BREAKING Gabrielle Giffords Shot: Congresswoman Reportedly Shot In Arizona [UPDATED]

Originally posted by dragonseeker

I've yet to see any of the people you mentioned incite people to violence like those on the right do, so, although the left/right paradigm is just a show, there ARE differences.

I agree. I am still a registered Republican* - - only because I've had trouble changing my affiliation on line to - - no party.

12 years ago I belonged to a "no-holds barred" political discussion board. I went in as a Republican. I left supporting the other side.

It was horrendous and truly an eye opener to the "hammering abuse" - aggressive tactics - - the Right employed.

* I want to make it clear - - not all Republicans are of the "Right Extreme". The party has honestly been hijacked by the Christian Right - - with the help of the media.

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Besides that - - - - I think this kid was of his own mind and agenda (unbalanced as it is). I do not affiliate him with any belief - - other then his own.

At the shot congresswoman's YouTube, she has a subscription to her own shooters webpage. Why?

Gifford's YouTube, subscriptions in bottom left corner:

www.youtube.com...

The last visit date is 10 hours ago - AFTER she was shot. So this is probably her husband or staffers logging in. However, this image:

img717.imageshack.us...

retrieved from ImageShack, shows she last logged in two days ago - that is, BEFORE she was shot. So the subscription to her shooter's YouTube page was made BEFORE she was shot. Either she, a staffer or a hacker went into her channel two days ago and subscribed to her eventual attacker.

There could be a HUGE smoking gun here.

reply to post by ckstarling


Mental help or a institution is not always the best problem solver. These places are more like a storage place, where you storaway your problems. What this guy really needed was some proper friends to share his views with. That is what common people within a community should do.

People within a community should take responsibility for keeping their community healthy, because it is the people within the community who sees problems like this long before the system does.

Originally posted by logicalthinking
Well here is an interesting article on the second suspect

www.infowars.com...

Infowars - - - is an interesting read.

But - honestly - hardly a credible source for anything.

Yes this is quite bizarre isn't it?

Originally posted by ericsnow
I don't know if this has been posted yet but check out Giffords' official youtube channel subscriptions WTF?

www.youtube.com...

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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by logicalthinking
Well here is an interesting article on the second suspect

www.infowars.com...

Infowars - - - is an interesting read.

But - honestly - hardly a credible source for anything.

Haha good one. Infowars is the must trustworthy news source in the world. Serious.

reply to post by Annee


Everyone has a right to read what they want, but yes, sometimes they go a little over board over there at infowars.

Originally posted by micpsi
At the shot congresswoman's YouTube, she has a subscription to her own shooters webpage. Why?

Gifford's YouTube, subscriptions in bottom left corner:

www.youtube.com...

The last visit date is 10 hours ago - AFTER she was shot. So this is probably her husband or staffers logging in. However, this image:

img717.imageshack.us...

retrieved from ImageShack, shows she last logged in two days ago - that is, BEFORE she was shot. So the subscription to her shooter's YouTube page was made BEFORE she was shot. Either she, a staffer or a hacker went into her channel two days ago and subscribed to her eventual attacker.

There could be a HUGE smoking gun here.

How did you get that screenshot from image shack? Is it reliable? If so this is the smoking gun.

Originally posted by logicalthinking
reply to post by Annee

 

Everyone has a right to read what they want, but yes, sometimes they go a little over board over there at infowars.

Oh - - I've been following C2C and all their regulars for years.

Yes - - I find it very interesting. Just - - too many Conspiracy enthusiasts - - lack filters.

WTF! On December 2nd Griffords' youtube page WAS NOT subscribed to Jared Loughner's. So sometime between December 3rd and the beginning of Janaury she decided to subscribe to him.

www.youtube.com...&cd=1&hl=en &ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">webcache.googleusercontent.com...:LpBmYniaOpcJ:www.youtube.com/user/giffords2+www.youtube.com...&cd=1&hl=en &ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by ckstarling

 

Mental help or a institution is not always the best problem solver. These places are more like a storage place, where you storaway your problems. What this guy really needed was some proper friends to share his views with. That is what common people within a community should do.

People within a community should take responsibility for keeping their community healthy, because it is the people within the community who sees problems like this long before the system does.

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That's what I'm talking about. People who went to college with him and no doubt saw these things, etc. And the people at MEPS are not necessarily "highers-up" -- They are community members. College professors/administrators/counselors/whatnot (i.e. the people at PCC where he went) ARE members of the community, are they not? I don't by any means advocate putting people in institutions at the slightest sign of mental illness. But perhaps a visit with a college health center professional would have allowed him to "share his views," as you say and get things off of his chest.

He had an account here "Erad3" which, as hotbakedtater pointed out in another thread reads "triple dare" backwards and is also similar to his name minus a J. The folks over at Reddit noticed we figured this out and they have our backs - www.reddit.com... - the replies to most of his threads were telling him to get help.

We are in for a veritable crapstorm here guys, only minutes before MSM gets a hold of this information.

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by ckstarling

 

What this guy really needed was some proper friends to share his views with. That is what common people within a community should do.

Secondarily, I couldn't agree with you more about the necessity of community on every level. But it should be noted that some people resist community, even if it is offered/present/accessible. There will be loners regardless.

Yep...it was a lone gunman!

If I had a nickle for every time i heard that one..

Or "it was a random act".

But the one you have to worry about is.."it was a conspiracy theorist".

They want people to think it was a conspiracy theorist or someone who visited ATS so they can make people think that all "conspiracy theorists" are nuts or crazy to the point to where they go and kill someone so they can call them a terrorist thereby making all "conspiracy theorists" terrorists so they can take away our freedom of speech online or anywhere for fear of being called a terrorist and going to jail.Then they can use it to enforce martial law by using the excuse that we need the army to help prevent these things from happening.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by ckstarling

 

Mental help or a institution is not always the best problem solver. These places are more like a storage place, where you storaway your problems. What this guy really needed was some proper friends to share his views with. That is what common people within a community should do.

People within a community should take responsibility for keeping their community healthy, because it is the people within the community who sees problems like this long before the system does.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

Reality is that often times the only person who gives respite or refuge to people like Jared (with problems), is someone with an agenda of their own; someone with ideas of how to use the troubled youth to some advantage of their own. Jared probably gravitated to a person or group who made him feel accepted,. Unfortunately that person or group took advantage of his weaknesses and steered him into something horrible.

There is still conflicting reports as to whether the congresswoman survived.

Authorities would certainly lie if they thought it might get them more information.

So...is she alive or dead?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


Sorry not a Mason plot I checked with my worshipful master... : )

An interesting article by George Packer on the shooting, FWIW:

It Doesn't Matter Why He Did It

reply to post by BenIndaSun


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I realize you don't know me, BUT....are you serious? No, it's the linking of tragedies...and a big reminder of the loss of innocence in this country. I grew up in a "simpler time". During my childhood, we had neighbors, we had communities---no one locked their doors, etc. For the most part, violence was limited to big cities.
What the word "America" has always meant to me, took a rapidly-escalating nosedive since 9/11. I hope my few words have helped clarify what I was feeling...

Originally posted by ericsnow
WTF! On December 2nd Griffords' youtube page WAS NOT subscribed to Jared Loughner's. So sometime between December 3rd and the beginning of Janaury she decided to subscribe to him.

Actually, public figures will subscribe to someone if that person first subscribes to them. I've seen writers do that... they assume that anyone who 'friends' them on a public page is interested in their books an so forth an will 'friend' them back and occasionally comment on them. I imagine that he was one of hundreds that she (or a staffer) went through and automatically friended.