What did the Catholic Church ever do to You?

Originally posted by Cosmic.Artifact

Originally posted by thirdeyeaware
reply to post by Cosmic.Artifact

 

Atheism is not a religion, no "faith" involved.

Its a state of mind. Maybe you should quit your atheist bashing and get your facts straight.

atheism is a system based in "belief" (if one believes in it that is their 'faith' in it) it is the deism of self and the most arrogant and ignorant of beliefs.

edit on 12/28/2010 by Cosmic.Artifact because: (no reason given)

This is one of those silly circular arguments often used by people who believe in religion. Atheism is the rejection of religion. So if rejection of religion is a religion, that is like saying not playing football is a sport or not bird watching is a hobby.

I went to a catholic school for 12 years, I have my reasons for disliking them, but i despite religion as a whole because I personally believe it has done more bad than good and the people who follow their religion are hypocrites.

reply to post by MrWendal


Is this what the religious people resort to when they hit a wall by someone stating the obvious?
If so, i think you just blew my mind. Makes alota sense

reply to post by oliveoil


I had a Jesuit Priest admit to me that there were some Jesuit Priests involved in Satanic worship when I questioned references to this effect that were stated in Stephen Greer's Hidden Truth book.

I personally have nothing against Catholics. I spent 8 days at a Catholic monastery hosted silent retreat in Lousiana and it was a very enlightening time. And I have read books by Thomas Merton and other Catholic Priests.

I was just sharing what was related to the topic at hand. There are plenty of non Catholic spiritual leaders that have been accused of doing the same things that some Catholic Priests have been accused of.

I would hope the readership at ATS would be open minded enough to consider that a few bad seeds don't define the whole apple.

reply to post by thirdeyeaware


Actually, to have a belief in a God is the most sane thing a human can do. It gives us hope, peace, and a sense of being.Without god everything is meaningless.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You are referring to Genesis 1:25-27 and Genesis 2:18-19.
Genesis 1 represents animals as existing before man (Gen: 24-26), yet Genesis 2 has Adam created before the animals are formed (19). The text of Genesis 2:19 merely suggests that the animals were formed before being brought to man; it says nothing about the relative origins of man and beast in terms of chronology. You are reading something into the text that simply is not there.

Noah's Ark: Again you are trying to anthropomorphise God by putting limitations on his abilities. It comes down to what you choose to believe. You either do not believe in God or the God you do believe in has limits and human attributes. This my friend is not The God of the Bible.

reply to post by oliveoil


I'm not religious, yet I am a nice, sane, healthy, honest, humble person.
I have my own goals in life, and do not plan on being a chaotic individual.
Your arguement does not apply to what in reality, is common sense.
Try again

= )

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by thirdeyeaware

 

Actually, to have a belief in a God is the most sane thing a human can do. It gives us hope, peace, and a sense of being.Without god everything is meaningless.

Believing in something completely void of evidence or facts just because it makes your brain feel better is pretty much the definition of delusional.

reply to post by c3hamby


Thank you. That is exactly the point. And this is stressed though out the scriptures. NO MAN IS WITHOUT SIN !. Catholic or not... Can I give you a star, and a million ATS points?.

Originally posted by oliveoil
Seriously, 99 % of all you posters out there seem to have beef with the catholic church. The Church Jesus Christ himself established. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM ? The Church has always been there though out the ages always giving and supporting people in need.You cant always turn toward your family but you can always count on the Catholic church. (hypocrites)

Mods, please post this where you seem fit. Thanks OO

edit on 27-12-2010 by oliveoil because: (no reason given)

When people say this, Athiests get the impression that Christianity is inherently violent. You are saying that Ya'hshuah founded the church that killed millions of people, he did no such thing. Besides, the Roman Catholic Church only has 1/5th of the claim to apostolic succession. If anyone has apostolic succession it's the Orthodox Church and even they have problems (iconography is a bigger problem with Orthodox than RCC actually). I'm an ex- Roman Catholic and believe me, I'm entirely fair to the people. I don't believe that they're going to Sheol or the lake of fire for praying to Mary and the saints to pray for us, I just think it's totally unnecessary when you can pray to Ya'hshuah (our only real intercessor). Most Catholics, American atleast, don't glorify Mary as much as old Catholics did. Infact, my old church had the shrine to Mary outside and nobody bothered with it. Most Catholics aren't even aware that the Vatican declared Mary to be a co-redeemer with Christ (this is real blasphemy) and don't believe the Pope is an infallible mouthpiece of God (that Pope is going to the Lake of Fire if he didn't have an epiphany and repent for that load of crap). I don't think your typical priest molests children, infact I've met some wonderful Priests in my time.

The Vatican, however, is evil, pagan, and blasphemous and I'm almost certain they are all of these things deliberately. I mean they have an Egyptian phallic obelisk in the center of the Vatican! They built the Vatican on the same hill that the fortune tellers and mediums used to gather! They've murdered millions of people, banned the word of God, used extortion and guilt to build their horrendous treasury, and left real Christians with a legacy of murder and child abuse to apologize for and distance ourselves from.

The Roman Catholic Church is not Christian and I urge you to come out from beneath her lest you come under the plagues that shall befall her in the latter days.

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Would you like me to start quoting history? lol

Whatever it takes. His precise question was this:

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by sadwolf

 

Your gonna have to do better than that, perhaps some proof !!! reason and logic would be feasible, In other words BACK UP YOUR CLAIM!!

How about you back up your claim that the Catholic Churth was founded by JC?

So then, if you think you can produce the history to back that statement up, have at it. Answering a legitimate question with another misleading question is not answering at all. I'm still early in the thread, and hope I run across your answer ere long. This I have to see - what it is that can be twisted up to try forcing those connections. Probably like the Baptists - I once had a discussion with one of those who claimed the sect had a lineage all the way back to John, which of course would make them the 'original' Catholics, eh?

reply to post by oliveoil


No being ever concieved is without sin.
No being is perfect.
What's your point?
Oh, i get it. Sin = Proof that you need to believe in christ. Right?

Originally posted by Evil3unnie
reply to post by EricD

 

Sure I would be more than happy to but I have a feeling you are not interested enough to actually go out and do the research yourself. I hope this helps you with your journey. I am sure this will be more than enough to get you started.

Thank you. I appreciate the sources. Actually, I did try to go out and do the research myself. Starting with one of your first claims that the Catholic Church outlawed the possession of the (Catholic I'm assuming?) Bible. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find any sources that substantiated that claim.

I'd be happy to look into the books you suggested if you can let me know which one(s) specifically addressed this.

Thanks,

Eric

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by Hefficide

 

Hi Heff, If your gonna destroy my thread with all that insignificant Mumbo jumbo, at least give me a star for effort..lol
On a serious note this is all isolated individual instances. Not the church as a whole.

edit on 27-12-2010 by oliveoil because: (no reason given)

Perhaps you'd like to clarify the distinction you are making here?

reply to post by Sinnthia


Actually sinnthia,it is proven that it is beneficial to ones existence to believe in a higher power.

reply to post by EricD

Apparently, you've never seen Catholic Cardinals. Purple is the distinction of royalty. When established, the king had dominion over secular matters, and the Pope was given dominion over spiritual matters. By royal decree.

As for the City on Seven Hills, Rome has that unique distinction, and has through all history, ESPECIALLY during the time John was writing the Book of Revelations.

The technical distinction between hills and mountains here is not to be discerned. When Abraham was to sacrifice his son, he was to do so on a mountain. Now when you look at that mountain today, some call it a hill.

This is what I've always heard about. Those who have ears but cannot hear, eyes but cannot see.

Whatever.

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

Actually sinnthia,it is proven that it is beneficial to ones existence to believe in a higher power.

Proof please!

Originally posted by oliveoil
The Church Jesus Christ himself established.

This modern day catholic church is nothing like what Jesus had intended....for his 'church'.

Originally posted by oliveoil
reply to post by Hefficide

 

On a serious note this is all isolated individual instances. Not the church as a whole.

I'm honestly curious here. What is it that you think makes up "the church as a whole"? Is it not all the individual parts that comprise it, just as a body is made up of it's individual members? I only ask because I've seen you repeatedly try to shoot down specific examples of gripes by saying, in effect "those are just specific examples of gripes".

What are you looking for then? More generalized example of gripes?

reply to post by wcitizen


I could go down the list to rebuttal Heffs post however, I feel that would be off topic.