World Gripped By Anti-Government Riots; America Next?

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner

How much further will the American government have to push its people before riots similar to whats happening in Europe take place in your cities?

You just wait and see what happens if they ever pull American Idol off the air or try and mess with our Big Macs...

Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by CholmondleyWarner

 

The answer: unless you're American, it's none of your business. Worry about your own country.

I do... And since your country has been responsible for more British deaths through so called friendly fire,then any enemy we British have faced in recent times, you'll forgive me if I label your sad and pathetic response as contemptible and utterly pathetic... A bit like your good self....

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner


Then why are you so interested in them, if they're so contemptible to you? Why did you even start the thread----just to bait Americans into a chance for you to bash them? THAT'S pretty pathetic and weak, if you ask me.

reply to post by 00nunya00


Americans need bashing every now and then - you're all too self-aggrandizing.


On topic, they will continue to spread - revolutionary potential is plentiful and is only going to grow when taking into consideration some of the things we have around the corner such as: peak oil, food and water shortages, overpopulation, climate-change, loss of biodiversity, advancements in bio-genetics, the continuing failure of neoliberalism and global capitalism, the rise of China and a myriad of other factors that will contribute to major catalytic transition into a new epoch.

We just have to prepare to ride the wave.



PS - I wanna throw some fuel on the fire

Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by CholmondleyWarner

 

Then why are you so interested in them, if they're so contemptible to you? Why did you even start the thread----just to bait Americans into a chance for you to bash them? THAT'S pretty pathetic and weak, if you ask me.

Have another look. I didn't start this thread! Where on earth did you get the notion that I did? I reiterate, after years of watching and reading Americans saying how they would stand up to their government when, and if, the day ever came when the government tried to remove their rights and liberties, I was just asking what would be the catalyst that would spark this response? You are a country full of plastic Rambos, weekend soldiers, armed to the teeth who all think they can take on the world yet you can't face down your own government when they threaten to remove your civil rights and liberties. I say again, America, bow your head and shame. Land of the free and home of the brave..! Give me a break.

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner


Land of the Sheep and Home of the Slave...


I don't know what I dislike the most, America or the fact that a large part of the world follows their example. Things will change in America one day, but the sad thing is I think it will most likely be the rightards that take control - atleast initially - the conditioning is too deep.

reply to post by PeacefulGuerilla

I dont hate Americans! I holiday there twice a year and most yanks are really nice friendly people. My argument is with those who say they will fight to the end against their government. These Americans have guns, have large open spaces to hide in and openly decry that they will fight to the very end! However, now that the world wide revolution has suddenly emerged, Brits, Turks, Greeks French, Irish, etc, are all at the point that they are willing to stand up against their governments even though they run the risk of being shot and have no guns to protect themselves with. The one country that has citizens that do own guns and could fight back seems to me to have capitulated and thrown the towel in. All mouth and no trousers immediately comes to mind!
So, I say again, just what do the American government have to do to get some response from ordinary yanks!? Or have you all been lulled into a deep sleep by twenty four hour a day reality television. Are you a nation of geldings!?
"Come on America, wake up and join in!"

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner


LOL, you're right, my bad. You didn't start the thread.

It still is none of your business, however, when and why someone else's country chooses to revolt against their government. And guess what? A large portion of the country is content with their civil liberties and lifestyle. They have no motivation to revolt because the system, flawed as it may be, largely works for them. A revolution takes a vast majority of the country to agree, and that will take a lot here in the US. The difference between America and the rest of the world is that when you guys whine about wanting to fight back, you always have the "but we have no guns, woe is us" excuse. In the US, we have the opportunity to back up our claims, so we may threaten the use of revolt but we are quite aware of what the consequences and death toll of another American Revolution will bring. And I will repeat, all of those nutjobs you've been shown ranting about their guns are not a good sampling of American sentiment when it comes to revolution or killing people. If you really have spent as much time in the US as you claim, and actually listened to any number of people here, you would realize that, unless you're only vacationing in the deep south or other extreme-Right areas.

reply to post by PeacefulGuerilla


Sure, I agree. But honestly, every country is self-aggrandizing. No country is as great as it makes itself out to be. And the revolution will come to the US, but it will have to be really worth it for ordinary people with children to raise to go out and risk their lives and livelihoods. We've worked pretty hard to build up this haven that everyone in the world seems to want to flock to all the time, and we will need a threat to the country or Constitution that justifies possibly destroying everything we've achieved. We are not like most other countries; we have TONS to lose.

reply to post by 00nunya00


So, are you saying that these videos on youtube that I, and countless others have seen, are only posted by those living in the southern states? So the "United States" are not so united as your government would like them to be... If the government did suddenly turn on the American people would the northern states roll over while the southern ones fought tooth and nail against repression?

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner


Wow, for someone who professes to come over here all the time, you know absolutely nothing about this country. Your questions could be answered by any 5th grader in the US. Read the New York Times and then maybe the Atlanta Journal Constitution paper. There's a stark difference between the north's priorities and the south's. I was born and raised in the north and now live in the south. There's a huge difference, much to complicated to try and explain to you in one post.

reply to post by 00nunya00

Fair enough, thanks for the answer. By the way, I said I holiday there twice a year... Just because I visit there doesn't mean I'm going to envelope myself in your culture, politics and ideals. I honestly knew that there was a divide between the north and south, I just didn't realise how wide the divide was!
Is this caused by left over hostility from your civil war or is because the government implements policies that favour the north and not the south? If that's so it would make sense of all these videos made by disenchanted southerners angry at their leaders....

Not yet as the democratic process in place allows the venting of frustration by the public. However if the majority ever have an epiphany by discovering the facade of real control we at ATS know, then something might happen. Another variable is many middle class people that have been pushed to the point that they are willing to risk bodily injury protesting in the streets. I believe the undercurrent for that to happen is there but something huge has to trigger it. One thing is for sure, when the very fabric of civilization is threatened by revolution, soldiers particularly officers, have to make some very difficult choices. Shooting and killing your on civilian citizenry for officers even under orders, would be something at least some might not obey.

Because of the times…unemployment, hunger, housing, war, communists, capitalists, etc… people are looking for something. Unfortunately this is when false prophets, dictators and tyrants are swept into power, like the wave of love and idolatry the media and the populous where engulfed in, caused the Obamination to happen. Now it’s happening all over the world. Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, England, France, next Jordan. The world is ripening. It’s gunna pop like a ripe Mellon.
As Margo Channing said “Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night!

reply to post by CholmondleyWarner


Well that's a long story, and yes, it mostly begins with the civil war, or what southerners call "The War of Northern Aggression." Yeah, they actually call it that in public schools down here. It's in textbooks sometimes. But they're half-right; the north did impose a lot of crap on the south that didn't seem unreasonable to the north because they weren't as solely based in agriculture like the south was. So when they said "no more slaves" that broke the camel's back, not only because the southerners felt like slaves weren't "people" like white folks, but also because they completely depended on slaves to work their fields. They were owners of large plantations that fed a lot of people in the north, and there just weren't enough white or free people to keep up with the crop demands.

During the war, the north burned lots of fields and buildings and left the south starving in many places. They never forgot that. Lincoln also basically lied about not intending to free the slaves in one of his stump speeches to become POTUS, and then reneged, and that bred a lot of anti-government sentiment that just snowballed. Even after things calmed down after the war, then there was the issue of segregation that came to a head in the 60's; again, the "north" imposing standards on the south they resented. And all along the way, the south has been very poor because it has never been a technology-based economy; it continues to be mostly agricultural with growth in other not-good-career sectors like the incarceration business and toxic waste storage and whatnot. They just can't seem to get the economy going full speed, and its affects on education and quality of life just continue to breed resentment.

So yeah, people in the south are way crazier about their guns and gun rhetoric than northerners. Rebellion is part of the southerner's recent heritage, as evidenced by the bounty of Rebel flags flown down here. They are proud of it and keep it up even when a republican is president, although less so. We could have Utopia here in the south, and people would still be talking about their cold dead hands.

ETA: not to say that no Youtube videos of crazy gun people come from people living in the north, it's just that they are WAY less frequent and they are usually people who either lived in the south or have family there and identify with being a Rebel.

My thoughts on all this and some of the replies here...

Do I think we're in danger of an imminent revolution as things stand now? No. We're not there yet.

On the other hand, if the dollar collapses completely? Then I believe this could happen. If a large chunk of Americans were to lose their jobs, their homes, and the ability to feed their families we might see things start to change.

As I say every time I post in any topic like this, however, the key is that we need to commit to non-violence. Inciting violence is not the answer, and only serves to play into the hand of TPTB.

America next?
No.

Life may be hard, for me for a lot of people, the banksters be robbing, the politicians be lining their pockets, there is a lot of recourse, a lot of give in the system. Here they riot and no one really cares, they yell and nothing is really solved, the demographic time bomb went off in the 60's in AMerica, in the mid east india and china it is going off now, they have their 60's as we did fifty years ago, the thing is we need to revolutionize productivity in housing, and food and the environment the way we did for technology. right now my apple has more computational power than every computer on the planet when we put a man on the moon. 1 computer, retail at the apple store, more power than every computer on the planet 41 years ago, think about it.
We need a similiar productivity surge in energy, and the environment and in housing and food and unfortunately we need it right now, we have been slow on the draw avoiding the shadow of the demographic time bomb, those countries revolt because that is theri election day, democracy is voting the bums out every 2 to 4 to 6 to 8 years depending, not going to the streets every 10-20 years and kicking the king to the curb.

As a Brit now educated by my friend above about the divide between the north and south, I still have to announce myself as dumbfounded why ordinary decent Americans are allowing their government to implement policies which work to your detriment! They used to say here in the UK that what happens in America usually happens here! I think the phrase commonly used was if America sneezes the UK catches a cold... Could it work the other way? If revolution happens here in Europe and the United Kingdom how long will the USA last before the broom of revolution sweeps through the states!?

Originally posted by CholmondleyWarner
I still have to announce myself as dumbfounded why ordinary decent Americans are allowing their government to implement policies which work to your detriment!

Because we still feel we have the best lives of anyone in the entire world, all things considered. We're not willing to throw that all away for things that can be changed by Constitutional process, without the need for violence.

They used to say here in the UK that what happens in America usually happens here! I think the phrase commonly used was if America sneezes the UK catches a cold... Could it work the other way? If revolution happens here in Europe and the United Kingdom how long will the USA last before the broom of revolution sweeps through the states!?

No. Did you ever wonder WHY they used to say that? Because Americans don't care what y'all do in Europe, we and our ancestors left Europe for a reason, but y'all have always seemed very interested in (and dependent on) what we're doing. So now you've woken up and realized you can't just keep co-opting everything America does? Well, great, right on. We still don't care what you're doing over there, and if y'all want to have a little revolution, you can go right ahead. We'll make popcorn.

You are like SERIOUSLY obsessed with needing to see America overthrow its government, aren't you? It's been explained to you countless times but you still don't seem to get it. America has nothing to do with you. Let it go.