God uses a spacecraft to transport himself and "angels" (The Bible)

I believe that sin originally meant genetic defect and Gabrielle and Micheal were starship fleets.

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by freedish
God is not confined to space and time, He created it

Do you have any proof of this claim, what-so-ever? I would be willing to bet that you don't. There are literally dozens, if not, hundreds of interpretations of the bible. The interpretations in this thread are but one.

Exactly. Who were those in biblical times that flew as clouds and doves in the sky? Who were those that were flying around in their "rolls", chariots and pillars?

Sorry, freedish, but the "gods" and angels of the biblical times were flying around in physical craft that emitted light, smoke, and fire, just as many of our currently flying craft do.

The first verse in the bible, God created light. Light is what we use to measure time. Therefor He created time.

If you want real answers open the Bible. There is life in it.

Originally posted by freedish

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by freedish
God is not confined to space and time, He created it

Do you have any proof of this claim, what-so-ever? I would be willing to bet that you don't. There are literally dozens, if not, hundreds of interpretations of the bible. The interpretations in this thread are but one.

Exactly. Who were those in biblical times that flew as clouds and doves in the sky? Who were those that were flying around in their "rolls", chariots and pillars?

Sorry, freedish, but the "gods" and angels of the biblical times were flying around in physical craft that emitted light, smoke, and fire, just as many of our currently flying craft do.

The first verse in the bible, God created light. Light is what we use to measure time. Therefor He created time.

If you want real answers open the Bible. There is life in it.

The bible is full of coded messages.

Originally posted by HazyChestNutz

Originally posted by freedish

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by freedish
God is not confined to space and time, He created it

Do you have any proof of this claim, what-so-ever? I would be willing to bet that you don't. There are literally dozens, if not, hundreds of interpretations of the bible. The interpretations in this thread are but one.

Exactly. Who were those in biblical times that flew as clouds and doves in the sky? Who were those that were flying around in their "rolls", chariots and pillars?

Sorry, freedish, but the "gods" and angels of the biblical times were flying around in physical craft that emitted light, smoke, and fire, just as many of our currently flying craft do.

The first verse in the bible, God created light. Light is what we use to measure time. Therefor He created time.

If you want real answers open the Bible. There is life in it.

The bible is full of coded messages.

Right, and if you believe Jesus is the Son of God and died for you then you have the Holy Spirit inside of you to interpret those messages.

The radiant white mother ship is probably a chariot of God. The ufo orbs are probably the angels. When you get get crop sprayed by Manna (candy floss like stuff) it is probably straight from the Bible.

Originally posted by freedish
The first verse in the bible, God created light. Light is what we use to measure time. Therefor He created time.

Actually, that's the 3rd verse. Genesis also says that "god" made light for night, but it's not really a light, is it? It's called the moon and it emits no light. This is what we call a generic generalization. When interpreting the bible, you must sift through generalities to try to understand what the bible is really saying.

For instance, the verse I posted where Zechariah was watching a flying roll. It wasn't a real roll flying through the air. It was some sort of physical craft and he was describing it the best he could with the vocabulary they had back in those days.

Originally posted by freedish
If you want real answers open the Bible. There is life in it.

The bible was open and I gave you real answers. I gave you real verses that described physical flying craft, yet you ignored them and instead posted a generic, pre-programmed response. Very typical and not surprising.

This is consistent with "The Ra Material":

www.lawofone.info...

whoops

Originally posted by HazyChestNutz

While up in God's cloud, Moses received instruction on how to construct the Ark of the Covenant, the Tabernacle, and how to offer sacrifices that will be "pleasing" to God. The Ark of the Covenant was a type of energy storage device that will be discussed in greater detail in a later article. Later, God once again descended in a cloud, this time he beamed down to speak with Moses "face to face."

How convenient, get the people to think you are a god and have them BBQ for you.
At least that's what I wondered when I wondered why god was so into flame broiled offerings, 'well done' of course.
I think the aliens were well fed.
(I am not totally not serious here)

Originally posted by kinkykoala
, it will all seem very practical when we actually get to learn more about it, and perhaps see it replayed.

It would blow my mind to see these ancient events caught on tape, or whatever medium these beings would have used to record moving images.
What if they (films) exist, we could see what really happened in parts of the bible.

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I don't understand the point of this thread...
If you are going to believe the bible is true, then you also believe God can do ANYTHING. If you believe that then why would God 'have' to use physical crafts to do His work? Even if he DID use a flying object to move around it doesn't mean He is confined to that...What is your point in thinking that God uses a space craft to fly around, even if it were true it doesn't change who God is...

As long as you believe that Jesus is God and He died for your sins...you are born again and that's what matters...

Vehicles don't automatically equal spacecraft.

People just assume things they don't understand. Vehicles could mean a number of things.

1. Earth, Hidden world
2. Time Travel
3. Space Travel, Interplanetary
4. Space Travel, Interstellar
5. Dimensional Travel
6. Hypercosmic Travel, Parallel Universes
7. Hypercosmic Travel, Level III-IV Universes
8. Projections, Simulation, i.e. Digital Universe
9. Projections, Telepathic
10. Projections, Psychokinetic

Originally posted by freedish
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I don't understand the point of this thread...
If you are going to believe the bible is true, then you also believe God can do ANYTHING. If you believe that then why would God 'have' to use physical crafts to do His work? Even if he DID use a flying object to move around it doesn't mean He is confined to that...What is your point in thinking that God uses a space craft to fly around, even if it were true it doesn't change who God is...

As long as you believe that Jesus is God and He died for your sins...you are born again and that's what matters...

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Is the bible not enough proof for you? Jesus isn't God. "God" gave you one life (60-100years) to live. You mess up, a forgiving loving god puts you into a fiery abyss.

Originally posted by freedish
I don't understand the point of this thread...

That's most unfortunate. The point is: "god" isn't an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, all-loving, all-forgiving, omnipotent being that created life, the universe, and everything. "God" was likely the leader of some advanced, intelligent race that flew around in physical crafts and created us in their image and likeness via genetics.

Noah's ark wasn't some huge wooden boat that floated on water. Do you people have any idea how massive a boat would have to be to carry several of every single plant, animal, and insect on earth? Not to mention the logistics of being able to contain animals and insects.

Noah's ark was likely a spacecraft with the DNA of every plant, animal and insect on board so that those life-forms could be recreated.

Originally posted by freedish
If you are going to believe the bible is true, then you also believe God can do ANYTHING.

That is absolutely false. The bible can be true, but it needs to be interpreted in a scientific and logical way so that it reads like it's supposed to.

Is it more logical to believe that "god" ascends and descends from the heavens in a horse-drawn chariot, or a spacecraft which is just called a chariot because they didn't have the vocabulary? And why is it called a fiery chariot? Why would "god" ride around in a horse-drawn chariot that is on fire? It's likely called a fiery chariot because the fiery part is describing the spacecraft's propulsion.

Same way "god" descended onto Mt. Sinai. He descended in his chariot with great smoke and fire and the mountain quaked. Would a horse-drawn chariot spew forth smoke and fire and make a mountain quake? Or would a large spacecraft spew smoke and fire and make the mountain quake?

Why would "god" tell Moses to keep people away from the mountain that people and animals would be killed for coming too close if it were just a horse-drawn chariot he descended in?

"God" descended onto Mt. Sinai in a massive physical spacecraft which spewed forth smoke and fire and surely did make the mountain quake. "God" told Moses to keep people away because of the massive heat and probable radiation caused by the ship's propulsion. And if anyone, whether it be animal or man, came too close, they would surely be killed.

The bible makes alot more sense when interpreted a certain way.

Originally posted by freedish
If you believe that then why would God 'have' to use physical crafts to do His work?

Because, as I've already said, "god" isn't an all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, all-loving, all-forgiving, omnipotent being that created life, the universe, and everything. "God" was likely the leader of some advanced, intelligent race that flew around in physical crafts and created us in their image and likeness via genetics.

Originally posted by freedish
Even if he DID use a flying object to move around it doesn't mean He is confined to that

Obviously it does, otherwise he wouldn't have used a physical craft to get around in at all.

Originally posted by freedish
What is your point in thinking that God uses a space craft to fly around

My point is, and the point of this thread is: "god" isn't who christians are brainwashed to believe he is. "God" is just another physical being who flies around in physical craft, who were intelligent enough to create us in their image and likeness. That is all.

Originally posted by freedish
even if it were true it doesn't change who God is...

Oh yes it most absolutely does. It is unfortunate that you do not see that.

Originally posted by freedish
As long as you believe that Jesus is God

Jesus is not "god". Although I do understand that some faiths believe as such. Jesus was 'god's" son. A hybrid of some sort. Mary was artificially inseminated and that's why she didn't have to conceive to get pregnant.

Originally posted by freedish
you are born again and that's what matters...

Sure wish I could be born again. There are some things I'd like to do over again.

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Dude. I think you missed my post. Here's a bit from The Ra Material:

Category: Earth History: Yahweh’s Efforts 24.7

Questioner: Did the Orion group use similar methods for their impression 3,600 years ago?

Ra: I am Ra. The group or empire had an emissary in your skies at that time.

Questioner: Can you describe that emissary?

Ra: I am Ra. This emissary was of your fiery nature which was hidden by the nature of cloud in the day. This was to obliterate the questions of those seeing such a vehicle and to make it consonant with these entities’ concept of what you may call the Creator.

Questioner: And then how was the information passed on to the entities after they saw this fiery cloud?

Ra: I am Ra. By thought transfer and by the causing of fiery phenomena and other events to appear as being miraculous through the use of thought-forms.

Bam!

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And here's a little more:

Questioner: Thank you. Then I assume that the Confederation stayed away from Earth for a period of time. What condition created the next contact that the Confederation made?

Ra: I am Ra. In approximately 3,600 of your years in the past, as you measure time, there was an influx of those of the Orion group, as you call them. Due to the increasing negative influences upon thinking and acting distortions, they were able to begin working with those whose impression from olden times, as you may say, was that they were special and different. An entity of the Confederation, many, many thousands of your years in the past, the one you may call “Yahweh,” had, by genetic cloning, set up these particular biases among these peoples who had come gradually to dwell in the vicinity of Egypt, as well as in many, many other places, by dispersion after the down-sinking of the land mass Mu. Here the Orion group found fertile soil in which to plant the seeds of negativity, these seeds, as always, being those of the elite, the different, those who manipulate or enslave others. The one known as Yahweh felt a great responsibility to these entities. However, the Orion group had been able to impress upon the peoples the name Yahweh as the one responsible for this elitism. Yahweh then was able to take what you would call stock of its vibratory patterns and became, in effect, a more eloquently effective sound vibration complex. In this complex the old Yahweh, now unnamed, but meaning “He comes,” began to send positively oriented philosophy. This was approximately, in your past, of 3,300 years. Thus, the intense portion of what has become known as Armageddon was joined.

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You can think what you want but the truth is that God loves you more than you could ever imagine and He's waiting for you to ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He wants an open heart and an open mind. He wants you to trust Him so you can grow into a relationship with Him. It's not easy being a Christian...a lot of times He asks me to do things that are way out of my comfort zone but when I trust Him I always end up better because of it. You have nothing to lose, just open your heart to Him and he will reveal Himself to you, He promises He will.

Originally posted by freedish
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You can think what you want but the truth is that God loves you more than you could ever imagine and He's waiting for you to ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He wants an open heart and an open mind. He wants you to trust Him so you can grow into a relationship with Him. It's not easy being a Christian...a lot of times He asks me to do things that are way out of my comfort zone but when I trust Him I always end up better because of it. You have nothing to lose, just open your heart to Him and he will reveal Himself to you, He promises He will.

You sir, have contacted a E.T. Please do tell me what he asked you to do that was out of your comfort zone.

I am astonished that no one has asked this yet, but...

What does God need with a starship?

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Listen - sometimes some of us just want to believe in what we believe in - I'm sure you know what that's like. Trying to convince or infringe on someone's belief? A lot of Christians are known for this.

But talking like you really know something when you're just pulling rhetoric from a book is counterproductive IMHO. There are so many things wrong with the bible - one of the most important being the fact that the book is 2nd and 3rd-hand information in the first place. This - is a pure fact.

Second - the book has been re-translated and even perhaps (very likely, if not so) lost in translation.

Third - Apostle Paul. Constantine. King James. If you do not know the deal with those three people, then you really do not know about your own religion. If you do, then your are in contradiction with yourself. Either way you are in contradiction.

You want us to accept your god? How about you try to open YOUR mind. Most of us who do not believe in your dogma have been exactly where you are right now - a Christian.

I have seen it before, I have been a part of it, and I will no doubt see it again.

Wake up. I challenge you to look outside your paradigm and get acquainted with other spiritual texts (some exist before your bible!) and even some after. I challenge you to challenge your own belief system - in the name of knowledge and the desire to actually learn something and not put your life into something just because it scares you into it.

Originally posted by impaired
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in the name of knowledge and the desire to actually learn something and not put your life into something just because it scares you into it.

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No one scared me or indoctrinated me into my beliefs. Sure I was raised in a Christian home but I have rebelled most of my life until I hit rock bottom when I dropped out of college. I have doubts like everyone...the difference is I have a very open mind about things...I asked God that if He was real He would reveal Himself to me somehow. Well that night I had the most spectacular dream about Jesus, and without going into too many details about it, it changed how I saw God. I thought God was a mean, stern, demanding God. He is the exact opposite. HE IS LOVE!

I have tried to view my beliefs from a different perspective, like I have also asked the question if Jesus was an alien...why does He kill 'innocent' people...why is there so much suffering...how could the Earth be created in 7 days...I take my questions to the Father and He reveals the truth to me in His word. EVERY TIME. Without fail. You might think i'm ignorant, that's fine. You might think I'm indoctrined. You can believe whatever you want. I know in my heart that God is the ultimate truth and I really don't care what anybody thinks. I have had too many personal experiences with God to change my beliefs.... Every time I get away from God He reels me back in with His love, I love Him back and I would never ever let Him go.

Sorry if you guys have had bad experiences with religion in the past, but the relationship I have with God is so personal that I don't see it as religion.

Can you hear His voice? He has been calling you for so long...He knew you before you were born. You can try to hide your sins from Him but He sees them. He just wants you to confess them to Him and accept Jesus into your heart. You will find as I have that God's love goes beyond human comprehension. I can't wait to be with Him in Heaven.

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When it refers to the spirit of god hovering above the waters, maybe it was just a boat hovering over the water. Alot of ships are called the spirit of something these days.