All the things you didn't want to know...in your food, in your drinks, in your bathroom, and in you

I was eating a Cobb salad from Wal-Mart today & as soon as I bit into the lettuce I could taste the pesticides sprayed all over it! But I ate half of it, so I wouldn't feel bad about wasting money on sh!t that was going to make me sick later. Needless to say, about an hour after eating it, I became depressed & pissed off & sleepy.

Dear Sir, I totally agree with you. I think that the problem is, that people just don't give a damn anymore. So many people are bitching and moaning, but nobody is doing anything. The more I read these posts, the more I believe that "the sheeple" of the world are doing exactly as they have been programmed to do. Hear me out. The ads we watched on televison growing up, told us what to use, what to wear, what to buy, what we eat, how to look, how to talk. The television shows we watched told us the exact same. Which by the way is getting worse. The problem is the Wal-Mart generation that we have become. They are the real problem. They sell us the products that everyone buys. The food that everyone eats. (I am by no means totally blaming Wal-Mart, there are countless other retailers out there that are doing the same thing.) They don't care about us. They only care about two things. Money and Power. Sounds like the people of our government, huh. I really want to thank you for this thread, and I would like to help spread the word. People...start growing your own food , try using alternative sources for cleaning, (yourself, clothes, car, home, etc..etc..) Try using a different toothpaste. Baking soda works just as well. Flouride is in everything right now, including water. I could go on and on...I hope you all get the point. On a darker note. Who am I to say anything? With all the doom and gloom going on in the world right now, you might not be around long enough to enjoy the benefits. Just saying.....

People still fail to recognize the real enemy. This is all part of Eugenics and the elites' idea that the world is over populated as stated in Memorandum 200.

reply to post by DragonSpirit2

"""Even things such as using toilet paper, coffee filters, and paper towels can have adverse health effects on you because they have to bleach those products to make them white. Those types of things can leech off the products and into your coffe and into your skin etc.... """

I have to say, that I have never thought about those things. Thanks for that information. That alone is going to make me think about others.

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by Max_TO

 

I know this is hard to believe but reverse osmosis water is not good for you, it's not bad for you it's just not good for you either. Essentially reverse osmosis water is "dead" it has no vitamins or minerals in it like water should. The best water for you is actually water from say a REAL mountain spring fed stream or something like that or water run through a Berkey water system.

It's just an internet myth that the body needs to absorb vitamins and minerals via drinking water. As far as I'm aware there is no science to support this.

Pure water is the best thing a person can drink. The amount of minerals in water is completely negligible in comparison with the amount of minerals in food.

reply to post by spikester

I've read most of the comments, anyone mention air pollution, perfumes, legal and illegal drugs such as smokes,alchohol, home made designer drugs, ect.......?

Most legal drugs (including alcohol) are terrible for you. There are quite a few illegal drugs that are completely harmless and/or less harmful than alcohol (that stuff kills brain cells, why would anyone want to take it?).

I'm not surprised lol . This has been the norm for many years now and olny just realised that its this BIG!

Its a good thing I don't drink anything besides water.

I hope everyone takes into consideration what i have said.

I am hoping that everyone listens to everyone else. All opinions are valid and are not to be discounted, a point from a different perspective is always a good thing. I love to see things from every angle and where I may be stubborn and have already made up my mind about some things, I am still more open than most to change in my ideas and my opinions, that's how we evolve after all. If our opinions stayed rigid and never changed life would be pretty boring.

Hope you all are refreshed by this thread I have tried my best to stay involved and engaged which I notice some OPs do not. Keep it coming guys.......I could talk about this forever.....I love this type of discussion and where as we may already know these things others do not so the longer we discuss the more eyes get a look at all of the info and links presented here that could improve the health of many people. Very proud of all of you

Originally posted by Twainfan
only saw this mentioned once but it's worth repeating.. BPA (bisphenol A) is in all food cans and in most plastics. Microwaving your food (that came from a can) in a plastic container releases even more of this stuff. a little video about it: www.youtube.com... it causes breast and testicular cancer, diabetes and hyperactivity.

Another thing to look for is Hydrogenated oils! These things are basically plastics in liquid form. It's been argued that before hydrogenated oils were developed, there was no such thing as type 2 diabetes. I have personal proof of this stuff causing problems. I developed eczema on my leg .. after countless hours of researching I found out about hydrogenated oils. I have since cut all of these oils from my diet and the eczema cleared up. The body cannot handle these artificial oils so it tries to excrete it out thru the skin causing all sorts of skin problems (acne, eczema, psoriosis etc). For those that would argue against that... hydrogenated oils are a preservative.. if they can keep food from spoiling for months (if not years) on the shelf, what does that stuff do to your body?

Not quite correct. The thing you need to look out for are what nutritional labels call 'partially hydrogenated fats'. These are fats (or oils, same thing) that have trans double bonds in their structure and cannot be metabolised by our bodies. They thus remain as stored, undigestible fat in your adipose tissue. In America these were actually banned, but they are yet to be banned in most other countries.

Also, the oils you eat and plastics are markedly different - both chemically and physically. Plastics are not simply the 'liquid form' of the hydrogenated oils in foodstuffs.

Did anyone know that "scientifically" margarine is one molecule away from being plastic. Wild animals will not go near margarine by itself not even ants.

Or so I have heard, therefore we use trace amounts of real butter only no margarine in this house.

Originally posted by hypervalentiodine

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by hypervalentiodine

 

"In terms of you claims regarding aluminium, I mean that there are no articles that I know of that have investigated its affects. So we don't actually know if it's good or bad because nothing has been done on it."

Relationship between aluminum and alzheimers does exist

Aluminum info and studies

3 Personal Hygeine Mistakes That Could Be Harming Your Health


" If so, then the reason these studies were discounted was because every other study published after the ones published by the guy peddling Laetrile found that it not only had no statistically significant affect in terms of treating cancer, it was also lethal to the subject. There have been multiple instances of people dying following consumption of either one of amygdalin or Laetrile due to cyanide poisoning."

Why We Are Losing The War On Cancer (B17 Laetrile)

Informative article on the stance many holistic physicians and naturopaths are taking regarding B17 Laetrile and cyanide poisoning

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by hypervalentiodine

 

Same thing is more than likely true about all of the other things mentioned and I for one am not risking it. It has been theorized, studied, and scrutinized and some people say it's bad also some people say it's not.......Just because the mainstream media and/or medical journal magazines haven't published it doesn't mean there's no proof or that these are unfounded claims.......

But this isn't just in medical journals. The information I got was from a range of scientific publications. You don't want to risk these things based on claims by people with no either credentials and/or no actual data to back up their claims, and that's fine, it's your choice and I'm not going to sit here tell you that you must reconsider. I personally like to base my opinion off scientific literature and the data that they present, but that's my years as a scientist talking. I would never trust any mainstream media or alternative media journalist article that is relaying scientific information. More often than not, these articles are riddled with errors and misguided 'truths' that either puts the science out of context or completely misquotes what it means (i.e. it's just wrong). Anyway, back on topic. There is no proof that your aluminium thing is an unfounded claim just as there is also no proof that it is founded - that's what I meant.

That's totally cool I understand.

*sister

OOOPS

And neither am I. As I may have eluded to, I have a science education and so I like coming into these threads simply so that I can debate the science, not so I can actively sway people's opinions.

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Well as you can see I'm into the alternative side of things. I just graduated Massage Therapy School, so I just had 6 months of college level A&P, Kinesiology, and Pathology. My sister is a holistic healthcare practitioner, nutritional consultant, and master herbalist, and she owns her own natural hygiene products company and website. So a lot of what I get comes from her study materials she is being sent by a holistic college in order to get a Bachelor's degree. So I'm not just quoting articles, but actual holistic study materials from a college out of Cali.

Remember:

Big FARM and BIG Pharm are in bed together.
There is no money in cures.
There is less money in preventative medicine and alternative medicine (if they can't pill, shoot, radiate or dose you it wont work)

OF COARSE the power that be are poisoning the Goyim.

PEOPLE take the land/wealth and world back!!!

Put down your store bought goods, FARM, get some fresh air, sweat, burn some calories, release some toxins and EARN WHAT YOU HAVE WORKED FOR INSTEAD OF GIVING IT AWAY!

Once upon a time we got out what we put into our labors.
Now we labor to give it away to those who would poison us for $.

The food revolution is just a part of it.

Imagine if you will a world where you work 2 days a week at a shared job say.... Roofing, Trimming trees, Hanging wire for power, plumbing etc. The rest of the week you spend with your FAMILY growing food, teaching the kids and taking an active roll in the advancement of life here, clean and clear.

WE MUST get the parasites off of us. Put the lobby out the door and take back our land, mind and spirit.

Food is MEDICINE! Humans spent the last 145k years without it and medicines early days go back to 3000 BC in Egypt and was FOOD and HERBS!!! We made it this far with restless leg syndrome, I think we can make it a little further.

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
Did anyone know that "scientifically" margarine is one molecule away from being plastic.

I agree that butter is a far better food than margarine but this statement is puzzling. Do you have a source for this or is this just another oft-repeated statement with no basis?

reply to post by pteridine


My apologies that is something that I have heard repeated over and over again for the last few years and actually believed it to be true but I did just look it up and the point being made when the quote was said was just for emphasis and to make the writer of the article come across more strongly.

My apologies

Even knowledgeable people make mistakes.

Originally posted by mutantgenius

Originally posted by Gixxer
how do you explain the avg life expectancy as high as it is now , compared to 100 years ago since all of this stuff is so bad?

I don't really have any facts to back this up...but....I think the average life expectancy is in decline....cancer, chidhood diabetes, strokes and heart attacks in 20-30 yr olds, wars etc.. I don't think we can really say that our generation is going to live quite a long life as our grandparents, who by the way, weren't exposed to half the # in their formative years of growth as our children are. Its all cummulative. Also, what's the quality of life going to be in those latter years? Especially for someone who is morbidly obese, imagine carrying all that weight around on your old, brittle bones? Or an elderly person on agressive chemo-therapy? That's my opinion.

Your right the quality of life is the key,you see the increase of dementia,alzheimers,parkinsons,rheumetiod arthritis only to name a few.Who would want to live a long life under these conditions?I didn't know anything about these chemicals until my son was diagnosed with a condition that is directly linked to aspartame,that was two years ago and I have changed what we eat,to the shampoo we use and drink bottled water.I do have a well but I'm sure that's polluted also.I also question some conditions that came out of nowhere back in the 80's when aspartame first hit the market,I carried a tumor(size of a grapefruit) on my placenta when I was pregnant with my second child,my Dr never found out why I had it.and I didn't have a clue about aspartame back then.This angers me so much,never will I trust the government and the agencies under them.

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by hypervalentiodine

 

Relationship between aluminum and alzheimers does exist

Aluminum info and studies

3 Personal Hygeine Mistakes That Could Be Harming Your Health

I apologise that I won't be able to reply to these sites straight away. Normally I would scrutinise them to see what I can find and reply all at once, but I am currently running late for lab (I'll get on to it later though)

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by hypervalentiodine
Why We Are Losing The War On Cancer (B17 Laetrile)

Informative article on the stance many holistic physicians and naturopaths are taking regarding B17 Laetrile and cyanide poisoning

Forgive me for not trusting the words of a thread on GLP as the truth. Look, regarding the cyanide poisoning, I know there are websites that claim that because the cyano group is attached to a larger molecule, it is fine and won't hurt you. This isn't true in the case of Laetrile or amygdalin. There are enzymes possessed by the fauna in our small intestine that readily metabolise amygdalin into another compound similar in structure to Laetrile. These compounds are then further metabolised to release the cyanide moiety, thereby causing poising. Let me ask you this: if we imagine that the cyanide didn't hurt you, Laetrile had never been taken off the market and was still peddled by the FDA and WHO, would you still be all for it? Would you see the -CN group in the structure and decide that, 'no it's okay, it won't hurt me because it's tied into part of a bigger molecule'? Probably not. What I'm getting at is that the people who try and push Laetrile of amygdalin as an anti-cancer drug are only seeing what they want to. It's almost as if they only want to believe it works because the FDA doesn't approve of it. In the phase 1 trials of amygdalin, 2 out of the 6 subjects developed symptoms of cyanide poisoning (one of which is death).

Originally posted by TWILITE22
Your right the quality of life is the key,you see the increase of dementia,alzheimers,parkinsons,rheumetiod arthritis only to name a few.Who would want to live a long life under these conditions?I didn't know anything about these chemicals until my son was diagnosed with a condition that is directly linked to aspartame,that was two years ago and I have changed what we eat,to the shampoo we use and drink bottled water.I do have a well but I'm sure that's polluted also.I also question some conditions that came out of nowhere back in the 80's when aspartame first hit the market,I carried a tumor(size of a grapefruit) on my placenta when I was pregnant with my second child,my Dr never found out why I had it.and I didn't have a clue about aspartame back then.This angers me so much,never will I trust the government and the agencies under them.

Directly linked to aspartame? And what might that be? You can't blame the tumour on aspartame just because it happened to come out the same time as you developed it. Cancer is a multistep and complicated process. One thing alone cannot cause mass cancer growth. Possibly you were genetically predisposed and/or exposed to some sort of mutagen (aspartame is not a mutagen). In any case, there is a difference between causal affect and coincidence.

Originally posted by moleskin
Great post and I think, if we can expand it to focus on the DO's and Guidelines rather than the Don'ts - then as its more positive in nature and direct in action it might act as a great guide for others to follow.

What I do know is that you don't need to be a scientist to realize we, as humans, are a part of the natural chain of things. We are connected to all things natural as they are to us. Whilst we like to separate ourselves from the natural world, we are still enslaved to it in some ways.

BUT by using the terms enslaved, what I really mean is dependent upon it for our food and nutrition. Therefore it makes perfect sense that the more natural or in-line with nature we eat, the healthier our minds and bodies should also be.

We have evolved from a survival perspective far better than most creatures on this planet. We have a massive range of foods available to support our growth, health and well-being. But we were never designed to take on-board excessive levels of dangerous metals and/or chemicals. At some point or another our systems will trip up as a result - be it through illness or disease.

Natural Pregnancy Rates are down, gender benders are on the up, as is obesity, auto immune diseases. Maybe the science hasn't yet connected the dots, but surely, a healthy body and mind can only be achieved through the most natural, and dare I say it, sustainable practices we can work with?

There is an irony in the world presently, the Westernized Populations are grossly overweight, consuming too much garbage, whilst many of the human race in non Westernized (underdeveloped) countries are severely underweight. What unites those two groups is that both are most probably malnourished - neither consumes anything of real nutritional quality. What is sad is that the overconsumption spent on food by westernized people could be re-directed to sustainable farming practices on a macro scale... but thats a whole other subject.

My tips or suggestions:

1. Grow as much fruit, veg and herbs as possible. This instantly removes some of the power of Big Corporate. Say no to convenience and get out there and tend to your vegie patches or planters. It's amazing how many people fill their gardens with nice trees, plants and flowers, yet have NO food coming from them - what a waste of soil, water etc etc. The other effect of growing as much as possible is simple, reduced carbon emissions from the food journey going out into the atmosphere - adding pollution to air/water systems.

2. Recycle - and no I am not talking about plastics etc - I am talking about food wastes and scraps. A few options here:

a - Get some Chickens - they love food scraps, and in return can help fertilize ground with a nice healthy by-product known as eggs - a great source of protein!!!!

b - Compost - yep, free fertilizer - probably not quite organic, but composting food wastes is a great way of keeping naturally degradable products from landfill, whilst creating a great substance for adding to your plants, thereby replacing some of the nutrients lost through the growing process.

c - Water - yes water too can be recycled. This ignores the flouride aspects, but your shower water, washing up water etc could all be used to water non food plants. Switching to environmentally friendly cleaning products severely lessons any impact these products have on the environment to almost none.

3. Eat Seasonally - yes we would all love bright red apples all year round, but lets be really honest here, how good do they taste all year round? Again storage of these perishables all year round is a massive strain on the environment. The foods need to be chilled and most probably caked in preservatives in order to look nice on the shelves.

4. Support local farmers/diaries/butchers etc - most but probably not all of the pre-mentioned groups have a great knowledge of the foods they produce and/or distribute. Years ago I worked for my uncle as a butcher kid assisting on the weekends and he knew the farms his meat came from. It cost slightly more, but it was fresh and superior in terms of nutritional quality when compared with supermarket meats. Again locally sourced produce has a much smaller environmental impact. Plus it keeps the money flow OUT of big corporate hands.

I could go on, but dont want the thread to die lol - but the big issues we face in some ways have been brought about by our love of convenience. We allowed the power of the few to control our food systems in order to have ease of access. The only way to change the system is to change our ways now. Nutritionally rich food may cost more, but we need a lot less of it to thrive on. I know I have veered slightly from the main chemically based conversation, but there is a massive link between the convenience consumers demand and the cost we pay, either financially or through poor health.

Moley

Good post. I must say that we have lost the ways of what our Neolithic ancestors were able to do. Nowadays we are only good in acquiring materialistic goods. Once piece of evidence that we are so accustomed to the status quo is eating crap. Pure crap. The isotopic carbon that makes up our current DNA mainly originates from corn now. Corn products and its derivatives are in almost everything we consume. At an atomic level this cannot be good. Some civilizations around the world did not grow up on corn, and now corn byproducts are everywhere.
Another sign that we are so accustomed to our poor diets is how naturalist Christopher Nyerges prepared a salad of wild greens he plucked from the field and fed it to his students. A lot of them felt strange and got sick because the greens they had ingested had too much vitamin content. It was too healthy for them!
This I can attest to as I've gone into indigenous populations of several countries and had their cuisine. It gave me a fever and I felt a lot of energy. Has anyone else experienced this. Excluding sea turtle soup, because this is a natural aphrodisiac.

reply to post by hypervalentiodine
I never said that it was the cause ,I said I was wondering could it have been the cause.What are you? a doctor?There are a lot of people on this site that answers post just to make themselves feel right about everything
what is up with that?Do you feel superior now that you have put me in my place?..........