Quantum Reality

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by sinohptik

Wait, what were we talking about?

Nothing, everthing and everything in between..

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"next..?" still manning door on the side..]

About nothing, something, anything and everything.

There is nothing that is something of any particular signficance, since everything is everything that is, already always now and forever. In other words, there is nothing that is something in everything, that we ought to be overly impressed by, since it's something which arose from nothing in everything to begin with! Nothing is therefore discreet, or an OM point, an Omegapoint of the creation of a new nothing in everything already always now and forever (in God) as a domain of creatvity out of which an apparent "something" or anything (any thing) arises, not as something or anything in particular, but merely as a new nothing which then expands ad infinitim in the infinitude of the everything that is everything already always. The "process" of that activity of being impressed by the illusion of the creation, of the somethingness of nothing in everything, is the "forgetting" that the creation is itself a created something in nothing, and even the creator creating (now us as co-creators) is also a "thing" of some kind and therefore nothing of any significance or importance, and most certainly nothing to be OVERY impressed by through sensory imput and cognitive filtering! We cannot take our "selves" or our thoughts of self, and conceptualizations of the self, the life for the self, seriously, or even any particular "thing" that we may choose, or wish to create from nothing, that too and we ourselves are nothing, and discreet and finite nothings at that! After all, we can be as big a something or nothing as we like and we are still nothing in particular, and therefore a finite nothing, something that simply cannot be taken seriously, nor made into something more than it is already as nothing.

Only the uncreated everything already always, is real. Any thing else, anything at all, even the apparently GREATEST thing (the creation), being a thing, is also a nothing created as an Om Point or a "whim" or an impulse, originating with the question "who am I"? And now the same applies to us, by some unfathomable divine proportion and extension, not unlike a gift extended, to recognize God and be recognized by God in himself, in his true self, self realized in the human being, the only ultimate thing, since it serves this final purpose as an "Alpha and Omega" not of creation, not even of the created, but of the uncreated eternal out of which flows the persistent illusion of creation (flow of the living water of eternal life), so that God might recognize himself over and over again from a seemingly infinite variety of perspectives, but as the already everything always and forever now, he is all inclusive and not exclusive or particularized, not finite, but infinite, not a nothing, or even a something, not a thing, not even the role of creator creating, and not the process, except as this process of recognition, so that we will never EVER forget again, our TRUE self, and our TRUE life, as intended, where the freedom to choose, is not to choose something, or nothing, but only the everything already always as our true condition in eternity WITH God, fullly re-cognized right NOW in us.

So while we're free to create, in creating more nothing, and even in playing the role of the creator in a co-creative participatve activity, let's not forget what the GOAL of the creation of things was for, which is for this ongoing remembrance and recognition of God as our true self, with our true self (not our ego) in God, or simply put God realized or in the process of realizing. That's who we are, it's our purpose, and the payoff is rather significant in the end - behold the nothing of everything! Do not be impressed or spellbound, it is after all nothing to be concerned with, there being only one primary concern, which isn't even our own as created things, but certaintly is as part of the uncreated everything already always who is God now recognizing himself as he truly is, at the very moment of re-cognition, through us, while making it (our own nothing) that we might also recognize who we truly are as made in his image, and enjoy our place in his eternal havenly household in deep sharing or kononia.



Ah, good food - time to dance! Ladies and gentlemen...?

So instead of saying that life doesnt meant anything, and that it doesnt mean anything that it doesnt mean anything, say - it is infinitely better to say that everything, including life, means everything, and that it means everything that it means everything, if only at the very least in appreciation and gratitude precisely because it is only from everything, that anything at all, including life itself, can arise in eternity or from nothing in the everything already always now and forever. So if not a thing, we are then the very process by which what is or even more importantly WHO is, eternal, may be recognized for what it (He) really and truly is, in eternity. This of course is a free gift, God-realization, from which we ought to freely give out of our storehouse of what we already freely recieved, since no thing of any importance or significance can be held or grasped, being nothing to begin with!

This is then liberating, to the nth degree, in the recognition that there is nothing to worry about, not even apparent death or apparent life. We can let go, and let God as they say, with a sigh of relief!


One who lives only for himself is truly dead and one who dies for God is truly alive.
Meher Baba

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I don't know a lot about quantum mechanics but I have read some info, I don't know either what the universe exactly is and I accept that I can't know.

If I were try to rationalize it I would say that everything in existence is energy that vibrates on several spectrum at several frequencies, some that defy time and space (thus some of the theories of quantum mechanics around how the future may effect the past). My knowledge of the subject prevents me from going much further, the universe is a very complicated place.

I have read information how everything is based on love and the love frequency which emanates from the sun? and our bodies from one of the chakras. 528hz. I used to know more but have kind of forgotten about it. It is also used in Solfeggio Harmonics and Binaural beats believed to have healing properties at some level.

Almost everything can be rationalized to a scientific or mathematical understanding but chaos theory plays a huge role giving our universe an apparent randomness (I can't specifically say what has or can be rationalized at these levels but I will say it generally for now). For example, they could predict weather using rationalized mathematical equations or observations but there are other equations that clash with this one that in the short run may have no effect, but in the long run makes huge unpredictable changes (rough example of chaos as seen in a recent BBC doc).

The earth as a whole and everything on it can be summed up as one giant organism where all the living creatures on it, the terrain and conditions sum up a collective consciousness, quite like the invisible hand described in economics, which evolves the the earth thus effecting our lives (social institutions, constructs, greed etc etc etc). There are also external factors such as the

... and just something beautiful to end off to remind us how great life is

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

There is nothing that is something of any particular signficance, since everything is everything that is, already always now and forever. In other words, there is nothing that is something in everything, that we ought to be overly impressed by, since it's something which arose from nothing in everything to begin with! Nothing is therefore discreet, or an OM point, an Omegapoint of the creation of a new nothing in everything already always now and forever (in God) as a domain of creatvity out of which an apparent "something" or anything (any thing) arises, not as something or anything in particular, but merely as a new nothing which then expands ad infinitim in the infinitude of the everything that is everything already always. The "process" of that activity of being impressed by the illusion of the creation, of the somethingness of nothing in everything, is the "forgetting" that the creation is itself a created something in nothing, and even the creator creating (now us as co-creators) is also a "thing" of some kind and therefore nothing of any significance or importance, and most certainly nothing to be OVERY impressed by through sensory imput and cognitive filtering! We cannot take our "selves" or our thoughts of self, and conceptualizations of the self, the life for the self, seriously, or even any particular "thing" that we may choose, or wish to create from nothing, that too and we ourselves are nothing, and discreet adn finite nothings at that!

Ah, but perhaps every-thing is an OM. If nothing is, then everything can be. A warping wormhole that better have glazed donuts! Its all choices for this body, in a finite timeframe. Clinging to things brings its own consequences. No-thing to be impressed by, but every-thing is awe. Sad though, in some ways. Beautiful, in the same ways.

Only the uncreated everything already always, is real. Any thing else, anything at all, even the apparently GREATEST thing (the creation), being a thing, is also a nothing created as an Om Point or a "whim" or an impulse, originating with the question "who am I"? And now the same applies to us, by some unfathomable divine proportion and extension, not unlike a gift extended, to recognize God and be recognized by God in himself, in his true self, self realized in the human being, the only ultimate thing, since it serves this final purpose as an "Alpha and Omega" not of creation, not even of the created, but of the uncreated eternal out of which flows the persistent illusion of creation (flow of the living water of eternal life), so that God might recognize himself over and over again from a seemingly infinite variety of perspectives, but as the already everything always and forever now, he is all inclusive and not exclusive or particularized, not finite, but infinite, not a nothing, or even a something, not a thing, not even the role of creator creating, and not the process, except as this process of recognition, so that we will never EVER forget again, our TRUE self, and our TRUE life, as intended, where the freedom to choose, is not to choose something, or nothing, but only the everything already always as our true condition in eternity WITH God, full re-cognized right NOW in us.

Beyond this brain, and thus beyond its words. Though, every word created by a brain still rings true.

So while we're free to create, in creating more nothing, and even in playing the role of the creator in a co-creative participatve activity, let's not forget what the GOAL of the creation of things was for, which is for this ongoing remembrance and recognition of God as our true self, with our true self (not our ego) in God, or simply put God realized or in the process of realizing. That's who we are, it's our purpose, and the payoff is rather significant in the end - behold the nothing of everything! Do not be impressed or spellbound, it is after all nothing to be concerned with, there being only one primary concern, which isn't even our own as created things, but certaintly is as part of the uncreated everything already always who is God now recognizing himself as he truly is, at the very moment of re-cognition, through us, while making it (our own nothing) that we might also recognize who we truly are as made in his image, and enjoy our place in his eternal havenly household in deep sharing or kononia.

Our own concepts limit these ones until they are released into nothing to allow everything to be there. Such a trick of perspective, though there is strength in that realization. According to some limited exploration, the quantum realm may simply be the next set of physics for the next conceptual field, with many others, unimaginable in their complexity. Systems within systems, infinitely. (...)

Ah, good food - time to dance! Ladies and gentlemen...?

edit on 14-1-2011 by NewAgeMan because: Remember not to forget ourselves when we're out there, and become spellbound and inadvertantly forget ourselves again..!

edit on 14-1-2011 by NewAgeMan because: Remember NOT to forget ourselves when we're out there on the floor to become spellbound, and inadvertantly forget ourselves again.. if you're too drunk, just sit back and take it easy, I told you boys you aint seen nutin yet! ; )

Its the dance itself, the movement of the heavens. So complex even in its perceived form, quantification degenerates before it ever begins. But that doesnt stop this one! Let the movement move us, neh? I think its about time to go from the simple sidestepping to some line dancing. Its always so much better with more orbits. Id say, through these very orbital paths, the potential energy can build. Slowly gaining momentum and amplifying. This velocity thing sure is fun

WAKE UP!!!!

"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
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Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.

an excerpt

If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound.

If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part of that Godhead - quite literally.

Next, by Ervin Laszlo

Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
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And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
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Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.

In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".

Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:

[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."

an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything

Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."

Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward higher forms of consciousness and realization.

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According to James Oroc's experiences (Tryptamine Palace), when the ego is dissolved in consciousness through the temporary formation of a type of neurological "Bose Einstein Condensate", there is no real dilineation or distinction between individual consciousness and God-consciousness or the universal "akashic field" (Lazslo) aka Zero Point Field.

Absolutely the something in the nothing is beathtakingly beautiful as the multifacted expression of an infinite wonder, but again, let us not become spellbound and lose ourselves except in the everything everywhere always as our prior condition in consciousness, whereby the recognition isn't of the nothing in everything or anything in the nothing, but the uncreated everything already always, who is a who, not a process, not a thing, and not even the role He is playing as creator, or as co-creator through us.

Let us never be overly impressed by anything in particular, or even the nothing that is the illusion of creation, lest we forget and become confused again, taking nothing as something for everything, when the everything that is already always now gave rise to the first nothing of something, so as to answer the question "who am I?" in the fullness of eternity.

We are nothing, this is nothing, and only everything as it already aways is, is. This new domain, is even more fun than nothing at all, since it gives rise to anything and everything, from a finite nothing, and that's freedom provided we don't choose something or nothing, or think freedom is merely choosing between two things. Our freedom and our true free self, who is free to choose between anything or everything, simply cannot be a "thing" and is therefore nothing as well.

The Creator is Created

The Preserver is Perserved

The Destroyer is Destroyed

Originally posted by ThisIsMyName
I don't know a lot about quantum mechanics but I have read some info, I don't know either what the universe exactly is and I accept that I can't know.

The difference between quantum mechanics and quantum theory and quantum reality? speak openly, friend!

If I were try to rationalize it I would say that everything in existence is energy that vibrates on several spectrum at several frequencies, some that defy time and space (thus some of the theories of quantum mechanics around how the future may effect the past). My knowledge of the subject prevents me from going much further, the universe is a very complicated place.

Deeply incredibly complicated, ad infinitum. Im am not so sure knowledge will lead one astray, or towards itself. Depending on what conceptual "level" one is talking about, everything most certainly is vibrating. Outside of a finite space, properties merge and properties disappear, all at the same time. Because, in realizing one self as a part of what his eyes see, and go beyond that, it becomes oneself, the constructs and "boxes" of the mind are obliterated and a new perspective and conceptual level is created.

Almost everything can be rationalized to a scientific or mathematical understanding but chaos theory plays a huge role giving our universe an apparent randomness (I can't specifically say what has or can be rationalized at these levels but I will say it generally for now). For example, they could predict weather using rationalized mathematical equations or observations but there are other equations that clash with this one that in the short run may have no effect, but in the long run makes huge unpredictable changes (rough example of chaos as seen in a recent BBC doc).

That which we can observe is limited. That which we can figure out without observing directly is limited as well. (even with a base force like gravity, we have not actually "seen" it, only its effects on things that we can see. Where science breaks down, it really breaks down. We can construct our "stable" realities using consistencies, but what of where those consistencies break down? If these "laws" break down so easily, how applicable are they to things beyond our conceptualization? My only issue with "chaos" theory is that if indeed, everything is so interconnected as simply parts of the same thing, how is that "chaotic?" I call it an issue, but i rather enjoy the terminology

The earth as a whole and everything on it can be summed up as one giant organism where all the living creatures on it, the terrain and conditions sum up a collective consciousness, quite like the invisible hand described in economics, which evolves the the earth thus effecting our lives (social institutions, constructs, greed etc etc etc). ]

Systems within systems, ad infinitum. No longer do we have linearity, but a singularity of infinity. Who knows, perhaps a small part of some atomic structure simile from a different conceptual "level"

I've heard that someone once said they would give their own right arm, for the simplicity on the far side of complexity, but would that really be neccessary?

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Giving up ones arm to find what is already there is a bit like throwing the baby out with the bath water

So, yes, it is necessary. Silly question

In terms of the human being, the quantum realm is probably the next highest realm from God realization in eternity.

The first level would be the gross physical level

The second level would the the suptle energies level (which many here, including myself, unfortunately, are infatuated with)

The third would be the mental level of recognition, from thingness to eternal beingness, first as an intuitive impression and then as a felt experience or a knowing.

The fourth then would be the quantum level, or what I would call the profound and sublime, which would be the level of the purification of the heart and soul such that we see as we are seen, seen face to face, and seeing God in everything.

The fifth would be God realization, and the death of ego, having traversed the dark night of the soul.

The seventh would be God actualization, and the re-creation of the cosmos, or the spiritualization of matter itself, what might be called the redemption of the creation or God self realized as the everything everywhere always enveloping the whole of the creation, or the creation bowing to the creator bowing to the true God self realized at the end of the end of the beginning of the beginning ie: the alpha and omega of existence.

The eighth would be impressionless, but not without the full conscious awareness and prior realization of the other stages, since consciousness once realized, cannot be unrealized.

What an honor to be part of such a process, as a process in our own righ, and hey, if we're to begin, why not begin with the end result and objective or the GOAL, in mind/heart, or in Big Mind and Big Heart.

Then, our creative enjoyments are truly enjoyable and relaxed, and we can be created while remaining at peace, where the only context within which anything has any meaning or any signicifance whatsoever is in the everything it always was, is and will always be, even already always, NOW.

something like that..

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My personal favorite is the 286,452,341,457,984,692,067,802,936th level. They have the best cookies

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Well, all indication, if we live in a non-local, transluminally interconnected, evolutionary eternal recurrence, which we MUST already always, is, we'll get there yet, and get to eat that cookie, YUM!

And that's the desert, after a good hearty meal of spiritual food for our mutual grokking and enjoyment.

Can I have mine now?

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Im not so sure where else it would happen other than now at that certain time and place

So, no, not yet



Truly wonderful, this thing here.

Originally posted by sinohptik
Truly wonderful, this thing here.

What thing? You mean the nothing of apparent somethingness..?

Nah, it's not THAT big of a deal, except, except for the final realization it is bringiing about, but the nothing of apparent somethingness, it will ONY be truly wonderful and magniticent when "it" (the big BIG nothing) get's reaborbed in the everything already always in the conscious mind of man, so that God will also be self realized at that moment, once man allows himself to be lost in God and to become impressionless and without impression. Only then might the old old old thing be made real, right across the board, rediscovered, recognized in consciousness, and consciousness never forgets that's the beauty of consciousness and God as preserver preserving.

Current man thinks himself to be something else, some "thing" in the something that is nothing, and so God as consciousness itself, at least in man, is falsely imprisoned in matter, assuming that the apparent something is really something, even something wonderful, and something special, but in truth it's nothing at all and therefore nothing to be impressed by (creation as illusion). What's impressive again, is when the nothing we take to be something, is at last recognized as the nothing in EVERYTHING, and then God get's to go ah HA, "I am God", I am not in that, not part of it. "Heaven" then is the causeless cause, the uncreated, unmanifest zero point field (and akashic record in preservation) of a fully recognized and self aware God. Getting TO that point, without taking a certain entheogen, may be a simple matter of logic and reason, and the courage to recognize God and allow God to recognize us, as himself - sounds arrogant I realize, but it's not and cannot be, since truth and humility is to know ourselves as we truly are, and we, as "things" are more nothing, but as no things, in everything? = well, now THAT is another matter (spirit) altogether!

So this "thing" isn't wonderful, nor even this no thing - but the everything already always, recognized, the self undone for all time and God realized, and the no thing reabsorbed in the everything always that alone is REAL, now THAT is truly a wonderful everything everywhere already always..


P.S. This "argument" I"m putting forth here re: nothing recognized in everything already always (as the condition of God in man) is one I've discovered through the "grokking" of two apparent Avatars, Meher Baba and Adi Da, (plus a little Jesus for good measure) and it's an argument that I am capable of making only from grokking those two and from having a certain predisposition for such things myself.

Interestingly, whenever I get one of these points across really well, and create a clearing of sorts with the "word" I myself then enjoy that clearing I believe that I've been able to make available as an access point for my brother or you, dear reader. Thank you then for also being my own clearing in your "grokking" of these things, it really has an impact!

When we grok, we begin to see face to face, eye to eye, not just with one another, but with the Reality, as it really and truly is, rediscovered, and now, reenchanted. THIS then is an absolute marvel that such a thing can be communicated with mere symbols, from a keyboard, mouse and screen, that we can actually grok together, here and now, and I can sense it, even as I type these words that we are enjoying koinonia in here together, at last.

It's been a long time..

Welcome back everyone to the REAL world... (don't be distracted or impressed, be impressionless and realize reality now and allow God the everything already always to realize himself again, as if for the first time perhaps, through you, it is our purpose as a human being, the GOAL of life and the universe, the very meaning of life itself). Nothing else matters, everything is consciousness become conscious for the sake of consciousness, that the creation might be dedeemed, and everything everywhere already always, fully spiritualized and made REAL! There is no amount of sorrow and suffering which is not worth this GOAL or objective, since it's realization is suffering's very purpose, both meaningless and meaningful suffering since all suffering leads inexorably to conscious suffering and therefore to suffering's undoing, or made meaningful within the context of this supreme goal and objective. This then brings new understanding to the Christ mind willing to take it all on, how admirable, and how ignorant we've been..!

Oblivious to oblivion, this is the God condition once realized, and it is HUMOROUS! You must "grok" that..!

And then what's even more wonderful, once we "get" it or allow God-consciousness to get "it" through us, now willingly having lost our self in God, is that it is NOT in any way an imposition upon the mind of "mere" man, because everything is by consciousness and for consciousness already always, now and forever!

(everyone's "in the house" now so I'm closing the door).

Thank you illusion of creation, for making us real as the good sons of God all creation has been waiting (groaning) in travail to be revealed and made known (realized by God in man with man in God).

God Bless! (however unneccessary the sentiment within the contextual frame of reference I've been using here, just being playful nothing more)

Here's some documentaries to get your head around that deal with the quantum physics:

BBC Horizon - The Six Billion Dollar Experiment
BBC - Atom: The Illusion Of Reality
BBC - Visions Of The Future: The Quantum Revolution
BBC Horizon - How Long Is A Piece Of String?
BBC Horizon - Parallel Universes
BBC Horizon - Who's Afraid Of The Big Black Hole?

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by sinohptik
Truly wonderful, this thing here.

What thing? You mean the nothing of apparent somethingness..?

Nah, it's not THAT big of a deal, except, except for the final realization it is bringiing about, but the nothing of apparent somethingness, it will ONY be truly wonderful and magniticent when "it" (the big BIG nothing) get's reaborbed in the everything already always in the conscious mind of man, so that God will also be self realized at that moment, once man allows himself to be lost in God and to become impressionless and without impression. Only then might the old old old thing be made real, right across the board, rediscovered, recognized in consciousness, and consciousness never forgets that's the beauty of consciousness and God as preserver preserving.

Current man thinks himself to be something else, some "thing" in the something that is nothing, and so God as consciousness itself, at least in man, is falsely imprisoned in matter, assuming that the apparent something is really something, even something wonderful, and something special, but in truth it's nothing at all and therefore nothing to be impressed by (creation as illusion). What's impressive again, is when the nothing we take to be something, is at last recognized as the nothing in EVERYTHING, and then God get's to go ah HA, "I am God", I am not in that, not part of it. "Heaven" then is the causeless cause, the uncreated, unmanifest zero point field (and akashic record in preservation) of a fully recognized and self aware God. Getting TO that point, without taking a certain entheogen, may be a simple matter of logic and reason, and the courage to recognize God and allow God to recognize us, as himself - sounds arrogant I realize, but it's not and cannot be, since truth and humility is to know ourselves as we truly are, and we, as "things" are more nothing, but as no things, in everything? = well, now THAT is another matter (spirit) altogether!

So this "thing" isn't wonderful, nor even this no thing - but the everything already always, recognized, the self undone for all time and God realized, and the no thing reabsorbed in the everything always that alone is REAL, now THAT is truly a wonderful everything everywhere already always..

Thats fine and all, but the cookie i was speaking of has chocolate chips

Interestingly, whenever I get one of these points across really well, and create a clearing of sorts with the "word" I myself then enjoy that clearing I believe that I've been able to make available as an access point for my brother or you, dear reader. Thank you then for also being my own clearing in your "grokking" of these things, it really has an impact!

I, as you probably do, feel it is "imperative yet exciting" For lack of better words thank you as well for showing more light is shining through than this one had envisioned. perspective can be a tricky thing Lesson learned

It's been a long time..

It has indeed..

Welcome back everyone to the REAL world... (don't be distracted or impressed, be impressionless and realize reality now and allow God the everything already always to realize himself again, as if for the first time perhaps, through you, it is our purpose as a human being, the GOAL of life and the universe, the very meaning of life itself). Nothing else matters, everything is consciousness become conscious for the sake of consciousness, that the creation might be dedeemed, and everything everywhere already always, fully spiritualized and made REAL! There is no amount of sorrow and suffering which is not worth this GOAL or objective, since it's realization is suffering's very purpose, both meaningless and meaningful suffering since all suffering leads inexorably to conscious suffering and therefore to suffering's undoing, or made meaningful within the context of this supreme goal and objective. This then brings new understanding to the Christ mind willing to take it all on, how admirable, and how ignorant we've been..!

True suffering seems to yield great pain and great beauty, all appreciated from this one. It is interesting and amazing how large of a shift can really take place within ones own free will perspective!

Oblivious to oblivion, this is the God condition once realized, and it is HUMOROUS! You must "grok" that..!

Its like "peek-a-boo" except the hands just got "stuck" in the "up" position

Thank you illusion of creation, for making us real as the good sons of God all creation has been waiting (groaning) in travail to be revealed and made known (realized by God in man with man in God).

God Bless! (however unneccessary the sentiment within the contextual frame of reference I've been using here, just being playful nothing more)

Perhaps unnecessary, perhaps necessary.. To choose to say such words to another and yourself, instead of the myriad of other choices, is nice and kind if based in Love. and i have no doubt that it is! The thread is fun, either way Despite your obvious prejudice towards cookies

I do believe the vortex-based orbits are tightening Then again "i do not know of that which i speak"

Here is an enigma to ponder, for a time, and times, and half a time...

To approach the speed of light and cross the thresh-hold, an object, or particle would gain mass? And all time appeared to stop as being "eternal?" So that on that scale, it would seem as a sun?

Perhaps to surpass this barrier, things would appear as if at the level of the atom?

Can you see the inference? To Be or Not To Be, to think it is to do it, the faith of even a mustard seed...you can see where this is headed?

Could it be so simple? If it is, how can we prove it? Is the capacity of "leaping of faith" have everything to do with it?

If this is so, then what we "think," what we "do," and what we "are" has direct influence and effect on scales we never thought possible? How can "we know" this information? Quantum Entanglement? If so, then "Light" is the answer all along. Literal, Parable, Taken Literally, unravels the "enigma?"

Does this have any effect? Using logical words for a quantum thought? Where is the origin?

Ponder this for a time, times, and half a time...and you'll have the answer.

reply to post by sinohptik


insert "fractional portion" as "nothingness" and the equation balances...

reply to post by trekwebmaster


Another conceptualization is if you just look at your arm and "think" about it moving, it will not go anywhere. To move your arm, one needs to actually move ones arm. Though, it still is a result of neurons firing. I think on some older post on this board, i also equated destroying "the box" of ones perception and belief entirely to the "leap of faith." At least once, to truly know where ones perspective truly stands.

You also say "equation." Do you have Maths to show?

reply to post by sinohptik

Intuition would "whisper" use the golden-ratio for a "scale" then apply where it seems logical.
1000/33= 33.33333333333333 etc
Fibonacci Sequences...
Don't think of "Zero" as 0, but instead use it as a "golden-knot."
-987654321"."123456789+ each sides are "infinite," right? so the "fractional portions" would logically be the "operators?"
PHI
1.16385980883022303140646335912608

reply to post by NewAgeMan


I humbly suggest that we have not even grasped 1% of how reality "works". QM is just a theory.