Dealing with cops, understanding your rights,.... by a cop.

reply to post by seeashrink


olice fatalities by gunfire has increased 37%.
NOTE: This comuter doesn't tye the letter which means the same as urine and a few other letters of the alhabet so, hoe you can figure this out.

Why don't olice mention this statistic when it comes to gun control. They are outgunned. It is a shame.

reply to post by daddio


Well cited resourced and cited reply daddio. Unfortunately both you and I know that we're going to be spending the night in the crow-bar motel if we get pulled over and play those cards (really- I've done it. Remained "silent" even to identification, and when pulled in front of the judge regarding the charges I asked if I was positively identified as the accused... spent time in solitary until I complied. wasn't fun, but it was a learning lesson).

I think to drive home the simple facts that everyone can understand: Traffic infractions are not crimes; Probable Cause revolves around criminal activity; Reasonable Suspicion also necessitates some form of criminal activity; Traffic infractions are NOT CRIMES; Therefore being detained due to traffic infractions is pretty serious violation of free travel.

Originally posted by NoRegretsEver

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by daddio

 

Are you honestly trying to convince people that we do not need licenses to drive? Or am I reading that wrong? If that is what you are trying to get across, just think about it for one minute. People with almost no understanding of the laws of the road: no turn signals, no checking their blind-spots, etc. There would be so much mass confusion that motor vehicle accidents would skyrocket, as if they are not high enough already.

If I read your post wrong, sorry, I'll go work on my reading comprehension.

There are people that are currently in possession of a drivers license and do not follow those rules, having a license doesn't make a better driver, it forces you to acknowledge through I.D, that you are now in agreement to the laws and statutes that accompany having a license of your state. When cars were first invented there was no drivers license'.

You can have a homemade license that you can have signed by your state saying that you will be held liable in case of an "unintentional collision", most states will sign this, if applied for properly. This can also be attained for insurance.

Peace, NRE.

Do you have any information, links about the home made license bit?

I will start by saying I am former state law enforcement on the east coast. In our state we worked the cities and counties as well as the highway system. Some states are strictly highway. I can say that my dad was in law enforcement and always wanted to do the same. Why? Because I saw a sense of pride in what he did everyday. Was I always an angel, Nope. Who is? Everyone makes errors and mistakes and they learn from them. I did and accepted and learned from it and moved on. After the military and hitting the road in law enforcement as the days go on, you get tired of dealing with people who all know someone or are special including diplomats. We deal with mostly all negativity day in and day out.

Now saying that if I stop you and issue a summons, in our state you are required to sign the ticket, if not you go to jail. This doesnt mean you are pleading guilty or acknowledging guilt, its just a promise to appear or pay the summons. For a while in the begining, i found myself on the side of the road asking over and over for people to sign the tickets. It got to the point it happened so frequently I shut if off completely. I will ask you twice, then you are going to jail and the car is getting towed. It is a safety issue for you and the officer and the tractor trailer that slams into you both. My goal is to safely conduct a traffic stop. If I find 30 pounds of marijuana thats a bonus.

Are their corrupt cops? Yes there are? Are their corrupt bankers, salesman, chefs, casino dealers, bus drivers. Yes there are. There is a screening process for law enforcement and they try their best to get the best they can. I cant tell you how man people showed up to the job fairs or the academy with weapons, drugs, drunk or lied about their crimnal histories. What happened to people being honest? What happened to peoples sense of morals? The OP was accurate with his posting about the laws although some states have variances. For example in Virginia if you live in Arizona and you have 5% tint, (not sure if its legal or not in AZ )and drive through Virginia, I can write you a summons for this violation. Does it mean I will, probably not. I did write one outstate person for tint. He had a vehicle with Florida tags that was registered in Florida with his name on it, but he lived in Virignia. If anyone wants to read the code here it is 46.2-1052.

Excellent information. Unfortunately there are some superliberal antisocial antiestablishment people that don't care what the law is anyway.

I've had dealings with a few cops during traffic stops. Only one was a bit of a jerk to begin with. However when dealing with cops I always "Yes sir, no sir" It's amazing how often that gets them to chill out.

I was pulled over once on my way to work doing 65 in a 35, back roads with little to no traffic, I was running late. As soon as I saw the cop I just pulled over and waited, I knew I was busted. "Do you know why I pulled you over?" "Yes sir." "And why is that?" "I was speeding sir." He talks to me for a minute, runs my tags and my license and calls me back to his car for a chat. He says to me that he could arrest me for going so fast but he'd been in my shoes before and I was very respectful, he wrote me a ticket for 44 in a 35 which was a hundred dollar fine with no points on insurance or license. He said next time try and leave a bit earlier but if you're running late, don't speed, cause you'll be late either way but could end up hurt or fined.

I feel lucky having not had to deal with someone yelling and threatening me and if there ever is a time that "Yes sir, no sir" doesn't work that's why I have an attorney.

I think law enforcement is going to get harder and harder. Most Americans fell completely ripped off. Just talk to anybody out there. Just the Banking situation alone have made people fell very weary of any thing Government does. I bet Cops can sense that people our hurting just by talking to people lately. Even a ordinary plumper has been affected by what the banks did,

Most people feel right now that its all just a big rip off, even tho they do everything right. They still feel like slaves like there on a big tread mill. I know the MSM does not get this. When the average guys knows that REP and DEM get millions of dollars from Banks, And then the Banks get preferential treatment in fact they get rewarded for bad business practices and boarder line criminal activity, it creates a anger in people. Then if the guy is 10 days late on his mortgage the Banks give him no mercy and call him over and over again with threats that there going to ruin is credit and other threats . then he gets pulled over for a bad tail light, even that can be the last straw, for some people. All I can say being in Law enforcement in these days will get harder and harder. Now you take stories like this and it just makes it that much worse.. reason.com...

I have been pulled over several times in my life. Even though on over 80 percent of those stops I was in violation of some sort I have never received a ticket and never been arrested. The info in the OP is correct. Being courteous, honest, and yes even a little meek goes a long way. Eye contact is an absolute must. You can read intentions in a persons eyes.

reply to post by seeashrink


Very interesting information.

I always have found that I never have problems when getting pulled over if I get out of the car with my license in my hand, a smile on my face and say "g'day". I don't know whether getting out of the car is a good idea or not in the US, but it works well here. If others are in the car with you don't let them get out too as it will be intimidating towards the police.

All in all, a good, friendly attitude goes a long way in dealing with police. Remember, these people deal with a huge amount of idiots, so by being polite and friendly makes you stand out from the crowd and they will tend to be far more relaxed with you.

that was a very well written post and you are spot on. you brought up very good points and i appreciate the fact that even cops want the bad cops off the street. that means a lot in this day and age!!!!

Do I have the right to use the voice recorder on my cell phone to record the incident? Last time I was pulled over I noticed the officer had one to ensure there wasn't any "he said she said" should a stop go to court. Just wondering if I am allowed to do the same? Thank you

reply to post by greenovni


never heard of a homemade license where is this?

reply to post by rancher1


I know some cops who lost there homes because of the mortgage situation. It wasnt his fault. He was under the impression that his mortgage wouldnt change, he didnt understand all of the little tiny print that even when read doesnt make sense

reply to post by NuclearPaul


getting out of the car I wouldnt recomend heRE in the US. I will also say this is circumstantial and if you do get out do it slowly with your hands visible. i have no idea who you are or where your going. For all i know you just commited an armed robbery.

Just a little more for a night time stop.

When stopped, immediately turn on the interior lights. This way he can see you as he approaches the car.
Keep both hands on the steering wheel until asked for your license and insurance card.
Tell the officer where the documents are (wallet) and ask permission to get it.
When searching for the registration (usually the glove compartment) tell the officer it is in the glove compartment and ask permission to get it.

The officer knows you are concerned about safety and willingness to cooperate. This may work one or two times if you are not grossly violating traffic laws but it doesn't work forever. He will check your driving history and will see when the last times you were stopped. If your record is clean, it may stay clean with your courtesy.

(A retired cop)

reply to post by surfnow2


The Cops where I live in Colorado our so cool. There worried about all this crap taking place to.. Like you said there not immune to the Banksters.

reply to post by QuantumDisciple


this depends on the state. if your state allows you to record do so in a fashion that doesnt interfere with the stop.
I used to have people do it to me and I could have cared less. i did have one guy that recorded me refuse to sign the summons which he lawfully recorded and I arrested him. He brought this into court as evidence and lost it actually worked in my favor

reply to post by Nite_wing


Good info. I never thought about turning on the inside lights. Makes sense.

Originally posted by surfnow2
reply to post by greenovni

 

never heard of a homemade license where is this?

video on one of the first few pages. one thats part two, it shows u his license. the big thing is that its part of state law, not sure what all states, but also required that it contains certain information, signed off on by a notary, and usually used by "sovereigns" like the one in the video. you have to actually believe it though, and be in certain states. there are loopholes everywhere, and you still have every right granted by the constitution, i just think the bunk part is that you can wave these rights without even knowing? thats a bit far

reply to post by GenerationXisMarching


I believe the vidoeos you're referring to were filmed in London, not the US.