that on the different lighting in both pictures

Sorry but the lighting is general in both pics. He is closer to the light source in the first pic and in it his eyes are brown. Sorry but more light, more true color. No one's eyes turn blue farther away, its usually just less pronounced, not another color entirely!
And the right ear (left of pic) is different and so is the hair line. If you line them up, they do not match. The guy in the right pic's ear is fattier. Hair line recedes more.

Originally posted by OptimusPrimate
I disagree.

After some colour correction, curve edtiting etc...in order to unify the photos you can clearly see that they are the same person.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/85452cbe750a.gif[/atsimg]

Just like the other person who tried to do this, it is deceptive. Why does the eyes change from blue to brown? The last guy said he did this on "accident" I guess you did it on accident as well? Or was it the lighting? And I notice that the freckles don't appear on the photo.

Here's a thought, if you have to do some colour correction, curve editing, etc...wouldn't that mean they aren't the same person? If they were the same person, wouldn't those things be unnecessary?

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Its the same guy. His face has healed a bit from the black eye...that's all.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, but...

I can't explain the court drawing but the mug shots are the same guy. The harsh lighting in the original mug washes out some of the detail in his face that is present in the better lit second photo. If you look closely his nose is identical in both shots and he has one screwed up nose.

One question I have is why the TPTB would replace him? What purpose would that serve? I am all for conspiracy theories but this one seems like a stretch.

Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by OptimusPrimate
I disagree.

After some colour correction, curve edtiting etc...in order to unify the photos you can clearly see that they are the same person.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/85452cbe750a.gif[/atsimg]

Just like the other person who tried to do this, it is deceptive. Why does the eyes change from blue to brown? The last guy said he did this on "accident" I guess you did it on accident as well? Or was it the lighting? And I notice that the freckles don't appear on the photo.

Here's a thought, if you have to do some colour correction, curve editing, etc...wouldn't that mean they aren't the same person? If they were the same person, wouldn't those things be unnecessary?

edit on 24-2-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

SImple answer: Absolutely not.

Long Answer: Curves and color corrections would be necessary for ANY picture that has any kind of difference in situation in order to match overall TONE. Different Set of Lights? Corrections. Different Location of Lights? Corrections. Differnt settings on camera? (there are many that can change) yup, you guessed it, corrections. All this translates to is that these corrections are based on what the camera pics up.

Pardon me in advance if this comes across as rude, but I have tried to explain this a few times with no response from you, and your posts clearly show a lack of photography knowledge, so why not listen to the advise from someone who does have experience, and let your opinion accept other peoples experience and not just your own speculation of what you think would happen?

Originally posted by DaWhiz

Originally posted by mbaker90

Originally posted by AdAbsurdum
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And his eyes are blue in one pic and brown in the other....

Come on this is strange.

I blame that on the different lighting in both pictures

Sorry but the lighting is general in both pics. He is closer to the light source in the first pic and in it his eyes are brown. Sorry but more light, more true color. No one's eyes turn blue farther away, its usually just less pronounced, not another color entirely!
And the right ear (left of pic) is different and so is the hair line. If you line them up, they do not match. The guy in the right pic's ear is fattier. Hair line recedes more.

Sorry but he is not "closer" to the light in the first nor is the lighting "general".

In the first it is directional from a position above, most likely incandescent (due to yellow tinge) bulbs that light up the room. The second picture is also directional from above (possibly a little in front of him as well after analyzing catch lights in the eyes) but it is much more diffused or in proper photography terms, it is softer.

What EVER you do... Do NOT EVER under NO circumstance trust the media! They have the same owners and integrity as the President of the United States of America.

Originally posted by Nitemare26
What EVER you do... Do NOT EVER under NO circumstance trust the media! They have the same owners and integrity as the President of the United States of America.

Yes, listen to this guy. On the whole the media will lie to your face, but these photos ARE clearly of him, clearly at least to someone who is trained in the field of photography or someone who isnt looking for a conspiracy. And do keep in mind people, i dont know if he is indeed guilty and the situation is fishy, BUT from all my years in the industry of graphic arts and photography, this thread is far off the mark.

I am afraid, ATS.

OF all the atrocities and crimes going on in the world, you choose to try and make a conspiracy about a man that murdered innocent people?

THIS IS WHAT HE WANTED. HE KNEW HE WAS EITHER GOING TO GET CAUGHT, OR DIE. HE WANTED PEOPLE TO REMEMBER HIM, AND OBSESS OVER HIM, AND TRY TO THINK THE WAY HE DID.

This has got to be the worst excuse for a conspiracy on ATS to date.

I'd rather have another newbie claim he's The One than see anything like this again..

Pathetic.

Originally posted by filosophia
So does anyone have a photo of a person having blue eyes under one kind of light and brown eyes under another kind of light? That would at least solve the eye mystery.

If you look closely in the first image, his eyes are actually gray, with a slight tinge of brown to them due to the surroundings and the white balance (google white balance, to see how much it can change an image). I have blue eyes, and have more than once had to recolor them blue in pictures because they gray out and tinge colors.

i ll just drop 2 thought about this subject :

- could be related to MK ultra mind control. Like for schitzophrenia, the same guy can have a very different fdace expression, depending on his active personality.

- if he has been replace by a duplicate, that would mean a clone ( has alleged for other like Jimmy Carter if i recall right). And i dont see why a clone would have different features ( the crooked nose is there on both pics ) .

So to conclude, i believe this is the same guy in both pictures, but the evil looking one may have been tampered in order to deceive people through TV showing a crazy guy. That doesnt mean there is no further conspiration related to this topic.

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THIS IS WHAT HE WANTED. HE KNEW HE WAS EITHER GOING TO GET CAUGHT, OR DIE. HE WANTED PEOPLE TO REMEMBER HIM, AND OBSESS OVER HIM, AND TRY TO THINK THE WAY HE DID.


So how come he has not said ONE WORD to justify/explain his actions ?
How come he said not guilty ?

His lawyer told him to be silent and plead not guilty ?
If hes crazy and obssesive and opionated and an extremist why would he listen to his lawyer ?
You cant have it both ways hes either mad or not hes either a political extremist or not .

Il remind you that you have ZERO evidence to prove Loughner did this .
When we have this evidence feel free to preach then

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People with so called knowledge of photography changed his eyes from blue to brown twice now from two different people so I'm sorry but I'm skeptical.

Artist renditions are subjective art, so using a drawing for comparative purposes isn't valid.

Looks like the same Loughner to me. The original mugshot was of poor quality and overblown contrast. I toned down the original image in this comparison, so it's more comparable to the lighting in Loughner's newest mugshot.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a7fdb2044d26.jpg[/atsimg]

I'm sure the court's witnesses would be saying something, if they thought he was another person.

Originally posted by filosophia
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People with so called knowledge of photography changed his eyes from blue to brown twice now from two different people so I'm sorry but I'm skeptical.

yes it is quite easy to change eye color, but as i said his eyes are not true brown in that image. they are gray and blue eyes tend to do this in photography, both me and my girlfriends do occasionally.

wouldnt a simple bio-metric test conclude this debate? Personally i see the same man in both pics and i dont see a madman, i see an angry person who wanted others to feel his pain, everything was pre-motivated, he exibited no signs of mentall ilness, only through his rants here and on youtube which i believe was a way for him to pre-plant the idea he was not in a lucid stage of thinking

First I thought u were bored or somthing, but the guy is missing a few moles?!

Originally posted by kera1337
First I thought u were bored or somthing, but the guy is missing a few moles?!

More like missing some pimples. The first image released was of poor quality and turned reds into blacks. Also Loughner looked like he had charcoal around his eyes and under his nose in the first mugshot.

Loughner is probably eating better.