The Day Before Roswell

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
People perhaps of Mr. Lyne's opinion is the maximum speed is 300 miles per second.
Sure when Tesla said that people said he was crazy.
That beats 15,000 miles per hour and it does 90 degree turns as the crew and ship
experience no gravitational forces.
The wave goes through crew and ship, no seat belts required.
The radio pressure waves made by Tesla centered around the ship pushes its way
around the universe as everything about Roswell and ETs are a hoax.

If we as humans can make space ships why do we need to say ETs have crashed.
I can only figure out that Tesla has one big bag of goodies the cartels can't let go.

As i just said, accidents happens all the time. Even some of the alien spacecrafts crash from time to time.
ETs are not a hoax. The "Shadow Government" is good at deceiving the public. Have you heard of 'Project DOVE'? www.americanchronicle.com...

PUBLIC INFORMATION, DISINFORMATION

The Caretaker: "In order to protect all this information and the fact that the United States Government has evidence of our planet being visited by extraterrestrials, we developed over the years a very effective program to safeguard the information. We call it 'Project DOVE.' It is a complex series of operations by our military intelligence agencies to disinform the public."

They not only cover up UFO/ET cases, but they even covered up the U-2 spyplane as well www.olive-drab.com...
Military agencies to disinform the public. It is not unusual that covert agents (also called disinfo agents) spread disinformations.
TeslaandLyne, they lie, they LIE. Get over it.

So no, ETs are not a hoax. Betty and Barney Hill confirm that the aliens who abducted them are from Zeta Reticuli starsystem, about 40 light years away.
And the surviving Roswell alien admitted that they are from the Zeta Reticuli starsystem.
Another reported alien specie who visit Earth lives about 500 light years away.

www.youtube.com... Dr. Roger Leir - Alien implant tested
vodpod.com... Roswell debris tested
And as i told you, Batelle scientist Elroy John Center confessed to have analyzed the Roswell ET debris.

www.youtube.com... Cliff Stone and Bob Dean, former military persons who had top clearance to know about the different kind of alien species who are visiting Earth reveal what they know.

www.exopolitics.org... President Eisenhower made an agreement with another alien specie (from another starsystem) about if humans learn some of the alien technology, and in return the aliens abduct humans.

There is no cover up of ETs if all you hear is ET centric dialogue.
Perhaps all that ET talk is just plain lies.
Again
CHAPTER IV: SIGHTINGS

On real ships and no ETs.
There must be other chapters giving details on the money spent on all the information
on anything but the real truth.

We all agree there can be only one truth.
That truth about space ships and Tesla will not be told.
Some people have suggested the Tesla space ship but have not realized that there can
be no other space ship that we have witnessed only ships of Tesla's.

As far a I can tell the official word on space ships is ETs and I don't see people taking to
the streets on such matters.
People love the attention of their masters and ET stories.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
There is no cover up of ETs if all you hear is ET centric dialogue.
Perhaps all that ET talk is just plain lies.
Again
CHAPTER IV: SIGHTINGS

You are wrong, there have been made cover ups of UFOs and ETs. Roswell is a good example. And as i just told you, covert agents make a good job making cover up / lie stories.
So no, all that ET talk is not lies, and that's the truth. You should listen to for example Cliff Stone and Robert Dean, former military persons who had top clearance to know about the different kinds of alien species. And as i said, ET spacecrafts crash from time to time.
www.ufocasebook.com...
www.ufocasebook.com...
www.ufoevidence.org... www.rense.com... weirdplanet.net... www.youtube.com... www.youtube.com...
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www.youtube.com... UFOs, UFO crash, capture of one live Roswell alien, contact with ETs. And i see that Nikola Tesla is mentioned in this videoclip too, and i wonder why his name is mentioned here. I haven't seen this whole video yet. I'm about to watch the rest.

Both the caputered aliens in Brazil Varginha case, and the live Roswell alien used telepathy to communicate.

On real ships and no ETs.
There must be other chapters giving details on the money spent on all the information
on anything but the real truth.

We all agree there can be only one truth.
That truth about space ships and Tesla will not be told.
Some people have suggested the Tesla space ship but have not realized that there can
be no other space ship that we have witnessed only ships of Tesla's.

There is no documentation of any Tesla ship back in 1947. And so far so good you have not shown any documentation to back up your Tesla ship claim. It's only speculation on your part.
www.youtube.com...
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There is, however, documentation of aliens in cooperation with humans built 'crafts' and test them, but that is after 1947.

Originally posted by ipsedixit
...this is what ATS should be about and confirms what I have been reminded of on more than one occasion in other threads, that ATS has team depth and a lot of people who really know what they are talking about.

Indeed. That is one of the reasons I decided to become a member, instead of just lurking.

...Stanton Freidman as well and the connection between him and the info you later dug up. I'm sure he would be very pleased if he saw this thread.

I'm sure you're right. He always gets that grin of his, points his finger and says "ah HAH!!"

I of course sent him copies of all these years ago, right after I uncovered them.

Originally posted by A51Watcher
The biggest surprise was when I went to Hong Kong for a friends wedding, and of course went to their library. He came along with great interest and I started as usual a full month before Roswell to make sure I didn't miss anything. Day by day the film rolls by and... nothing! I can't believe my eyes because I had never come up empty before. The entire critical 2 weeks and -nada-. I keep going, and surprisingly not even the famous AAF captures flying disc story or the follow up balloon story was not run. But yet I keep going on sort of in stunned disbelief, then finally, a full 2 weeks AFTER Roswell, jackpot! The shiny fleet of 9 arrives during mid day as 100's of Chinese dock workers, and various townspeople watch in amazement at their speed and sharp movements.

1. Which library did you go to in Hong Kong to discover the Arnold's sighting ? Is this really the Roswell case that you are talking about ?

2. Cuttings from Oregon Journals in a Hong Kong library ? Would very much like to know which library.

3. I suppose your friend can read Chinese. Has he discovered any related Chinese News with the "dock workers"...etc ? Can you post them here ? I can find an interpreter for ATSers.

Fellow ATSers, I have started my own thread on UFOs.
Believers, skeptics, comedians and bystanders alike you are welcome to leave comments:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

von Braun proved he could make the Tesla space ship saucer
that was the D.C. outing.
see also here
www.videomedio.com...

that is complete 'official' story.

waiting for the Tesla mention but he is already denied by not giving him credit
as the only source of saucer space ship

read the Lyne investigations

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

use of government “experts”, high-ranking military know-it-alls, or so-called “scientific” witnesses, often interjected to pose as the ‘last word’ on a sighting. This attacks the truth, by attempting to impress the reader with the ‘high credentials’ of witnesses who in fact saw nothing, for the benefit of dupes who are still too ignorant to realize that the government lost its credibility long ago, and that high-ranking ex-military ‘experts’ rarely buck the system and are liars, even when, as ‘part of the plan’, they may pretend to be doing so;

Truman's signature was forged in relation to MJ12.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

von Braun proved he could make the Tesla space ship saucer
that was the D.C. outing.
see also here
www.videomedio.com...

that is complete 'official' story.

waiting for the Tesla mention but he is already denied by not giving him credit
as the only source of saucer space ship

Did Von Braun proved he could make the Tesla spaceship saucer that was the D.C. outing? What do you mean by D.C. outing? And where did he proved it? In that videoclip i provided? I didn't see any Von Braun proving that. Did i overlooked something there? I will check the video out again.

You're wrong, Tesla is not the source of saucer spaceship. It is the ET's who are the source of the spaceships visiting Earth.

read the Lyne investigations

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

use of government “experts”, high-ranking military know-it-alls, or so-called “scientific” witnesses, often interjected to pose as the ‘last word’ on a sighting. This attacks the truth, by attempting to impress the reader with the ‘high credentials’ of witnesses who in fact saw nothing, for the benefit of dupes who are still too ignorant to realize that the government lost its credibility long ago, and that high-ranking ex-military ‘experts’ rarely buck the system and are liars, even when, as ‘part of the plan’, they may pretend to be doing so;

That link have have no reality, and is more likely the work of disinformation. As i said to you, covert agents are doing a good job making cover ups / lie stories.

Truman's signature was forged in relation to MJ12.

As you can see in that video, President Truman created MJ-12, also the video show the capture of aliens from crashes in the United States and from that ET spacecraft that crashed in Africa, were the wreckage and the aliens were flown to the United States.
Another crashed UFO in England were also flown to the United States (not shown in that video), including capture of aliens.
Yeah, ET spacecrafts crash from time to time, as i previously said.

Stanton Friedman confirm the authenticity of MJ-12 www.stantonfriedman.com...

Right from the start the TFM has been the target of the debunkers. Phil Klass in a fast press release after Bill Moore publicized the EBD, TFM, and CTM, had claimed it was an obvious fraud since it made all kinds of mistakes compared to real Truman letters. He used the word “letter” nine times even though it is clearly headed “Memorandum.” Many have claimed that the typewriter was obviously from 1960 proving it was a fraud (no forensic document analysis was provided). Most claimed that the signature was identical to that on another memo from Truman to MJ-12 member Vannevar Bush. First measurements clearly indicated it was not an exact copy since the lengths of various segments seemed not to match. Randle provided the off-the-cuff opinion of Peter Tytell, a world-class Questioned Documents examiner. Moore, Shandera and I had sent a copy of the documents to PT who didn’t want his name used anywhere, and prepared no report, but apparently claimed the typewriter typeface was not in use until the 1960s. Randle quotes him thusly “It was just perfect because the whole thing of the twelve pages or however many pages it was. Most of the pages were just blank pages with just five words written on them like Top Secret or Appendix A or something like that.” In reality there were eight pages and only one, page 7, (not included by Randle) had “Appendix A.” Fortunately Dr. Robert M. Wood hired an expert, James A. Black, to perform a professional examination. On November 13, 1998, Black stated

My knowledge of typewriter fonts permits me to conclude that the letter was likely to have been typed by an Underwood Standard typewriter. The portions of the type font of the letter that can be clearly visualized match those of a typewriter exemplar of an Underwood Standard typed in May 1940.

So no, Truman's signature was not forged

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some of the von Braun information

What I recall of the Truman document was that a matching signature was found.

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

It would seem that, with the 38-year lapse between the first and second hoax, they could have done a better job, but alas, the government bunglers screwed up again. The error involved slander and fraud against deceased presidents Truman and Eisenhower, by forging their names on false documents which alleged an incident which never occurred. Such fraud and slander should not have been treated so lightly by law enforcement authorities in respect to the arrogant Pentagon officials, who clearly overstepped their authority, by falsifying actions taken by former (deceased) commanders-in-chief, ex post facto.

Originally posted by r00t999

Originally posted by A51Watcher
The biggest surprise was when I went to Hong Kong for a friends wedding, and of course went to their library. He came along with great interest and I started as usual a full month before Roswell to make sure I didn't miss anything. Day by day the film rolls by and... nothing! I can't believe my eyes because I had never come up empty before. The entire critical 2 weeks and -nada-. I keep going, and surprisingly not even the famous AAF captures flying disc story or the follow up balloon story was not run. But yet I keep going on sort of in stunned disbelief, then finally, a full 2 weeks AFTER Roswell, jackpot! The shiny fleet of 9 arrives during mid day as 100's of Chinese dock workers, and various townspeople watch in amazement at their speed and sharp movements.

1. Which library did you go to in Hong Kong to discover the Arnold's sighting ?

I think you are confused. I did not discover Arnold's sighting in Hong Kong. I made no mention of Arnold anywhere in the story about Hong Kong. Where did you come up with that idea?

Is this really the Roswell case that you are talking about ?

Yes. When I say two weeks after Roswell, anyone familiar with the UFO subject knows exactly what I mean.

2. Cuttings from Oregon Journals in a Hong Kong library ?

Once again you seem -very- confused. I made no mention of finding Oregon Journal "Cuttings" in Hong Kong anywhere in in the OP. Perhaps reading my post again -slowly- will help clear up your confusion on what I said I found.

3. I suppose your friend can read Chinese.

Yes, as a Hong Kong native he can read Chinese just fine.

Has he discovered any related Chinese News with the "dock workers"...etc ?

No. He has not done any further investigation. However there is "related Chinese News with the "dock workers"...etc ?" in the 1947 links posted here by ATS members, from Mainland Chinese newspapers on the same date that I found the clippings in Hong Kong.

Can you post them here ? I can find an interpreter for ATSers.

Citizens of Hong Kong are bi-lingual. English is a required 2nd language. No interpreter needed.

...Fellow ATSers, I have started my own thread on UFOs.

At last, I was waiting for the other shoe to finally drop. Yes I went and looked at your thread. Now I understand the source of your "confusion".

Thanks for your reply.

Can you kindly educate me what exactly did you mean when you said (in your own words):

"The biggest surprise was when I went to Hong Kong for a friends wedding, and of course went to their library. "

What is "the biggest surprise" ?

What did you discover in Hong Kong ?

What did you find in their library ?

Which library did you go to ?

Originally posted by A51Watcher
No. He has not done any further investigation. However there is "related Chinese News with the "dock workers"...etc ?" in the 1947 links posted here by ATS members, from Mainland Chinese newspapers on the same date that I found the clippings in Hong Kong.

Please kindly educate me:

Can you show me the "related Chinese News" ?
Can you tell me which "Mainland Chinese newspapers" ?
What "clippings" did you find in Hong Kong ?

Originally posted by r00t999

Can you kindly educate me what exactly did you mean when you said (in your own words):
What is "the biggest surprise" ?

The biggest surprise(s) were what I found in the library.
First one was what I didn't find during the expected period, second one was what I DID find, much later than the expected period.

What did you discover in Hong Kong ?

news clippings (see above)

What did you find in their library ?

News clippings.

Ok, specifically, the biggest surprise was finding NO flying disc newspaper clippings in Hong Kong during the normal two week period that I always found clippings for while searching libraries in the US. (The two weeks before Roswell.) Not even the famous -Army Captures Flying Disc- story was there. Now...stay with me here... no flying disc stories in Hong Kong for still yet -another- two weeks AFTER Roswell.... Then... the Hong Kong newspaper clippings -finally- had a flying disc Headline two weeks AFTER Roswell: Hundreds of dockworkers... etc.

Which library did you go to ?

The city central downtown library. (Park on the south side of Kowloon Ave, bring change for the meter.)

Originally posted by r00t999

Originally posted by A51Watcher
No. He has not done any further investigation. However there is "related Chinese News with the "dock workers"...etc ?" in the 1947 links posted here by ATS members, from Mainland Chinese newspapers on the same date that I found the clippings in Hong Kong.

Please kindly educate me:

Can you show me the "related Chinese News" ?

Can you tell me which "Mainland Chinese newspapers" ?

What "clippings" did you find in Hong Kong ?

A) Of course I can. That sighting along with all other international sightings are part of the massive 1947 compendium I am currently compiling from the tips ATS members have provided.

B) Not off the top of my head, right now sorry. ummm... Mao's morning edition mebbe?

C) The flying disc's landed, Tesla stepped out and shook everybody's hand! (He was wearing blue skin dye, so he would appear to be a Keebler elf.)

ok actually, my previous reply explains the clippings

Originally posted by A51Watcher
Ok, specifically, the biggest surprise was finding NO flying disc newspaper clippings in Hong Kong during the normal two week period that I always found clippings for while searching libraries in the US. (The two weeks before Roswell.) Not even the famous -Army Captures Flying Disc- story was there. Now...stay with me here... no flying disc stories in Hong Kong for still yet -another- two weeks AFTER Roswell.... Then... the Hong Kong newspaper clippings -finally- had a flying disc Headline two weeks AFTER Roswell: Hundreds of dockworkers... etc

Can you elaborate on this "dockworkers" news story ?

If this is such a surprise, I am sure that you will remember or at least note down the name of this Hong Kong Newspaper and took a photo. Can you tell us the name of this newpaper ? Can you show us a photo of the newspaper ?
.

The city central downtown library. (Park on the south side of Kowloon Ave, bring change for the meter.)

There is no library called the "City Central Downtown Library" in Hong Kong.
I happen to have a map of the city of Hong Kong. There is no such street/avenue called the "Kowloon Ave/Avenue".
Also, the Central Library is not the place you go to for old newspaper clippings, unlike small towns...

Your "Hong Kong experience" appears to be a hoax to me

Originally posted by A51Watcher
B) Not off the top of my head, right now sorry. ummm... Mao's morning edition mebbe?

C) The flying disc's landed, Tesla stepped out and shook everybody's hand! (He was wearing blue skin dye, so he would appear to be a Keebler elf.)

There is no such newspaper called "Mao's morning edition". Never.

For C) Are you discrediting yourself ??

Originally posted by A51Watcher
Ok, specifically, the biggest surprise was finding NO flying disc newspaper clippings in Hong Kong during the normal two week period that I always found clippings for while searching libraries in the US. (The two weeks before Roswell.) Not even the famous -Army Captures Flying Disc- story was there. Now...stay with me here... no flying disc stories in Hong Kong for still yet -another- two weeks AFTER Roswell.... Then... the Hong Kong newspaper clippings -finally- had a flying disc Headline two weeks AFTER Roswell: Hundreds of dockworkers... etc.

Even if your "Hong Kong experience" is real:

What is so "surprising" about that ? Much more time was required to get news to spread around in those days.

It is quite reasonable that it took 2 weeks to deliever the story from USA to Hong Kong (and got translated and published) in 1947.

It was 1947 for goodness sake, not 2011 !!

These videos provided much insight about what is going on.

then finally, a full 2 weeks AFTER Roswell, jackpot! The shiny fleet of 9 arrives during mid day as 100's of Chinese dock workers, and various townspeople watch in amazement at their speed and sharp movements.

What would be really amazing (although highly unlikely given the amount of work needed), would be to try and find any reports of sightings or unusual aerial phenomena in other countries between China and USA during those full 2 weeks after the Roswell incident.

Perhaps from that a sort of flight-path could be worked out; unless of course they just teleported between countries or travelled so fast that tracking/sightings become unlikely.

The reason I suggest this is that their 'rock concert' style tour of cities seems rather slow to me, so maybe worth looking into flight paths IMO.

Cheers Great thread!

Originally posted by r00t999

For C) Are you discrediting yourself ??

You don't believe in Elves?

Went tk the local library with my 13 year old today so he could get some books for hole school and went through 2nd half of '45 and first half of '46 and so far no mention of UFOs, discs or saucers.

Will pick up where I left off during our next trip to the library.

I did notice that beginning in '45 there were several articles on the new 'jets' that would soon be joining the ranks of American fighting might. There were also a few articles in '46 on nuclear testing compete with photos of mushroom clouds and layman's simplification of technical specifications.

The only issue was that there were stretches that had blocks of days missing; as many as 3 or 4 days would be skipped. Sometimes it would be mon-wed or a different dyas such as tue-thu, other times it would merely be 1 day not scanned. There were also instances where there would be 2 or 3 consecutive copies of the same day scanned.

These are all the orjninal microfilm on loan to the library directly from the newspaper in question.

Regardless, it's a fun little project and also gives me a chance to discuss local history with my son.