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reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


I have never said that accusing an unjust police officer is unjust, in fact it is quite the opposite.
Crime is crime no matter who the perpetrater.
Be it a police officer, a judge, a DA (or CP), your neighbor, your friend or a stranger.

In my eyes, a crime should be reported and the investigation should be met with cooperation.
The same as i would hope for should myself or my loved ones be a victim.

I know the fonenyc is from NYC, and I have been there plenty of times.
Fone is probably familiar with the area around me, namely Camden and Philly where police corruption is as rampant as anywhere. I know personally of a few fficers recently that were imprisoned because of corruption, and they were rightly prosecuted.

It is not my intent to patronize or come off negatively, just trying to fuel the debate to find where people's opinions are on the topic.

I think everyon knows mine now.

reply to post by youdidntseeme


I'm goin to go contrary to popular opinion here and say that - in this area, at least - if I noticed someone getting raped or murdered or their car stolen, I would turn it in. Shoplifting I'd show bystander apathy and assume that the shop's staff would notice and turn it in.

This might sound like naivety which will at some point cut my life short, but there you go.

(NB - if I got murdered, or raped (!), or owned a car that then got stolen, I'd like someone else to report it).

reply to post by youdidntseeme


Did you not see that g20 meeting in 2009 now in london, where the policeman killed that person. The police man got off although the murder was shown on video, though it would of been manslaughter, but manslaughter is like your 2nd degree murder thing isn't it.

The police man literally got away with murder on tv. Amazing the man was killed on a video and the police still got away with it. Makes you wonder what else they cover up isn't it in london.

No prosecution, or anything.

Amazing. I reckon in london police are organising very serious crimes, and they are just some sort of serial killer group for hire, but they do it for there friends, and family or what ever.

Originally posted by TheWill
(NB - if I got murdered, or raped (!), or owned a car that then got stolen, I'd like someone else to report it).

I am different, if anything where to happen to me, it was the police that where responsible, as they brought all this attention to my life.

reply to post by andy1033


Manslaughter is basically "You killed him but didn't mean to". What I find retarded is that it is possible to get Manslaughter WITH Intent to cause grievous bodily harm, which basically means you meant to hurt them but ended up killing them, and somehow that is not as bas as murdering them. As it was within a riot, they wouldn't have applied intent to cause grievous bodily harm, which is a bit off, because a rioter defending himself against a policeman and contributing to said policeman's death would, so far as I can tell, be charged with manslaughter/murder and assaulting an officer of the law.

If I see some body car stealing. If I see somebody killed. If I see some body raped. If I see somebody shop lifting. [color=#FF0000]You bet I am going to call down the law!! These crimes effect everyone in the community. [color=#66FFFF]It is MY BUSINESS when I live in a community that is being victimized by GANG TARDS.

Just the other day I stayed up all night long to catch a couple of punks that were tagging up the neighborhood. I chased them up and down the street hoping to find out where they lived. I hope they had a good time causing several thousand dollars worth of damage that must be cleaned up by those who are more responsible than they. I will have a good time putting 44 caliber holes in their buttocks if I ever see them with a paint can in their hands near where I live.

reply to post by groingrinder


It seems that this mentality is something on the decline. At least in this thread.

I applaud you for your actionsand your responsibilty to your community.
Someone earlier in the thread referred to this attitude as cowardly, but then went on to say the reason people do not snitch is because of the threat of violence against themselves. Which is more cowardly?

Again, Kudos

That's some of the best advice you could get if you like a peaceful life as somebody else said police lie and set up people I've felt this first hand. Police are target(quota) chasers you do get the odd person who's concern is the community but that is rare

Originally posted by andy1033
reply to post by youdidntseeme

 

Did you not see that g20 meeting in 2009 now in london, where the policeman killed that person. The police man got off although the murder was shown on video, though it would of been manslaughter, but manslaughter is like your 2nd degree murder thing isn't it.

The police man literally got away with murder on tv. Amazing the man was killed on a video and the police still got away with it. Makes you wonder what else they cover up isn't it in london.

No prosecution, or anything.

Amazing. I reckon in london police are organising very serious crimes, and they are just some sort of serial killer group for hire, but they do it for there friends, and family or what ever.

As i stated above:

"I have never said that accusing an unjust police officer is unjust, in fact it is quite the opposite.
Crime is crime no matter who the perpetrater.
Be it a police officer, a judge, a DA (or CP), your neighbor, your friend or a stranger.

In my eyes, a crime should be reported and the investigation should be met with cooperation.
The same as i would hope for should myself or my loved ones be a victim."

This has not changed. Crimes should be reported and prosecuted.
I am sorry to hear that youhave suffered such an ordeal, and I am sure that there are others like you, but not cooperating with a police investigation, when someone has the proper information will only increase the chance that the crime will be repeated by the same person.

Higher crime rates will result in more police, obvisouly something that you do not want, and obviously something that many in this thread do not want. so i guess its a catch 22. Continue not reporting crimes and the crime rate will go up, thereby leading to more police officers on the street.

Originally posted by youdidntseeme
Higher crime rates will result in more police, obviously something that you do not want, and obviously something that many in this thread do not want. so i guess its a catch 22. Continue not reporting crimes and the crime rate will go up, thereby leading to more police officers on the street.

I could not care one bit about the police and how many there are. I have never committed a crime, but they went after my life since i was at school 19 years back, for there friends. Amazing the people i went to school with just made it all up, and the clowns in the police have given me no privacy in 19 years.

I could not care less if everyone in uk is police, as long as they where not criminals ruining our lifes.

It must of upset all the clowns that operate in the police in london that targeted me, that i have done nothing, and it was proven to them.

I am not interested one bit how many they are, i know the truths about them, and will keep talking, as they have in effect murdered me, for the people i went to school with. So in effect they are like serial killers for hire.

Police are spiteful i got pepper sprayed AFTER they cuffed me wtf and they lied about it in court I have no respect or trust for most police there is the odd exception I only know of one but they are the biggest gang going and the most corrupt organisation, how they can testify for each other I dont know its well known they will lie and cover each others back when ever and where ever its impossible to get justice against them.

reply to post by andy1033


I may be in the minority here but I always reckoned tat policeman shouldn't have been blamed and accused as much as he was just like I never agreed with anything the student protesters last year over the university fee increase regarding police violence seemed total bullcrap to me.

Of course you have your corrupt police men and women but I dunno, to tar all of them with the same brush seems a step too far.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Well I sat in the heart of the black community. I worked my way as a postgraduate in Youth clubs in Junction, and White City. Where even the youth workers were into drugs.

I was well into politics at that time. I heard things about snitches and realised that these thugs only hurt the community. I believe that even more nowadays. I laugh when whiteeds that have no contact with the estates get one crime only because it is so much harder living next door to a street thug.

These street thugs are scum. They give whole locations a bad name. They rob and intimidate their neighbours.

Unfortunately the police do not really protect the informers once they get the information.

Originally posted by tiger5


These street thugs are scum. They give whole locations a bad name. They rob and intimidate their neighbours.

And to add:
The 'no snitching' campaign is nothing more than witness intimidation, which is in itself a crime to be prosecuted.
It seems like a never ending cycle to some.

Stop snitching and start taking the law into your own hands. That's what guns are fore.

Originally posted by tiger5
reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady

 

Well I sat in the heart of the black community. I worked my way as a postgraduate in Youth clubs in Junction, and White City. Where even the youth workers were into drugs.

I was well into politics at that time. I heard things about snitches and realised that these thugs only hurt the community. I believe that even more nowadays. I laugh when whiteeds that have no contact with the estates get one crime only because it is so much harder living next door to a street thug.

These street thugs are scum. They give whole locations a bad name. They rob and intimidate their neighbours.

Unfortunately the police do not really protect the informers once they get the information.

edit on 14-1-2011 by tiger5 because: (no reason given)

Funny, I did my voluntary work as a post graduate in structural engineering and can honestly say I saw very little drug taking amongst youth workers and now that I work in London in a consultancy for the construction industry, I see plenty of coke snorting professionals.

I also agree that street thugs are scum but the biggest scum are thugs in uniforms. The problem is, it is very easy to deal with street thugs but you will find their handlers in the police going into overdrive trying to sort out those messing in their manor.

reply to post by Marked One


Because people taking the law into their own hands never put their prejudices onto the bullets, either.

With that situation, rather than a single prejudiced and fallible police force whose members CAN be identified and thus are, to an extent, answerable for any crimes, you would have 6 billion of them. And falling, rapidly.

Everyone has their prejudices. Give them bullets and free reign to punish as they see fit, and there will be a lot less prejudices about. [sarcasm]Crikey, it's a flawless plan [/sarcasm]

reply to post by curious7


They tar us all with the same brush i bet you me and anyone else of this site would just be trouble making conspiracy theorist.

reply to post by Ilovecatbinlady


Yes there have always been corrupt cops but are they in the minority or the majority? Unless we make this distinction we are going into errors of logic. The police are desparatley trying to raise crime clear up rates from the current abysmal level. So any help they get may work in the victims favour.

The youth clubs had a strict drug free policy for which the police would agree unofficially to keep out. This led to daily attempts to smoke and snort in the you club. Of course liberal me suggested that they join the legalised cannabis campaign. Of course no one did!

THese thugs committed crimes to by drugs. Your middle class professionals did not.

Operation Trident are a corrupt bunch of evil jackbooted thugs. Do some research into how they tried to set up and frame a respected antiques dealer.


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