$100,000+ Salaries for School Teachers?

reply to post by crimvelvet


No, I didn't miss it. Who do you think bought and raped those smaller corporations? Unions? The greenmailers like T. Boone Pickens, with the whole-hearted cooperation of banks and bigger corporations. They are the one who chose to outsource, they weren't forced to by the government or by labor.

reply to post by macman


Hey macman,

No offense taken at all so no need to apologise. Silly thing is that most of us here all agree about most things. I read a lot of the posts here and have come to the realisation that no matter where you come from we all wish and dream for similar things.

The major problem with most things is they are political, Education, Health, tax, the military, everything revolves around our political masters, people whio you have to wonder if they are actually qualified to lead. How many times have you heard a politician say in an election year; "We will fix education / health / law and order" but they rarely do.

People making decisions about peoples lives that they know nothing about!

Peace,
Bunyipboy

reply to post by backwherewestarted

... I disagree with the "philosophy" you have decided to latch on to to find a reason to validate your opinion.

Okay, Lets look at the situation from another angle.

You and several others are trying to convince us "tax payers" that the Unions and Teachers have the students best interests at heart Right??? AND you are trying to convince us that the public schools do a good job of educating students, Right???

S WHY isn't the teacher's Union and the teachers supporting, NAY DEMANDING that the parents have the RIGHT to take the tax money THEY paid and give it to the school of their choice in return for educating their child? If the parents pick a private school then the state pays the normal amount and the parents would pay the difference.

Since competition usually improves a product this should improve ALL the schools. It also means the elite would not send THEIR kids to a CLASSICAL SCHOOL like Phillips Andover, to be trained as leaders, while the rest of us get stuck sending our kids to public school to be train as good little worker bees.

Oh and how many students do you think would leave the public schools if given this option? 1%, 10% 25%, 50% 75% HMMmmm???

reply to post by mblahnikluver


Well, they're making billions for corporations.. ya mum ain't.

reply to post by apacheman

No, I didn't miss it. Who do you think bought and raped those smaller corporations? Unions? The greenmailers like T. Boone Pickens, with the whole-hearted cooperation of banks and bigger corporations. They are the one who chose to outsource, they weren't forced to by the government or by labor.

Agreed, but the government SHOULD have put a stop to it.

I have not done the research yet, but I would not be surprised if somewhere in the Securities and Exchange laws leverage buyouts were made illegal right after 1933-34, because leveraged buyouts are what caused the crash in the first place and were the reason there was a Securities and exchange Act of (1934??) to begin with.

I also think the prohibition against leveraged buyouts was repealed just like all the 1934 banking laws were repealed under Clinton.

AHHhhh, I found my notes:

Consolidation of Mega Banks, AIG Bailout and Foreclosuregate: Quick list of Banking laws


After the Great Depression, several laws were put in place to prevent another depression. The 1933 and 1934 Security and Exchange laws, The McFadden Act of 1927, The Glass-Steagall Act or Banking Act of 1933. Also Bank Holding Company Act of 1956.

Clinton's laws Negating above: Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of 1994 and Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999

More pro-banking Clinton laws:
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Improvement Act of 1991:Allowed big banks to gobble up smaller banks more easily.

Housing and Community Development Act of 1992 and RTC Completion Act - Housing and business loans to minorities.

Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 200 - left CDSs unregulated and set up AIG bailout and Foreclosuregate.

No Clinton was not responsible for all the bad banking laws but he sure had a bunch of them he signed into law. (I already ripped Reagan to shreds over the leverage buyouts)

reply to post by Bunyipboy

The major problem with most things is they are political, Education, Health, tax, the military, everything revolves around our political masters, people whio you have to wonder if they are actually qualified to lead. How many times have you heard a politician say in an election year; "We will fix education / health / law and order" but they rarely do.

People making decisions about peoples lives that they know nothing about!

Unfortunately you are wrong they DO know what they are doing, at least their Shadow Masters do. Unfortunately the do not give a rat's behind about you and I. Growing up I lived in Westchester county not far from the Rockefellers. I have met the "elite" and believe me the think of us as sub-human cattle. I was SO happy to move out of that area into a "normal" town.

You might want to read History HACCP and the Food Safety Con Job It documents a sixty year war waged against US independent farmers. It is a real eye opener if you were not aware of the type of long range planning going on. (the last four pages are references so it is well documented)

reply to post by intelinside451


Sorry but i think teachers deserve good pay. They are as essential as the police, nurses and doctors and I am not being reckless with my language here. When societies ahve access to good education you find that crime rates drop, attitudes often become more liberal and a countries individual economy can flourish.

I would rather have a teacher being paid 100,000 a year than a politician or civil servant.

reply to post by crimvelvet

. I have met the "elite" and believe me the think of us as sub-human cattle.

Yeah me too and you are 99.9% right. If the majority knew what some actualy thought about us normies the "elite" would be teaching history.

reply to post by crimvelvet


Of course they should have done, but refused as usual.

I think if you really peek behind the curtain of dummy corporations you'll find the same group of families constantly finagling the banking laws in their favor, finding a different way to loot the economy about every generation or so, to set up the youngsters in business, sort of a rite of passage.

reply to post by crimvelvet


You are probably right, though on a day to day basis people wouldn't give much thought about the decisions being made on our behalf. It is interesting to see that in an age where our civil liberities and even our quality of life are being erroded away so significantly, the current level of unrest in the world wide population must be causing them, the ruling elite, a great deal of concern.

The middle east today, Australia, the US and UK tomorrow?

High school graduation rates were higher in 1969 than 2009, despite consuming only 5% of GDP rather than 6% of GDP

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Though Wisconsin boasts one of the nation’s highest graduation rates, there is still room for improvement. The achievement gap
between races in the state is staggering, as 86 percent of white students earn high school diplomas while only 44 percent of African Americans
and 48 percent of Hispanic students graduate. This cohort of dropouts costs Wisconsin hundreds of millions of dollars each year.
Key findings of this study include:
Over 7,000 high school seniors did not complete high school during the 2006-07 school year. Estimates of Wisconsin’s total high school
graduation rate range from 80 percent to 90 percent, as independent estimates tend to be lower than those released by the state.

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Milwaukee Public Schools has failed to fulfill multiple elements of its state-ordered educational improvement plan, according to newly released documents from the state Department of Public Instruction that detail why the district is at risk of losing millions of dollars of federal funding.

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I see nothing wrong with Wisconsin Teachers. They deserve their salaries.

reply to post by intelinside451


I don't think you truely know how much teachers are torn down and shadows of what they should be... Many teachers are doing the best they can with the situations they're put in and the way administration keeps throwing up red tape. People not in the classroom, that couldn't handle a day of it, are deciding everything. These "benefits" that are being put out their and factored in are just to provoke this kind of response from people. In the end, eveyone is going to lose. The real waste is all this crud that schools constantly spend money on trying to turn classrooms into automated learning factories. You wait and see when your kids are glued to computers all day, everyday "learning" with a single "teacher" to "facilitate" 50 plus students. You'll have a bunch of shildren that really have no critical thinking skills and a lack of creative thoughts. They'll be little machines, ready to do what they're told.
By all means, get angry at the teachers and smile happily as they get their salaries slashed. They didn't get to share in the good times when people were making money hand over fist, but they sure as hell should pay for the bad times that are here because they used UNIONS to keep at least some of what they fought for in previous years. TPTB would love you to be angry. This would allow for a lack of sympathy when there's more layoffs and your kids are crammed tighter together. You'll be too busy thinking, "Serves them right," to see that the only change will be that more students are learning even less. I'm sure technology will save it all though, so no worries, they'll be even more money of your to spend without those pesky teachers around./rant

reply to post by intelinside451


OP, you touched upon a real hotbutton issue for me. I have been saying exactly the same thing for at least 20 years.

The teachers unions have completely perverted the entire profession to the extent that it's a complete joke on every level. Each year they demand (not ASK like the rest of us, but demand) higher pay and/or more benefits, no matter what the rest of us are going through, and incompetent teachers are repeatedly rewarded. Benefits are off the charts. No one except the highest-paid executives among us get the benefits that teachers get, and yet all they do is whine and claim that they're fighting "for the children". Please! No one is buying that line anymore - just drop it. Their one and only concern is to cling to that golden goose they call a career, and lock everyone else out of the decision making process. On top of all this, they fight tooth and nail against any standardiz­ed testing because it'll expose the bad ones, and God knows, we can't have that!

All you have to do is look at the comments on Youtube videos to see the pathetic level of education that we're getting for our tax dollars. Sometimes the spelling, grammar and sentence structure is so bad that you have no idea what they're trying to say. No one can deny that the average public school kid is far less educated today than they were 20 years ago. This not only affects them, but it also spells serious trouble for this country when these kids will have to find meaningful jobs and survive in the real world.

Like the post office, the government refuses to let the public education system go private, despite the fact that private schools have been proven over and over again to be far superior, far more efficient, turn out more highly educated students, and cost much less. Of course, the politically powerful unions, whch can make or break a politician are the reason that will never happen, and the teachers couldn't be happier.

reply to post by AntiNWO


Private schools can exclude any child they choose while public schools must take every child. I hate hearing that to make the public school system private would make it all better. It would only make they system more exclussive while still making people pay taxes for them. These would be for profit schoold that basically are funded by government, yet kids would still have to do things like be able to afford text rentals/purchases and uniforms. On top of that, they could be kicked out for whatever reason the school picked - like low achademic performance on standardized testing. They teachers at these schools "couldn't be happier" because they deal with less behavior problems due to children having the serious threat of losing their spot in the school and, like the trained monkeys the children will become, they just have to basically read the manual on what they are to teach without deviating (so test scores will be good and the school will perform better of course).

reply to post by bertapearl


It's Not so much the teachers, It's the state governments, and federal government NCLB laws with all these mandates. The problem is that the states and the federal government are really piling it on our teachers to no end. My wife is a teacher of 25 years. her duty day is. meetings at 7am, she there at 6:30, school starts at 9am. ( not payed for 2.5 hours) then reading writing, math testing, reports, ESL ( teaching children how to speak English ) more testing for that as well. Then their is the no child left behind paper work for the federal government. ( this gets sent to the state. ) then their is meetings with parents sometimes after school hours at 3:30. If she is not meeting with anyone she is grading papers, then entering the grades on the computer system that get's uploaded to the state system. then she comes home and grades more papers until 10:30PM, she has to make her own prep time everyday, she does not get paid for the additional hours of time doing prep at the school, this prep work and time spent at school is left out of their contracts, so the state can save some cash.

So my wife told me the other day she cannot belive how much paper work they are piling on her, she has no assistant and teaches 24 kids. she told me , she has no time to teach anymore.

You guys see the point I'm making here , The state combined in addition to the federal government are doing this to our teachers, she told me out of a 6 hours day with the kids she gets in about 3.5 hours of actual teaching time. Many other programs have been cut that these kids need. She is upset about all this paperwork everyday. So don't blame the teachers, they work more than you think. My wife puts in about 65 to 80 hour per week. she took two pay cuts this year already and makes no where near 100K per year. now there getting ready for another pay cut, and more additional duties piled on them. So look to you school board for the answers you seek you will find them there, or does anyone attend these anymore ?

I bet you guys did not know most mid to large school districts get new books and programs every year , even if they are not needed for every classroom, that cost a little over 22- 60 million for school districts, and that is just for books. take a good hard look at what your school board does, I mean really look. You will be surprised why these states are broke. they spend, spend and spend for no other reason than spending. teachers salary's do not even come close to the spending these districts do. my wife district wants to buy a burned down building for a performing arts center ? for $ 8 million. and new stadium built for 256 million. I need to be contractor, or a book publisher. the list goes on .

People should be asking these questions:
How are these school districts spending elsewhere? Is there closed contract bidding on construction? Did that warranty for that roof really cost 2 million? Why do we need new books every single year? What happens to the old books? Why do administrators need brand new cars to take home? , Why does the district need a public relations staff ? How come we are contracting out maintenance, when we have maintenance personal? You really have to ask questions at these school board meetings. It always turns out they never have an answer , but say ” what? I’ll get back to you on that “ they never do.




that 100K might be for administrators that the OP is stating, I'm very sure it is, because that is the going rate.

I could understand teachers being paid this sort of money if they were teaching worthwile subjects....such as politics and law...but schools wont teach you things you really need in life because they are run by the government, and the government wants you to be ignorant to law and politics.

It should be called the public fool system, where you send your kids to be brainwashed with nonsense for at leat 16 years of their lives.

Ive not once used the maths i learnt at school in my adult life....15 years since i left school and i have yet to find a reason for the school filling my head with the # they did.

School is for learning things that will benefit you throughout life...college, and university is where you go to specialize in a given subject. School should be used to make you aware of how the world works, how law works. But its not.

$100,000 is about £65,000.....our teachers can earn anything from £19,000 to £100,000+ depending on their level of education and time in the business.

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
I could understand teachers being paid this sort of money if they were teaching worthwile subjects....such as politics and law...but schools wont teach you things you really need in life because they are run by the government, and the government wants you to be ignorant to law and politics.

It should be called the public fool system, where you send your kids to be brainwashed with nonsense for at leat 16 years of their lives.

Ive not once used the maths i learnt at school in my adult life....15 years since i left school and i have yet to find a reason for the school filling my head with the # they did.

Really? You have never added 1 and 2 together? You have never worked out the money you have and how much something costs? You have used your education more than you realise. We have to teach people basic science and maths because it helps develop a problem solving mind and it can make them interested in further education.

As for more advanced maths (algebra, trig etc) i do believe those should become voluntary, that way the kids who want to learn and excel in education, becoming doctors, lawyers and the like will get what they need. However a basic education in the big subjects should be welcomed. Trying to break down the schools into even more subjects would simply be impossible to manage. Have you noticed a school time table lately? There isn't room for new subjects, although personally I think the UK should drop religious education, it's a nonsense of a subject.

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
School is for learning things that will benefit you throughout life...college, and university is where you go to specialize in a given subject. School should be used to make you aware of how the world works, how law works. But its not.

Most people don't need to understand the law tbh, if they get in trouble they can hire a lawyer to do that for them. But schools right now do teach things which benefit you throughout your life, being able to add and ubtract must surely be useful to you in some way, as is the ability to write and make yourself understood.

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
$100,000 is about £65,000.....our teachers can earn anything from £19,000 to £100,000+ depending on their level of education and time in the business.

And that's like any other business, experience and skills matter.

Most people don't need to understand the law tbh, if they get in trouble they can hire a lawyer to do that for them. But schools right now do teach things which benefit you throughout your life, being able to add and ubtract must surely be useful to you in some way, as is the ability to write and make yourself understood.

EVERYONE should know the law regardless if you plan on breaking it or not.
How many people are arrested or imprisoned because they dont know law?? A lawyer only knows part of the law...hence they arent judges.
We are bound by these laws...shouldnt we know them? Shouldnt we be taught how to be a law abiding citizen and how to avoid being on the wrong side of the law? The reason we are not is simple...crime makes the government and corperations big money. If people could fight the system on their own...there would be no system.

I would have learnt how to read, write, add, subtract etc without the years at school.
If you live in your native country and speak the native language you will learn how to read and write no problem if given some help by family members. I dont think it requires 16 years to learn how to speak and write english if your from an english speaking nation.

I was never a fan of school...the last 4 years i rarely attended but still managed to attain good grades, kinda shows that the stuff being taught was of no use to me.

You get only what you pay for.

No 2nd needed.

You hate hearing that "to make the public school system private would make it all better" because it would put you out of a job, and I have to say that when teachers are so petrified at the prospect I can only assume that they know how incompetent they are and know that they could never survive in a private sector teaching job.

So they are "for profit", and that means what exactly? You teachers are making money for doing exactly the same thing, and doing a pathetically poor job of it. If they do a better job than you, then I'm happy to see them make a profit. They deserve it, just as good teachers deserve higher pay and poor teachers deserve to get fired.

Kids would have to "do things like be able to afford text rentals/purchases and uniforms" - yes, and so what? The tax money saved by the elimination of the Department of Education would go a long way to paying for that. Not to mention more efficient, less costly schools would leave more money in the pockets of the parents. Problem solved.

No, private schools would NOT be allowed to reject anyone they please. What a totally rediculous assumption. If the government handed all of the public students over to the private sector, you can bet that some rules would go along with that, including a requirement to maintain the enrollment of all students. The difference here being that private schools are many times more innovative in dealing with troubled students than public schools. You can blame the government all you want for this, but the fact remains that private school competition encourages creativity in dealing with every kind of challenge that your fertile imagination can come up with.

Of course all of this is moot, seeing as the teachers unions have a stranglehold on the politicians in Washington, as well as the states. Plus, considering the fact that the current system is doing a such a stellar job at dumbing down the students and churning out ignorant, passive, obedient cattle, whose biggest concern is when the next video game will be released, things will never change, so you have absolutely nothing to worry about.