'Stop snitching': Flyers posted on shooting estate warn residents not to help police with murder i

reply to post by deltaboy


Your post really disturbed me, so i thought I'd remind people of this:

They picked Akanni up one morning
Beat him soft like clay
And stuffed him down the belly
Of a waiting jeep.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

They came one night
Booted the whole house awake
And dragged Danladi out,
Then off to a lengthy absence.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

Chinwe went to work one day
Only to find her job was gone:
No query, no warning, no probe -
Just one neat sack for a stainless record.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

And then one evening
As I sat down to eat my yam
A knock on the door froze my hungry hand.
The jeep was waiting on my bewildered lawn
Waiting, waiting in its usual silence.

-Niyi Osundare

Just because it's not you this time, doesn't mean that it won't be the next. Human society, the extraordinary co-operation of unrelated individuals on a massive scale not seen in any other mammal, is based on altruism, empathy and the idea that what happens to one of us happens to all of us.

It is our business


EDIT to add: When this girl was being murdered, everyone thought it was none of their business. I'm sure that she really appreciated the sentiment.

I live in West London, and snitching is not liked around here. And most people don't snitch out of fear, and I wouldn't either if someone got killed (not due to fear but its none of my business). However, if its a ruthless murder, say of a vulnerable person then I would snitch

Originally posted by deltaboy
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

So true, if you witness a murder or rape, don't snitch. Just keep your mouth shut and move on with your life. No point in sticking your head out for someone you don't know, and the victim may not be so innocent anyways.

Not my point at all; I am saying that if you live in a community where thugs and drug dealers are running wild, then the last people to trust would be the police. Where the rule od law does not exist is where the biggest crime gang are the police.

If there is a monster roaming about raping and killing people and you see something, you go to a payphone and raise the alarm.

I have a friend who saw a criminal act in Finsbury Park. She called the police and they came and arrested the guys. They turned out to be elements from a crime family, My friend gave evidence on the understanding that it would be in confidence and her anonymity would be maintained. This was a lie and her details and address was given to the defense solicitor and she found this out when she was asked to attend court as a witness. She asked that the police to undo the damage by helping her move out of the area. There response was that they had no intelligence that she would be targeted. She packed her belongings, quit her job, sold her flat at a reduced price and moved out if London.

Either the police are the source of crime in the community or their callous indifference costs lives. Do not get involved with the police.

reply to post by something wicked


If you snitched, I hope it was worth it with your family dead! Are you going to tell your family "honey, kids" I just snitched and they know where we live."

Originally posted by TheWill
reply to post by deltaboy

 

Your post really disturbed me, so i thought I'd remind people of this:

They picked Akanni up one morning
Beat him soft like clay
And stuffed him down the belly
Of a waiting jeep.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

They came one night
Booted the whole house awake
And dragged Danladi out,
Then off to a lengthy absence.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

Chinwe went to work one day
Only to find her job was gone:
No query, no warning, no probe -
Just one neat sack for a stainless record.
What business of mine is it
So long they don't take the yam
From my savouring mouth?

And then one evening
As I sat down to eat my yam
A knock on the door froze my hungry hand.
The jeep was waiting on my bewildered lawn
Waiting, waiting in its usual silence.

-Niyi Osundare

Just because it's not you this time, doesn't mean that it won't be the next. Human society, the extraordinary co-operation of unrelated individuals on a massive scale not seen in any other mammal, is based on altruism, empathy and the idea that what happens to one of us happens to all of us.

It is our business

edit on 15/1/2011 by TheWill because: (no reason given)

EDIT to add: When this girl was being murdered, everyone thought it was none of their business. I'm sure that she really appreciated the sentiment.

edit on 15/1/2011 by TheWill because: (no reason given)

This poem "Not My Business" by Niyi Osundare is a famous one about African police states and US trained death squads!

The poem itself is evidence for my thesis that the police are not your friends. They are organs of the state.

Look at what is happening in Tunis; people are demonstrating in the street about corruption and the collapse of the economy and what do the police do? They activate death squads and start disappearing demonstrators. They even start using police snipers to pick off demonstrators!

reply to post by TheWill


Great post about the Youruba poet. Please put up a source so I can read more.
When the thugs get control of the estates they will spill outwards to more lucrative areas or just go onto the buses and tubes as other have. What then.


Well the POlicde could just have the sort of heavy handed crackdown that everyone suffers.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


The point wasn't "We must tell the police", it was "we mustn't think that it's not our business". Because it will be. Thugs, in the pay of the government or otherwise, are a minority, but allowing them to carry on because it's "none of my business", as one poster put it, gives them more and more power, until it becomes our business.


reply to post by tiger5


Sorry, no real reputable source - remembered it from GCSE English and googled the title, finding this PDF, meant, i think, for an English class:


EDIT: Link doesn't work from ATS, for some reason. I'm working on it.

EDIT: Giving up on it, now. Google "Not my business" and a PDF file from www.whscms.org.uk comes up. Sorry.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


All i have to say is....what an absoulute mess that sign is!

It is a disgrace and hope they signs were torn down. People shouldnt have to worry about try hard gangs and stand over clowns. Screw that!!!


If there's anything worse than a possbile NWO ( unfounded ) then it would be gangs trying to take control of the streets and using disgusting prison tactics to try and stop witness' talking.

Lets not forget a boy was shot dead, that should be the focus, not some wanna be gang trying to control the streets,

Fight back! Dont let them control you, there is more of us then there is of them, NEVER FORGET THAT!!

#1 If kids are being killed by kids on UK estates, who would benefit from keeping quiet?

#2 Has anyone asked who's behind the leaflets and website? What's in it for them?

#3 Why does the website actively encourage suppressing the investigation into murder?

#4 What's the 'stopsnitching' campaign got to do with the Pelican Estate?

I've lived in US cities where this is a huge problem.

Even if you wanted to "snitch" the cops are corrupt and sooner or later word would come down that you did it.

Can't trust the cops and the thugs will kill you.

Icantell you from experience the absolute worst things you can do is ignore it and try to fight it by posturing with marches and vigils and such.

The only effective way to save your neighborhoods is to take an active and united stand. In most US cities this is nearly impossible because the lawful are generally disarmed either by law or by idealogical choice and they only pretend to be united. When push comes to shove they degrade into politics and attack each other rather than the enemy. The most successful program I ever saw was a Jewish community in New Haven, CT arming themselves and scheduling volunteer patrols. Crime drop overnight in their area of the city while the groups from other sections of the city attacked them for their methods and called them extremists.

10 years later guess where all the crime is and where it isn't.

Nobody is going to do it for you. You have to suck it up and do it for yourself.


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reply to post by Kandinsky


It's the gangs and suspects. say screw them and fight back. If they start to contro; the streets then the whole world will goto the ...um crap(without swearing) pretty quickly!!

I see it all the time on show's like Cops and ''The Next 48'' (US homicide reality) all the time, witness' wont talk because the fear gangs and offenders. I say screw them, the moment they control us is the moment we lose total control.

Id rather an NWO than some gang controlling the streets.

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Exactly!!!

This post doesnt need a 2nd ( yes i see the irony )

Rape....snitch
Murder.....snitch
Stealing.....if it from you, snitch
Auto theft.....If it from you, snitch

Rapists deserve to get bumrammed in jail.
Murderers deserve to get bumrammed to death in jail. If you fear you are next, you do not have the courage to live in the society you are living in.
Thiefs can be anybody, therefore, it shouldn't matter. Unless, the thief kills someone, then it goes to murder.
Auto theft is a petty crime in my book.

reply to post by Havick007

Lets not forget a boy was shot dead, that should be the focus, not some wanna be gang trying to control the streets,

Only the press made the connection between the shooting of the 17 year old and the antiSnitch campaign. There is a general anger in amongst the ethnic minority communities in London of the police. The police in London always engaged with ethnics in a hostile manner even of these ethnics live in middle class areas and their kids are in further education. A few years ago the police served a "section 60" in Greenford - west London, something I think they do when they apparently act on intelligence, and started stopping kids between the ages of 16 and their early twenties at 8am in the morning near the tube station.

Any idiot will tell you gangbangers don't roll out of bed for 8am in the morning to go to college yet we had police officers searching book bags of Somali and Asian kids on their way to college. It was as if they were sending a signal to good kids that just because they were law abiding it does mean the hand of the law is not aware of them.

The police also run informer networks in all ethnic minority communities whether there is a crime problem or not. They just do it and if someone is snitched on, they too are recruited onto the snitch programme. From time to time the police will expose a snitch for punishment or sport.

what happens when the gangs feel confident enough to start knocking on each and every door in a community demanding protection money with the implied threat of violence knowing no-one is about to snitch? what happens when you see this and turn a blind eye to a pensioner passing over some of their pension because there is no-one with the gonads to inform the police?
anyone who has been a victim of a violent crime on here will agree the incident stays with you. i myself was beaten for refusing to join an 'enterprise' in the nineties. there were death threats to loved ones and i was also given the opportunity on my say-so to see these 'men' push themselves around in wheelchairs for the rest of. i declined that tempting offer and simply wished for no escalation. it took me approx 2 years to recover from most of the injuries. i indeed informed the police and successfully prosecuted one of the scumbags. the others i couldn't see due to the fact both my eyes were nearly gouged out. i see them around now and they are merely pathetic self-isolated shells. i swore from that day i would not give in to scumbags period. any threats to me,my family and people i care for will be met with i) on merit inform the police ii) i will take the matter into my own hands and proceed accordingly with a diplomatic approach. if that fails with equal if not greater force.
there will be occasions when there is nothing the police can do. if and when the law is unable to assist then i will have no option but to act. to cower in my own home is not an option.
i am also aware that this and many other threads on this board are scrutinised by authorities. it is to them i put my trust to keep law and order amongst an ever increasing hostile minority.
without the presence of a police force, we would all be carrying terrible weapons.
any grievances or allegations against what you would consider 'bent' coppers can be submitted to the IPCC.
Independent Police Complaints Commission.
we all have an obligation to ensure those around us are safe. if you disagree with this i feel you may well become the next victim.
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i sincerely hope that those who have dished out violence, hate and fear get their just desserts asap.

Well the corrupt west yorkshire police caught the Yorkshire Ripper. OK they had a bit of an attitude about good girls and bad girls but they caught him non the less. Crime get solves and criminals sent to jail every day that is why outr jails are bursting at the seems.

If 10% of police are corrupt simple arithmentic means that 90% are not. I have fought with a few of these thugs and they really are bullies and cowards. I am not suggesting that everyone do so just do not promulgate the fear mindset as that is doing their job for them.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


So much for londons gun laws. That will happen here in the states if our guns are taken away.

People who aren’t afraid to talk to the police scare the living daylights out of small-time and career criminals, precisely why there is such massive stigma attached to being a “snitch” and why these people go to such lengths in their deterrence through intimidation and reprisals.

A long time ago, I grassed up several members of the inbred elite in my area, right in front of them after they had finished kicking each other’s teeth in. Why? Because I was pissed and the policewoman asking around for eyewitnesses was absolutely stunning.

A couple of loosely-connected persons spoke to me afterwards, scouting me out and trying to ascertain what I had said and why, so I told them, making it markedly clear how unconcerned I was. If I had talked to the police for no good reason at all (from their perspective, I met the copper again and got her number! ), they certainly don’t want to give me a reason to talk to the police. It’s hassle that they don’t need, a low profile is key. Don't be afraid of these people and don't let them make you believe that they are the ones with the power to destroy your life and not the other way around.

"Be the change you want to see in the world"! Mahatma Gandhi

Originally posted by Ancient Champion
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

So much for londons gun laws. That will happen here in the states if our guns are taken away.

It gets worse we cannot even have a 4.5 inch penknife on tghe streets now. I kid you not! I am doing a thread on this so more to come.