Do you feel like Having to Work is un-natural?

reply to post by casinoed


I hope so.. But i know that there are so many of us "early twenties" people who've let themselves full into a life of partying and disregard to reality itself. "Work for the weekend". i dont think they'd help with the shift. If there is one i hope it holds education as #1 priority and stop wasting human potential on people lost to repititous labour.

You can either work and be a part of human society or you can go live out in the woods hunting deer and wiping your back end with leaves.

I think that at birth you should be given a fair plot of land that is yours when you turn 18 and you are free to do whatever it is you need.

1 acre per person aint bad.
Go to school do your things make your money, build your house or turn your land into a farm. sounds fair.

reply to post by blupblup


Yes, I get that.
I posted it mainly for the benefit of others who may not know about it, because accomodation is a major expense.

As for travel, you can always use non-passenger means of transportation, such as freight ships and trains.

Anyway, good luck.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I think that at birth you should be given a fair plot of land that is yours when you turn 18 and you are free to do whatever it is you need.

1 acre per person aint bad.
Go to school do your things make your money, build your house or turn your land into a farm. sounds fair.

I have thought things along those lines. Or like a tax credit that you have to pay back through the irs, but only as you earn, but it has to be used for primary residence...and if you don't earn your ENTIRE life, you become a liability... but we already have plenty of those. The government helps people pay rent so landlords can get their money... and that has nothing to do with the government. There will never be a shortage of renters with the way things are now. All those cheap houses on the market during the the worst of the property crisis was scooped up by investors for next to nothing who will rent it out and make a killing or sell them later and make a killing. the government had these properties in their hands by way of all they did for the banks... and they could have used it. they could have had low income working class people in houses and paying back a reasonable rate directly to the irs over an extended period of time (and i'm not talking about jacked up real estate sales prices because that is a despicable display of artificial and insane inflation courtesy of mortgage companies, surveyors and those who like flipping houses and making boatloads of cash without even doing any work to it). Eventually they will get their money and then some and less people will be a liability... but the government would rather throw money away it seems... they throw it straight to the investors and the damn people who already have money... and keep the lower income brackets struggling.

It's always rent, it's always getting into a place and making rent. people who deal with living paycheck to paycheck will often never find any type of escape from this cycle and will give most of their life's earning to a landlord. Not only is it stupid, but it's the main thing people stress over... the roof over their heads. You may get your lights turned off, you may have to go eat something out of the yard... but as long as you and your # isn't getting thrown out on the street- life could be much worse.... and if people have a better mindset about their basic needs in life, they wouldn't so apt to go out and commit stupid crimes... many of them that is. They would at least have a place to lay their head down.

If their was some program that could lend me a small amount of money that i could pay back over the course of my life then i certainly wouldn't need to seek and additional help from the government. even if i lost my job, I could very well keep myself living well just off of land. It's not impossible. You just have to think very efficiently if you attempt to do that and get food nowhere else. It wouldn't be easy if you did it the hard way... there's always trade as well. if you can't grow it or raise it, make and trade it for something someone else grows.

Not everyone would use the loan or credit or whatever and not everyone would need to have it all their lives and you should be able to pay it early if you want and sell whatever you bought with it... but it's a chance everyone should have unless they are incapable of maintaining their own finances (which is something they sometimes establish for some of the disabled anyway)

....and again, if you choose to do nothing and borrow the money, you would be looked at for tax evasion as many are and you would be given opportunities to work off the debt and if you died and had money, it would go to it and if not... it would be written off like so many things are.... but if you sold whatever you bought, it had to first go toward what you owe.

It would be no more of a loss than what happens in the system today and it would better society as a whole so even if the government didn't even break even... it would be an investment into the people.

... and I still don't think we should get tax credits for having children. That's just fertilizing a growing problem. Only the needy should be given money if they accidentally have children but they have to request it and it shouldn't just be a free straight up hand out. The government gives away money in strange ways... it doesn't make sense to me.

people just need a place to rest.... a foothold in this world. there should be no one who is just walking around from place to place because there is no place they belong... no place to call home. It's #ing retarded. People build thirty thousand dollar houses and sell them for 80. anyone should know that real estate is how you can get rich.... if you have capital to initially invest but if you do, you most likely aren't struggling. the system loves to help the rich get richer. Houses aren't that hard to make... but for many people in this world... they are IMPOSSIBLE to obtain simply because of how the system plays out.

it's disgusting.

...and your avatar looks like a guy I used to work for.

I also think its unnatural to work for a living, i think the government desgined it that way to keep us busy and keep our minds off the real truth off what really matters, the goal is to keep is in dunya as muslims would say,

No, having to work in not un- natural

Your ancestors worked for their survival, today you are guaranteed survival for the most part

But the real question becomes, do you want to just survive?

Working in today's society is the opportunity to do more than just survive.

Twenty years ago it was a questions of where you worked, in our future it will be if you work

Congrats Gemini! looks like your thread was so popular that ATS decided to make a video segment about it..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Another week, another sacrifice on the bitter-cold streets of New York City, as our Street View team brings to the topics of ATS to the unsuspecting masses. This week, our team took inspiration from a thread by ATS member GeminiSky...

I'm about to watch it

reply to post by freedish


Thanks! Its kinda surreal, I was surprised to see the u2u in my inbox.

--GS

reply to post by GeminiSky


Hehe maybe it's a sign that you should change career paths?

I just watched the video it's great, but in New York most people are so far away from our original way of life that most think it there's nothing wrong with our current system.

reply to post by GeminiSky


You kids today think everything should be handed to you. im almost 40 this year. i have been working sense i was 14, started delivering papers and mowing yards and tossing snow out of drive ways when i was 10 for money. was always tought if you want that extra you got to work that extra. years back i wanted to buy a motorcycle. so i picked up a extra part time job. saved for my bike. bought my bike then i went back to 1 job. its not that hard man.

you say you want to goto Europe. well kick it in the ars and get some extra hours in, bust them hours out. get it done then goto where ever you want to go. Today we work at a job to pay to keep the lights on and food. it is upto you to find that balance of work and life. there are plenty of ways you can do this. change jobs. try doing something else for a wile. im a builder. been in different stages of construction through out the years. granted in summer hours i get really bogged down with hours but then i got the winter off. its a balance only you need to be happy with. personally i feel your in the wrong type of field for yourself you might be good at it but your not happy at all. i still get enjoyment just driving by the places i have helped build or design. and see that i helped a family start a new life. i kinda think your missing that feeling of self accomplishment.

"To top it off I had been gradually sucked into materialism," This is a big problem but easy to get out of IF you are WILLING. willing to be key word. for example cell phones. now this is a guess but im guessing most peoples cell phone bill reaches around 80$ per month. and thats prob undercutting most bills. i myself use a prepaid phone for emergency use only. then i have a ipod touch 4th gen. that i use for wi-fi phone calls. when i want to make a phone call using wi-fi i just look to see the closes spot sit down have a cup of joe and be about to use the same device everybody else is paying 80$ for a month. you got to be willing. 960 a year in my pocket just because im willing to get to a wi-fi spot. btw right there is your ticket to Europe, quit spending money that you dont have. i only see one reason to go into debt. and thats for a house and house only well maybe to start up a biz or something like that too. you got to remember we are in a world that does tricks to get you to spend your earned cash. YOU have to protect it. main reason y i use a cell phone for example is i know a few people that would goto next door or to a friend for food before they would let there blackberry laps. them are the kind of people i will not help. and 9 to 9 hours? crap dude thats not bad man your young do it now make as much as you can save money back. i was always stuck working 6 am to dark. much harder work then sitting down on phone all day. not saying your job is easy but really sit back and think about people thats working in a slandered factory for 12 hours a day. there is always somebody that has alot less then what you have.

dont even say your scared to change jobs cuz of blahblahblah. to me its the same deal as a chick not wanting to leave her boyfriend because he was abusive. its only going to solve by separating. if your not willing to leave then problem will stay as well. only you can change it. and if you dont only you is to blame.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I think that at birth you should be given a fair plot of land that is yours when you turn 18 and you are free to do whatever it is you need.

1 acre per person aint bad.
Go to school do your things make your money, build your house or turn your land into a farm. sounds fair.

Right here is part of the problem. people forgot how to work for something or to earn something. everything has to be handed to them. they think just from birth something is owed to them. that has never been the case. its upto you to earn it work for it. you want that acre of land? work for it buy it. quit being so lazy and scared of work..

Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by GeminiSky

 

Hehe maybe it's a sign that you should change career paths?

I just watched the video it's great, but in New York most people are so far away from our original way of life that most think it there's nothing wrong with our current system.

edit on 22-2-2011 by freedish because: (no reason given)

Why do you say that? The people of New York are honest, working people who pay very high rent on their appartments. Pehaps most people on ATS are so self-entitled they feel there are better than everyone else who ever existed and that they should not work.

Reality check: all people except the most elite in the history of mankind have had to work. And not work like we do now, but work for survival.

Then, if you did not make ends meet, you starved or went exposed to the elements. Now, if you dont work our western governments will prop you up with welfare, government housing and food stamps.

Your all whiny children who need to realize money is not whats important in life.

And if you think going back to "living of the land" is easier your delusional.

Having to work, not so much, but it all depends on the definition of ''work''.

Wow, thanks to the OP for posting this. Exactly my thoughts...I always thought that our working lifestyle is not the way it's supposed to be. Our capitalism doesn't work. People get sick, doctors earn off those sick people and never even help them and refuse to accept widespread problems like Candida etc.

I'm close to your age and I was always terrified by working for someone else. In fact, due to health reasons I stopped studying and started my own company. Now I probably work more than 9-5 but I also earn a lot more than others and I plan to retire when I'm 30 so I can stop working.

I certainly dont want to be one of those sheeple who work their whole lives only to pay off their RETARDED home loans. Who in their right mind would loan money and pay it off for the rest of their life? Home loans are the biggest scam EVER totally ignored by the majority, but that's another story.

. Anyway, all the time I'm asking myself .. for what? For that great house, that car, that phone.. for what? I dont need that #. Sorry, but quite honestly .. capitalism makes us greedy unhealthy bastards. I don't know if I will ever get in a position to change something in this world, but I will give it a try. Ironically you need money to change something in this world. I certainly dont think we should all live like buddhists, but not like this.

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by GeminiSky

 

Hehe maybe it's a sign that you should change career paths?

I just watched the video it's great, but in New York most people are so far away from our original way of life that most think it there's nothing wrong with our current system.

edit on 22-2-2011 by freedish because: (no reason given)

Why do you say that? The people of New York are honest, working people who pay very high rent on their appartments. Pehaps most people on ATS are so self-entitled they feel there are better than everyone else who ever existed and that they should not work.

Reality check: all people except the most elite in the history of mankind have had to work. And not work like we do now, but work for survival.

Then, if you did not make ends meet, you starved or went exposed to the elements. Now, if you dont work our western governments will prop you up with welfare, government housing and food stamps.

Your all whiny children who need to realize money is not whats important in life.

And if you think going back to "living of the land" is easier your delusional.

edit on 23-2-2011 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

I agree 1000% with this!

Instead of people demanding fair treatment from their boss and a repsectable pay, they say crap like "oh work is unnatural". BS! We have a lot of delusional folks on this board who think living in the woods like pre-historic man is somehow cool and they should try it as well.

Just look at shows like "Ultimate Survival" or "I Should'nt Be Alive" to see how kool it really is.....maybe you will last a week or two if your lucky. These people either need to get with the program, like our muslim friends in the middle east, or just shut up and go kill yourself in the woods.

Seriously! Its one thing to be romantic and its quite another to be foolish/stupid!

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by GeminiSky

 

Hehe maybe it's a sign that you should change career paths?

I just watched the video it's great, but in New York most people are so far away from our original way of life that most think it there's nothing wrong with our current system.

edit on 22-2-2011 by freedish because: (no reason given)

Why do you say that? The people of New York are honest, working people who pay very high rent on their appartments. Pehaps most people on ATS are so self-entitled they feel there are better than everyone else who ever existed and that they should not work.

Your all whiny children who need to realize money is not whats important in life.

And if you think going back to "living of the land" is easier your delusional.

edit on 23-2-2011 by nightbringr because: (no reason given)

Because people in New York are so far away from nature that the only things they know of it is what they see on animal planet and the occasional trip to a 'park' where they can sit next to a withered shrug and a few pigeons. When I was there 4 years ago I felt very excluded from nature.

So how are these people being interviewed supposed to know of any 'other' way of life? Maybe this is not the best sample for this survey?

Your all whiny children who need to realize money is not whats important in life.

How can you judge me and everyone else in this thread when you don't even know us?

Pehaps most people on ATS are so self-entitled they feel there are better than everyone else who ever existed and that they should not work.

We've been going back and forth for a while now and it seems like you're still missing the point of the OP. He's not complaining about having to work, but rather that the type of work we do in this current system feels un-natural. And I'm starting to wonder if you ever read past the second line of my responses.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
I think that at birth you should be given a fair plot of land that is yours when you turn 18 and you are free to do whatever it is you need.

1 acre per person aint bad.

Even British Feudal Serfs typically had 30 acres on average.

Realistically, unless we defend and fortify our own land,
there is no guarantee that we'll be able to keep it.
Promises on paper can be torn up and destroyed.

Go to school

only if it's volitional.
With a diversity of education providers.
Including many options of being with family.

Genuises are more likely to arise when children are surrounded by adults.
Peers are merely a social distraction and don't give incentive to excel.
Can learn much more spending time with active adults,
since adults know so much more than child peers.

do your things make your money,

Ya exactly, can produce your own products.
Money is just pieces of paper, can make those also.

Remember with fiat-currency
most people only get to hold onto money, for a little while,
only Central-Banks actually "make money".

build your house or turn your land into a farm.

In my mind farm has many negative connotations,
such as raping of the soil on an annual basis,
and destruction of ecological habitat.

So preference towards permaculture forest gardening.
Tending to and working with nature for creating plethora and abundance.

I agree that having to "work" for money is unnatural and for the most part degrading. Having someone else control your destiny is the worst part. Survival of the fittest no longer applies. Step out of the way and let evolution do it's job.