'Stop snitching': Flyers posted on shooting estate warn residents not to help police with murder i

This is so stupid, personally I find it difficult to understand anyone who would support this irresponsible behavior, surely it is against the law to obstruct the police in its lawful execution of its duties. I've lived in a really bad part of Washington, DC all my life and this no snitching crap has been around here since forever, so basically around here you can get away with murder even when someone sees you kill the person.

Just last summer a 14 year old kid was shot dead at a busy intersection one night with a number of witnesses there. When the police came to investigate nobody said a thing, and the witnesses refused to cooperate. At the kid's funeral the next week, in broad daylight with hundreds of witnesses, the guys came back and shot up the place murdering 4 other people. and again, everybody refused to cooperate because of the stop snitching movement, and the shooters never got caught.

This type of stuff happens a lot here, I even remember another story about a girl that I gotten gang raped outside of a night club with multiple witnesses just standing around and no one to this date has been arrested. People need to realize that the cops are not out to get you (unless of course you had something to do with the crime) but in fact they are there to help and to solve what happened.

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
This poem "Not My Business" by Niyi Osundare is a famous one about African police states and US trained death squads!

The poem itself is evidence for my thesis that the police are not your friends. They are organs of the state.

Look at what is happening in Tunis; people are demonstrating in the street about corruption and the collapse of the economy and what do the police do? They activate death squads and start disappearing demonstrators. They even start using police snipers to pick off demonstrators!

Where did you ever learn that Sani Abacha or his men were trained by the US, UK or anyone else? The closest ever to this was his studying as an undergrad in the UK in the 60's.
Abache was one of the most ruthless dictators in Nigerian history, let alone possibly the world.
That poem exactly expresses the fallacy that is this thread, in the end who will be left?
One victim becomes two victims which becomes three victims, it is a very slippery slope, but I suppose it is one that you and the few others here are willing to let pass.

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If the person in question is causing a crime, I see no problem with this method. I'm watching right now of the sam stuff with gang infiltrators in America.

I have to ask. What is wrong in tricking someone into a crime and recording it, versus them doing it without nay evidence. It seems to me that it would work very well and be very efficient at taking people off the streets.

Simple fact is this. Don't do a crime. If you're too weak not to, then maybe you shouldn't be around that area to begin with.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
DC all my life and this no snitching crap has been around here since forever, so basically around here you can get away with murder even when someone sees you kill the person.

The police got away with murder at g20 last 2009, in london and it was on tv, lol.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
People need to realize that the cops are not out to get you (unless of course you had something to do with the crime) but in fact they are there to help and to solve what happened.

I have spent 19 years since my school days trying to just live a life, and the police where absolutely desperate to get me to commit a crime. They perve into our home daily, just waiting for anyone to say anything as they listen to everything here.

Police most definitely go after innocent people and my life has proven it in london. Plus its been proven that no crime has been committed in those 19 years, but this is something they cannot stand.

There is a big difference between snitching and doing the right thing. If I saw young kid steal bubble gum and told I would consider that a snitch. If two guys got into a fight and someone told I would consider that a snitch. However, If a young boy gets KILLED and some one knows something and does not tell, then they are only helping the boys killers and I pray something bad happens to them. Someone should come forward and help put his killer(s) behind bars.

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Andy, sir, please stop making stuff up, or give me some proof that this is happening to you. 'Cause I really don't believe you.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
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Andy, sir, please stop making stuff up, or give me some proof that this is happening to you. 'Cause I really don't believe you.

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How am i making it up.

Amazing my life is absolutely ruined by these people fact. Are they going to come on here, no they are not. Amazing.

Did i make up that the police killed that person in g20 last year on tv, and got away with it, amazing.

The police and uk gov destroyed my life without any proof, and its amazing i cannot talk about it. The police have spent 19 years ruining my life in london.

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Andy I believe you.

Don't worry about the doubters.

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So why didn't you get out of town?? Anyway why not write an OP about your experiences? You keep poping up all over the show making allusion to some big issue that happened to you.

Just a thought

Some actually encourage not reporting any clues to police about a murder? This is why I don't post here or come here often anymore.

Let's come back to reality folks. If you witness a crime or know anything about one, report it to your local authorities.

Thanks.

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Sir, I just don't believe you, I'm sorry but it just seems like if this were true and they "ruined your life", as you say you would have moved away or done something about it. Seriously, why did they pick you to ruin? What's so special about you?

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The death of Ian Tomlinson was truly a teriible thing, as is the death of any person.
I have already stated that I feel for your situation.

However, the death of Ian Tomlinson does not in any means indict the whole of the police force, no more than a murder committed by a woman indicts all females, or shoplifting a CD by a 12 year old indicts all 12 year olds.

That is simply flawed logic. There are cretins in every field of profession and in every walk of life. The police force is no different, but a corrupt police force by no means whatsoever relieves someone of their duty to cooperate for the sake of a victim. It has been said multiple times here, and it will never change anyones mind.

I truky hope that should anyone here ever be a victim of a witnessed crime, or does their loved one, that someone like myself has witnessed it and has cooperated with the investigator, to prevent the chance that the crime will happen again to someone else.

Originally posted by youdidntseeme
If you witness a rape would you keep your mouth shut?
If you witness a murder, would yu keep your mouth shut?
If you witness shoplifting would you keep your mouth shut?
If you witness auto theft, would you keep your mouth shut?

All of the above, I would keep my mouth shut!! Where I come from, You keep your mouth shut.
That's their business, Not mine. If I witnesses it, I'd help. As for the question always posed, Would you want someone to
snitch to the police, If one of your loved ones was getting raped or murdered, No! I'd rather you,
jumped in and help or snitch to me! Not the proper authorities.

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I am not interested in hearing about how only a small minority. The geezer killed a man on tv, how come he got away with is it manslaughter, lol?

How can you talk about small groups of people, when the authorities made sure he got away with murder that was on tv? Who covered it up?

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The reason that that particular copper got away with it was a technicality:

The three different autopsies showed two different things. The first had concluded that he had died of cardiac arrest - which is in itself a cop-out, because everyone, when it comes down to it, dies because their hearts stopped beating. Both later autopsies found that he had died of internal bleeding.

The legal system does not require that the prosecution proves a case to the jury - they require that the prosecution proves it beyond reasonable doubt.

Any good lawyer would point to the disagreement over cause of death as reasonable doubt. The only thing that really helped the copper in this case was that, as a copper, he would have been given a good lawyer.

They can't fire him when they can't prove beyond reasonable doubt that he killed the man. They can, however, conduct an inquiry into excessive use of force in his case, and he should still be up for an assault(he caused actual bodily harm) charge even if they can't get manslaughter to fly. But it is the courts and their lawyers that got the policeman off, not the force.

Originally posted by C21H30O2I

Originally posted by youdidntseeme
If you witness a rape would you keep your mouth shut?
If you witness a murder, would yu keep your mouth shut?
If you witness shoplifting would you keep your mouth shut?
If you witness auto theft, would you keep your mouth shut?

All of the above, I would keep my mouth shut!! Where I come from, You keep your mouth shut.
That's their business, Not mine. If I witnesses it, I'd help. As for the question always posed, Would you want someone to
snitch to the police, If one of your loved ones was getting raped or murdered, No! I'd rather you,
jumped in and help or snitch to me! Not the proper authorities.

So your line is drawn at any authority. Do not ever cooperate with a police investigation.
Thank you for your opinion, I appreciate it.

If you cannot distinguish between a minority and and majority. You are suffering from cognitive distortion in your thinking. Police still arrest criminals. Every society or group has a few bad elements.

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In Andy's case, it is an extreme. It doesnt matter whether or not we believe him, which no one can reasonable say that they do, as only one side has been presented.

What is important is that Andy believes. It has irrevocably shaped his view of the police, of authority and his paradigm in general. If what he says is in fact true, it truly is horrific.

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
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What is dry snitching?

Is that like giving fake information on innocent people for pay?

Dry snitching is hinting on information that shouldn't be said, without giving specifics out loud. It's like veiled snitching. Like if someone at work never gets caught or disciplined breaking policy, but you do get caught and disciplined for breaking the same policy, for instance... dry snitching would be like saying, "certain people always do this but never get in trouble." Kind of like that. It's hinting that those people should be getting in trouble, without naming names or giving examples of times that they've done it. It's just as bad as giving specific details, which is snitching.

As for not snitching... I'd agree with fonenyc for the most part. For shoplifting, why would I go and tell someone? I used to work in retail, and I'd see people stealing all the time. I never said a thing. Either way, a lot of those people got caught by security, anyway. I would even let people get away with the food they were stealing... why? Because people need to eat. There's a good reason why someone is stealing food. Everyone deserves a meal, regardless if they have money or not. You do not know their situation. As for rape and murder, well I'd agree with fonenyc that if you snitch you run the risk of being murdered for snitching. However, if the murderer or rapist sees you witness their crime, they're gonna come after you right away anyway. I would have nothing against people snitching on a murderer/rapist. Stealing isn't a violent crime and doesn't ruin people's lives. Murder and rape do.

That is where I draw the line. Simply put, don't snitch. The real message of the OP is that We The People need to stick together when the government gets out of hand. That means protect your neighbors, and your neighbors will protect you. Snitching will get you nowhere. Plus, why would you snitch on someone for shoplifting? If the store security is too dumb to catch them themselves, then the person deserved to get away with it. I wouldn't say the same about murder and rape, though. Like I said, that is where I draw the line. But if you're gonna snitch on a murder or rape, you better know what you're doin', and consider witness protection... cuz then you might be on the news, and in a casket.