All the things you didn't want to know...in your food, in your drinks, in your bathroom, and in you

reply to post by Solomons


Thanks for bringing this to our attention. This is the reason I encourage people to come up with their own things that were an issue for them.......I can't think of everything after all.

I'll admit...since moving to the city of Austin, I am increasingly lethargic. Everything about me is clearer, stronger, and better when I am in New Mexico working and climbing in the mountains (spring water, oats, and ranch raised buffalo for nutrition mostly) and here...even though I'm in the most active city in the state of Texas, I'm lethargic...drinking the water, eating grocery store foods (healthy foods and cooking for myself everyday), and breathing the crappy air (although the cleanest city in Texas), I still feel like crap, sleep like crap, and have a very limited drive. Ofcourse..it IS winter and winter in Texas blows because it's too cool to wakeboard. :-(

Thank goodness i live in Scotland a our water isnt Flouridated...i believe they are trying to push for it but so far it hasnt happened. I try to tell everyone about aspartame but there is only so much you can tell people without them thinking your a nutter. Me and my partner try to buy things without it. I dont have any body smell thankfully so i very rarely use deodrant.

Getting this word out and creating a movement of sorts is exactly what needs to happen. People need to WAKE UP...

S&F

reply to post by Xterrain


That's what excessive sugars, starches, chemicals such as sodium lauryl and laureth sulfate, and fluoride do they effect you neurologically and energy wise. Especially tap water (bottled is not any better it's just tap that has been filtered through a regular filter) i.e. it still has chlorine, arsenic, and fluoride in it. Even things such as using toilet paper, coffee filters, and paper towels can have adverse health effects on you because they have to bleach those products to make them white. Those types of things can leech off the products and into your coffe and into your skin etc....

reply to post by DragonSpirit2


Great thread. There is even more scientific data supporting these claims.

I feel a million times healthier and happier now that I am a vegetarian. I found it amazing just the difference from switching. The massive amounts of hormones, steroids, and antibiotics within the meat makes you sick. You just don't notice until you DETOX. Really that is what happens to your body when you just eat fruits and veggies for a week. You have food and chemical allergies and you don't even know it.

There are detox diets to prove this. They basically work like this. You eat fresh organic fruits and veggies for a week or so. Then you start adding things back into your diet slowly one at a time. Your body has already detoxed and will give you immediate feedback when you add something back into your diet that your body doesn't like. The points out the items your body would like you to stay away from.Its an experiment.

Oh and did I mention that you will not only feel healthier you will look it too. Actually you may look younger even. A diet which has a good amount of leafy green veggies is very good for the skin.

Don't forget about going back down to your natural weight very easily without much effort. Tack on a workout and you are blazing away toward your natural weight.

I'm not trying to convert anyone. Do what you wish. But whatever you chose to do I hope it is the healthiest choice because that will always be the happiest choice in the long run.

reply to post by DragonSpirit2


DONALD RUMSFELD DONALD RUMSFELD DONALD RUMSFELD DONALD RUMSFELD DONALD RUMSFELD

Names on Monsanto with hair on the coke can Judge Thomas (MONSANTO)

Rummie made an estimate of $7 a shot on the H1N1 vaccines....

Rummie got Aspartame turned from toxic waste to food additive.

Recent SERIOUS studies of fluoride effects:

1)National Research Council: EPA’s fluoride standards are unsafe

2) Harvard Study: Fluoridation associated with bone cancer in boys

3) Too much fluoride can damage the developing brain

4) Infant fluoride exposure linked to permanent tooth discoloration

5) Kidney patients at risk of chronic fluoride poisoning

6) Cornell scientist diagnoses fluoride poisoning in horses drinking fluoridated water

7) Fluoride exposure linked to kidney damage in children

8) Water fluoridation linked to higher blood lead levels in children from old homes

9) Dental fluorosis linked to tooth decay & psychological stress

10) Water fluoridation & the “Precautionary Principle”

11) Fluoride Compromises Brain Function

12) CDC reports 41% of 12-15 year-olds have dental fluorosis (too much fluoride in the body)

13) Increased risk of fluorosis from infant formula reconstituted with fluoridated water

14) At least one-quarter of UK population over-exposed to fluoride

15) Fluoride decreases bone strength

16) Fluoride increases serum lead concentrations

17) Fluoride disrupts cardiac function

18) Fluoride as a pro-inflammatory factor


And these are only RECENT studies in the past few years. There are many more. These were not seat f the pants experiments either. Serious lab work done by PhDs and their staff.

From: A Review of the 2010 Fluoride Literature
Link

After 50 yrs, US Government decides there is too much flouride in water. In a remarkable turnabout, federal health officials say many Americans are getting too much fluoride, and it's causing spots on children's teeth and perhaps other, more serious problems. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced plans Friday to lower the recommended level of fluoride in drinking water for the first time in nearly 50 years, based on a fresh review of the science. The announcement is likely to renew the battle over fluoridation, even though the addition of fluoride to drinking water is considered one of the greatest public health successes of the 20th century. The U.S. prevalence of decay in at least one tooth among teens has declined from about 90 percent to 60 percent.

Link

What is even worse.....fluoride is only proven to aid the teeth when use TOPICALLY. This has nothing to do with ingestion (drinking water). They went right from scrubbing the surface to putting it INTO the body.

There have been no studies of the long term affects. The FDA has NOT researched and approved this DRUG even though we are being forced to drink it. There is NO PROVEN studies regarding the efficacy of ingesting the chemical and there are MANY MANY studies which show it is a major health hazard.

Great points from everybody, everyone has named some terrific ideas. If you would like we could start talking about what to do about all these problems. Solutions if you will. Just an idea? Or we can keep listing things that can kill us LOL

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
Great points from everybody, everyone has named some terrific ideas. If you would like we could start talking about what to do about all these problems. Solutions if you will. Just an idea?

Or we can keep listing things that can kill us LOL

Well I posted my solution. I stopped eating meat and industrialized food.
Fluoride is even harder to avoid. it is in:
Tap water
Bottled water
hair care products
Even soda!

The US Govt just, I mean JUST, banned fluoride from being used on the crops we eat. They were dowsing our foods with this crap too. It is nearly unavoidable. We have to buy water from a spring source likely from another country. Coke and Pepsi literally are trying to buy up all the water sources they can find. They have fluoride in their bottled water. And people, please read the bottled water you drink. Most of the ones everyone buys are made by Coke or Pepsi. Yes they are into the water also. All the cheap brands are the bad ones...sorry. If it's not from a glacier or rain forest then 99% of the time there is fluoride in there also. And no, filtration is not effective...sorry for that as well.

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by hypervalentiodine

 

Some of these things I will not argue with however it depends on what you mean by scientifically unfounded, there are journals and journals and journals of medical notes and treatments that were used as long as fifty years ago on things that supposedly cured cancer and had a far higher success rate than chemo does but yet when the inventors of the method died their method died off with them or was discounted.

In terms of you claims regarding aluminium, I mean that there are no articles that I know of that have investigated its affects. So we don't actually know if it's good or bad because nothing has been done on it.

Hmm. About 50 years ago was when they were using amygdalin (stuff from apricot kernels) and Laetrile (similar, but not the same as amygdalin) to treat cancer, is that what you're talking about? If so, then the reason these studies were discounted was because every other study published after the ones published by the guy peddling Laetrile found that it not only had no statistically significant affect in terms of treating cancer, it was also lethal to the subject. There have been multiple instances of people dying following consumption of either one of amygdalin or Laetrile due to cyanide poisoning.

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by hypervalentiodine

 

Same thing is more than likely true about all of the other things mentioned and I for one am not risking it. It has been theorized, studied, and scrutinized and some people say it's bad also some people say it's not.......Just because the mainstream media and/or medical journal magazines haven't published it doesn't mean there's no proof or that these are unfounded claims.......

But this isn't just in medical journals. The information I got was from a range of scientific publications. You don't want to risk these things based on claims by people with no either credentials and/or no actual data to back up their claims, and that's fine, it's your choice and I'm not going to sit here tell you that you must reconsider. I personally like to base my opinion off scientific literature and the data that they present, but that's my years as a scientist talking. I would never trust any mainstream media or alternative media journalist article that is relaying scientific information. More often than not, these articles are riddled with errors and misguided 'truths' that either puts the science out of context or completely misquotes what it means (i.e. it's just wrong). Anyway, back on topic. There is no proof that your aluminium thing is an unfounded claim just as there is also no proof that it is founded - that's what I meant.

Originally posted by DragonSpirit2
reply to post by hypervalentiodine

 

Like I say though I am not trying to force anything down anyone's throat I am completely open minded for discussion and I am the last one to get holier than thou and preachy so don't believe me or others who believe very strongly about this. I totally believe in the Constitution and free speech and you are most definitely entitled to your opinion even if it goes against everything I believe and I would defend your right to do so under pain of death.....so go ahead brother believe, think, and say whatever makes you happy.

*sister

And neither am I. As I may have eluded to, I have a science education and so I like coming into these threads simply so that I can debate the science, not so I can actively sway people's opinions.

Wow, 46 flags. I've seen more damning threads than this on the subject and this one took off?
Was it the breast cancer part? I think I'm just going to throw that in any future thread title I have regardless of the subject, just so I could up my listener count by about 400%.

I didn't read your opener, because you're right. I can't do enough about it, so I don't even want to kniow. I'm all blue pill on this one. First time for everytrhing.

But this diet cherry pepsi is so darn good

I see no one mentioned yet the mercury they put in our children through vaccines and dental fillings; the whole plethora of artificial vitamins, and steroids and contraceptives and God knows what else we ingest on a daily basis, thinking they keep us healthy.

An excellent website, who cover all those points and a lot more, from a medical-scientific point of view, from water, to aspartame, to vaccines, to the oh-so-healthy soy, to our modern diet, all those bogus pandemics-to-be just to shoot us another miracle pill or vaccine; everything you need to know, researched and backed up by medical institutions is here:

the doctor within

There is a huge list of chapters; pick up your poison and learn about it. My special pick, for all the women on ATS:
Every woman needs to read this chapter now!

Years ago, I healed my kid of ADD and astma only with diet and natural products after reading this doctor's articles. This site is my nutritional bible.

only saw this mentioned once but it's worth repeating.. BPA (bisphenol A) is in all food cans and in most plastics. Microwaving your food (that came from a can) in a plastic container releases even more of this stuff. a little video about it: www.youtube.com... it causes breast and testicular cancer, diabetes and hyperactivity.

Another thing to look for is Hydrogenated oils! These things are basically plastics in liquid form. It's been argued that before hydrogenated oils were developed, there was no such thing as type 2 diabetes. I have personal proof of this stuff causing problems. I developed eczema on my leg .. after countless hours of researching I found out about hydrogenated oils. I have since cut all of these oils from my diet and the eczema cleared up. The body cannot handle these artificial oils so it tries to excrete it out thru the skin causing all sorts of skin problems (acne, eczema, psoriosis etc). For those that would argue against that... hydrogenated oils are a preservative.. if they can keep food from spoiling for months (if not years) on the shelf, what does that stuff do to your body?

reply to post by niceguybob


no Im not blaming you for your age. Generalities my friend, obviously there are exceptions to everything. mainly ATS'rs are the exception to many "rules/norms" as it reflects the most rare qualities in humanity. an open mind and inellectual thought.. and I include my Granny who was the MOST Awesomest as a pinnocchio donkey..little examples are Believing the garbage like "Reefer Madness" as a prime example. I used to live in cali 1993-2008, loved in Irvine, santa ana, north hollywood, petaluma, pt reyes, san diego, el cajon. i Loved california. but they are like the english who allowed the vikings to steal everything "because they are hungry and just wanted better life"

reply to post by DragonSpirit2

I've read most of the comments, anyone mention air pollution, perfumes, legal and illegal drugs such as smokes,alchohol, home made designer drugs, ect.......?
spike

reply to post by DragonSpirit2

The Berkey system people provide no data and do not define "bad stuff." They use activated carbon and their cartridges are overpriced. They are similar in action to Brita filters and if you get the fluoride option, they leach alumina into the water. You have to treat fluoride and then use the activated C and that still won't remove all of the alumina. BTW, aluminum is in anti-perspirant, not in deodorant as was stated previously. Read the labels if you are unsure of what you are buying. If Berkey actually cared about you, they'd tell you how to reactivate the spent carbon in your oven or sell you the 50 cents worth of carbon in their $50 cartridge. Of course they seal it so you can't reuse or recharge it.
Organic food is a nice touch if you can afford it but it costs more because the yields are lower. If it weren't for synthetic ammonia, the world population would be about 4 billion or so and really hungry. There are many who claim only natural things are good. Man is natural and so are all his works. So are poison ivy, sharks, bubonic plague, rattlesnakes, aflatoxin, tidal waves, and blizzards.
You should also know that water is a "chemical" as is everything else you come into contact with. Remember the old adage that "the poison is in the dose"....except for homeopaths, where there is not much of anything in the dose, except the placebo effect.

Great post and I think, if we can expand it to focus on the DO's and Guidelines rather than the Don'ts - then as its more positive in nature and direct in action it might act as a great guide for others to follow.

What I do know is that you don't need to be a scientist to realize we, as humans, are a part of the natural chain of things. We are connected to all things natural as they are to us. Whilst we like to separate ourselves from the natural world, we are still enslaved to it in some ways.

BUT by using the terms enslaved, what I really mean is dependent upon it for our food and nutrition. Therefore it makes perfect sense that the more natural or in-line with nature we eat, the healthier our minds and bodies should also be.

We have evolved from a survival perspective far better than most creatures on this planet. We have a massive range of foods available to support our growth, health and well-being. But we were never designed to take on-board excessive levels of dangerous metals and/or chemicals. At some point or another our systems will trip up as a result - be it through illness or disease.

Natural Pregnancy Rates are down, gender benders are on the up, as is obesity, auto immune diseases. Maybe the science hasn't yet connected the dots, but surely, a healthy body and mind can only be achieved through the most natural, and dare I say it, sustainable practices we can work with?

There is an irony in the world presently, the Westernized Populations are grossly overweight, consuming too much garbage, whilst many of the human race in non Westernized (underdeveloped) countries are severely underweight. What unites those two groups is that both are most probably malnourished - neither consumes anything of real nutritional quality. What is sad is that the overconsumption spent on food by westernized people could be re-directed to sustainable farming practices on a macro scale... but thats a whole other subject.

My tips or suggestions:

1. Grow as much fruit, veg and herbs as possible. This instantly removes some of the power of Big Corporate. Say no to convenience and get out there and tend to your vegie patches or planters. It's amazing how many people fill their gardens with nice trees, plants and flowers, yet have NO food coming from them - what a waste of soil, water etc etc. The other effect of growing as much as possible is simple, reduced carbon emissions from the food journey going out into the atmosphere - adding pollution to air/water systems.

2. Recycle - and no I am not talking about plastics etc - I am talking about food wastes and scraps. A few options here:

a - Get some Chickens - they love food scraps, and in return can help fertilize ground with a nice healthy by-product known as eggs - a great source of protein!!!!

b - Compost - yep, free fertilizer - probably not quite organic, but composting food wastes is a great way of keeping naturally degradable products from landfill, whilst creating a great substance for adding to your plants, thereby replacing some of the nutrients lost through the growing process.

c - Water - yes water too can be recycled. This ignores the flouride aspects, but your shower water, washing up water etc could all be used to water non food plants. Switching to environmentally friendly cleaning products severely lessons any impact these products have on the environment to almost none.

3. Eat Seasonally - yes we would all love bright red apples all year round, but lets be really honest here, how good do they taste all year round? Again storage of these perishables all year round is a massive strain on the environment. The foods need to be chilled and most probably caked in preservatives in order to look nice on the shelves.

4. Support local farmers/diaries/butchers etc - most but probably not all of the pre-mentioned groups have a great knowledge of the foods they produce and/or distribute. Years ago I worked for my uncle as a butcher kid assisting on the weekends and he knew the farms his meat came from. It cost slightly more, but it was fresh and superior in terms of nutritional quality when compared with supermarket meats. Again locally sourced produce has a much smaller environmental impact. Plus it keeps the money flow OUT of big corporate hands.

I could go on, but dont want the thread to die lol - but the big issues we face in some ways have been brought about by our love of convenience. We allowed the power of the few to control our food systems in order to have ease of access. The only way to change the system is to change our ways now. Nutritionally rich food may cost more, but we need a lot less of it to thrive on. I know I have veered slightly from the main chemically based conversation, but there is a massive link between the convenience consumers demand and the cost we pay, either financially or through poor health.

Moley