BREAKING Gabrielle Giffords Shot: Congresswoman Reportedly Shot In Arizona [UPDATED]

A girl mentioned he had alcohol poisoning in high school. And it seems she indicated that his personality changed after that.

Can alcohol poisoning cause permanent brain damage/defect?

He wouldn't be the first person who's personality was altered following some kind of head trauma (or brain damage/defect from drugs/alcohol).

It could be that simple (which - of course - is not really simple).

So this guy was already processed and noted by a military test.

But the blame is going to conspiracy theorists?

The guy was already on the map, and probably confirmed to be unstable, by an active well funded wing of the government bureaucracy.

Shouldn't THAT be a focus?

If he'd be tagged already, why wasn't that information forwarded to the local mental health group? To his GP?

I'm sure there are reasons. However, on a forum people are just guessing that someone is not screwed together right and can't do anything about it. An actual test was administered to him in person, and it probably tagged him as being unstable in some way. and he isn't the first person to have been tagged as having a screw loose when going in.

That speaks of a bureuacracy problem. The left hand isn't speaking to the right hand.

All of this attention while hundreds of Middle Easterners are killed without regret...


Pathetic population.

This is obviously an action of TPTB. They need a way to take away your guns, and now they have it. They did it too, that's probably some innocent young guy. MSM is already spinning this into a large scale 9/11 Oklahoma City tragedy. Lock and load, people, they're coming after us now.

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Originally posted by LooseLipsSinkShips

Originally posted by Aeons
Seriously? You guys are going to make a big deal about people having middle names. Most of the population has a middle name.

You use a middle name in the press and justice because that is your legal name, and your first and last name are shared by a number of other people. A middle name and a local might help eliminate you being mixed up with some crack pot.

Uh...save for the fact that the shooter addressed himself using a middle name in his YouTube videos.

And that means what exactly? This isn't uncommon in some groups. There is still a group of people that when I run into them they call me by my first and middle name. I know several people who go by their first and second name.

Someone in the throws of an identity problem may indeed seek to increase the self-perception of who they are by giving themselves more names to suggest their increased individuality, and also solidify how they are different than the norm.

Oh...and the three name thing people. The theory isn't THREE NAMES as identification. It is three FIRST NAMES as a full name.

If you're gonna go all ridiculous, try and at least know the ridiculious thing you are promoting first.

Originally posted by LooseLipsSinkShips

Originally posted by dreamseeker
"The population of dreamers in the United States of Ameria is less than 5%" Jared Laughner from his you tube channel.
This quote strikes me as I believe it could be true. In fact many things he said in his videos are true. We are all basically sleepwalking at this point. Many of us maybe not on here are complactant and just live as if we are not aware of our own demise. I don't really think he is insane or even that his thoughts are wrong.
I agree with him on many of his points I just don't agree with his methods.

What is interesting is his mentioning of "Conscience Dreaming." Anyone have any further info on that? It sounds like something that consumed him.

Yeah - it's called hallucinating.

Originally posted by Aeons
If he'd be tagged already, why wasn't that information forwarded to the local mental health group? To his GP?

We really don't know that he wasn't. Or that he doesn't have a history of mental treatment.

That may still come out.

stock your pantries boys and girls, this will be yet another catalyst is their attempt to take our guns and ammo away.

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by old_god

 

There is nothing really special about this guy. The only special thing everyone react to, is that he killed a bunch of people yesturday. No one cared much about this guy before he did that. Not even his own community or the American society.

Restricting the use of the Internet because of what this guy did. Will not cure any of the others that are already just like him.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

Exactly. The sad truth is that if that guy didn't' do that, probably nobody would ever pay attention to that poor soul, nobody would care... Now everybody is obsessed what was in this guy's mind! Everybody act like they know him. If he was left-wing or right wing... He is just an object. It seems that his deeply disturbed mind is paradigm of schizophrenic world we live in. Two of his favorite books are Mein Kampf and Communist Manifesto, ironic isn't it?

This is a truely regrettable moment in history. This is what is to be expected tho, especially in Arizona, and in a district where Sarah Palin placed in crosshairs and Sharon Angel suggested using "Second Amendment Remedies!"

Originally posted by MisterCrowley
Jarred will be in court in one hour on TV 11am eastern... I kind of got an idea what his bail will be..

Bail? This guy is completely insane. He will be locked in a high security mental institution for the rest of his existence. I know insanity is a hard case to win... but this guy... Well, let's just say he doesn't even need a lawyer.

edit: btw, I know you're joking... Seems like you think he will be locked up in prison though, so I wanted to comment.

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I am sure there will be more information coming. Was there a second shooter? However, note that the Federal judge who was murdered, was the target of hate radio. Those who incite the unbalanced, are guilty of murder, and should be tried as such.

just been through all of jarreds youtube vids first impresssion he's a nut job .. after reading some of his statements he's a nutjob with an agenda ... then suddenly click he's a blackflag mindcontrol subject

the media are painting this guy as a disgruntled patriot like there all reading from a script! and already giving the impression gun control laws are going to be reviewed.

this whole show stinks to high heaven i smell some more loss of freedom

allso in some of his vids theres a bunch of code so somone ought to whizz through that

rumours going round he's a commie plant too ..

heard he spent some time in the us military too (unconfirmed)

There is often a suggested "second shooter."

Basing one's assumption of a second shooter on eye witness accounts of someone running away is silly.

Someone running away could very easily just be someone with an excellent sense of self-preservation.

Man some of you lot need help

Someone gunned down a bunch of people and your reaction is to get nervous about your guns...pathetic

listen, JFK got guned down and that didn't happen.

I am a progressive and I don't see this as a reflection on responsible gun use, I see this as a reflection of crazy

Don't worry, they aren't coming for your guns..now, they may be coming for some of you..but your guns will be safe

Originally posted by old_god
A good post here relating to this:

The Censorship of Madmen

FreeRepublic.com, blog written by: 2ndDivisionVet, The Censorship of Madmen

You can’t put a paranoid lunatic like Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter, anywhere on the Left or Right of our political spectrum.

Comment by: VeniVidiVici, posted on Sunday, 9 January 2011 7:15:15 PM, attached to the above blog

Some rantings of Loughlin on abovetopsecret.com. To their credit they are keeping them intact for investigators

we can't say "The government should stay out of people's lives", and then also say"somebody should have been watching that loon!" you can't have it both ways

reply to post by spy66

...We call people like him Wackos. But do we do anything about it? No.

But we might be able to shoot them at some point, if we catch them in a criminal act. That makes people happy....

First always remember the enemy is NOT the left and it is NOT the right it is the elite who manipulate both to divide and conquer ordinary people.

When I was a kid, people like this shooter were rounded up and given help. Then it was decided that rounding them up was an infringement on their rights. So instead of Society taking care of these people we now have them out in "Society" many as homeless street people.

...Mental healthcare experienced a revolution at the mid-point of the twentieth century with the availability of the first anti-psychotic medications. For the first time, schizophrenic patients could experience partial symptom relief rather than simply being restrained or tranquilized. In this heady environment, a social movement came into being with the goal of deinstitutionalizing the mentally ill. This movement found expression in critical state and federal supreme court decisions supporting patient rights. Numerous state hospitals were shut down as a result, and previously institutionalized patients were released to live in society.... www.mentalhelp.net...

People are now clamoring to get rid of guns but completely ignore the fact we turned the people who are mentally imbalanced loose in society. It takes a human hand to make that gun work and the US government has made sure their are lots and lots of mentally imbalanced hands.

If you look at the GRAPH of number of inmates /population you can see the RATE of incarceration in the USA started rising in 1970 and skyrocketed by 1980.

This was not the only change in American society made in the seventies. Desegregation busing was also started in the seventies and allowed young drug pushers access to all schools systems. I was in school at that time and saw it happen. My school went from very few drugs in high school (none in grade or junior high) to drugs in grade school within a couple of years. Friends of mine complained about their seven and eight year old sibs getting hooked.

Do not think this ripping apart of society was not preplanned. People without a community support system are much more vulnerable.

' The Socialist Revolution in the US cannot take place because there are too many small independent farmers there. Those people are the stability factor. We here in Russia must hurry while our government is stupid enough to not encourage and support the independent farmership.' V. Lenin, the founder of the Russian Revolution

And WHO funded the Russian Revolution ? Why the CENTRAL BANKERS!

Meanwhile they were also busy at work here in the USA.

...the Committee for Economic Development, was officially established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations....

In a number of reports written over a few decades, CED recommended that farming resources "that is, farmers“ be reduced. In its 1945 report "Agriculture in an Expanding Economy", CED complained that "the excess of human resources engaged in agriculture is probably the most important single factor in the 'farm problem’" and describes how agricultural production can be better organized to fit to business needs...

Some of the report’s authors would go on to work in government to implement CED’s policy recommendations....

CED members were influential in business, government, and agricultural colleges, and their outlook shaped both governmental policies and what farmers were taught. Farmers found themselves encouraged to give up on a farming system that employed minimal outsourced inputs and capital and get "efficient" by adopting instead a system that required they go into debt in order to purchase ever more costly inputs, like fossil-fuel based fertilizers, chemicals, seeds, feed grain, and machinery....

Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn’t help but congratulate itself...

The human cost of CED’s plans were exacting and enormous.

CED’s plans resulted in widespread social upheaval throughout rural America, ripping apart the fabric of its society destroying its local economies. They also resulted in a massive migration to larger cities. The loss of a farm also means the loss of identity, and many farmers’ lives ended in suicide... farmwars.info...

I have witnessed the disintegration of American Society and the increase in crime that resulted. Heck we do not even HAVE an American Society any more because being an American is bashed and celebrating your ethnicity is praised. Again this is a known method of destroying a country.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I am a progressive and I don't see this as a reflection on responsible gun use, I see this as a reflection of crazy

Don't worry, they aren't coming for your guns..now, they may be coming for some of you..but your guns will be safe

Correct!

Actually - Arizona just got more gun freedom - - not less.